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@Flintknapper What bullet were you using in .223?
Many years ago the only legal option for deer during the Iowa gun season was smooth bore shotguns and slugs.
Exactly why do these restrictions exist in certain states?
I haven't asked "what's best", only about personal real-world experience that helps us form our strategy for success.
I was with a friend from Hawaii a few years back and witnessed her shoot a medium sized Whitetail buck at about 300 yards using a .270 Win. She was shooting a 130gr Barnes bullet and pulled the trigger right at the end of legal light. Another person with us thought she missed the buck entirely so probably wasn't that enthused when we looked for a blood trial in the dark. There was no blood trail to follow so we decided to come back out the following morning and found the buck about 100 yards from where he was shot. When we gutted him we found a big hole in the heart so she made a great shot. That same weekend I shot a big mule deer buck at 205 yards or so using my .375 H&H. He took half a step and dropped dead. When we gutted him he also had a big hole in the heart. Maybe this is confirmation bias but it left me thinking that I don't want an animal to run 100 yards or more, jump a fence onto private property, or fall into a coulee (that almost happened on a friend's elk hunt). This might be where my distrust of smaller calibers comes from. That said, I was with a friend a few weeks back and witnessed him shoot a big mule deer using a 6.5 Creedmoor. That animal didn't drop on the spot but went about 100 yards before expiring from a near perfect double lung shot. My lack of experience means a small data set, but having seen animals run, animals die virtually on the spot, entrance/exit wounds, holes in hearts and lungs, I have my own ideas about what I think gives me the best chance of success. Those ideas are constantly evolving with more real-world experience.
Safety, Shotguns and slugs and now straight wall cartridges have rainbow trajectories.Exactly why do these restrictions exist in certain states?
@Flintknapper What bullet were you using in .223?
I can't speak for other areas, but in Minnesota and Wisconsin, it was because the southern parts of the states are more populated, with any non-inhabited land in tillage.The wooded northern half of both states were rifle (as well as shotgun, pistol, and muzzleloader), and the southern half was Shotgun, pistol, and muzzleloader only because they had shorter ranges and errant bullets didn't go far. Then people (in WI, at least) started hunting with rifle-caliber pistols, (Contender, Witchita Silhouette, XP-100, Savage, etc.) and all the houses did not become Swiss cheese, so eventually after several years of hunters pushing for it in the local DNR meetings, rifle was made legal statewide. I do not know if Minnesota has done so, I haven't hunted there in over 30 years.Exactly why do these restrictions exist in certain states?
I can't speak for other areas, but in Minnesota and Wisconsin, it was because the southern parts of the states are more populated, with any non-inhabited land in tillage.The wooded northern half of both states were rifle (as well as shotgun, pistol, and muzzleloader), and the southern half was Shotgun, pistol, and muzzleloader only because they had shorter ranges and errant bullets didn't go far. Then people (in WI, at least) started hunting with rifle-caliber pistols, (Contender, Witchita Silhouette, XP-100, Savage, etc.) and all the houses did not become Swiss cheese, so eventually after several years of hunters pushing for it in the local DNR meetings, rifle was made legal statewide. I do not know if Minnesota has done so, I haven't hunted there in over 30 years.
See my post above to entropy.Safety, Shotguns and slugs and now straight wall cartridges have rainbow trajectories.
It is thought that bottleneck cartridges would pose too much of a danger in the more densely populated rural areas of the Midwest and Eastern States.
I did not say that I agreed with it just that it is the reasoning of the state.See my post above to entropy.
I haven't asked "what's best", only about personal real-world experience that helps us form our strategy for success.
I didn't mean it that you agree. I certainly don't, and I also believe it makes no sense regarding the other species you mentioned.I did not say that I agreed with it just that it is the reasoning of the state.
It makes no sense since there are no restrictions on rifles for coyote, Fox or anything else.
buck460XVR said:Oh, I dunno. When I read the title of this thread it says......."what's the best cartridge, bullet, optic for hunting this or that".
If you want peace, love, and harmony, macrame might be the ticket. ;p
So that's what you took away from the complete thread title and my first post, not just the snippet you posted above?
"So have you personally experienced a situation hunting in which you had reason to doubt or regret your choice of rifle, cartridge, bullet, optic, etc?"
Speaking of the Reasoning of The State.I did not say that I agreed with it just that it is the reasoning of the state.
Speaking of the Reasoning of The State.
You can't use a rifle to hunt deer in say .357 Magnum, .44 magnum, 10mm, .41 Magnum, .454 Casul, or .500 S&W...., in Zone B,...but in some counties in that zone you can use a handgun to hunt deer in any of those calibers. I should think that it less likely that a person with a long gun having a stock, and the longer sight plane, or a scope and a steadier position than a handgun, would be less apt to toss a round too high or such, and be "safer" (at least on paper) than a handgun.
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I would assume it has to do with the higher velocities produced by the longer barrels and thus more risk farther downrange than with a handgun.
I'll definitely try that if I hunt with the Garand again. Although, the peep is small enough that the surface tension of water is strong enought that water will fill the hole. Ultimately, what I really want to do is get the Ultimak rail (no permanent mods) and scout scope it or a red dot. The Garand is my favorite rifle to shoot. I'd definitely like to hunt with it again.Pinch the front and rear of the peep. The heat front your hand melts it, and it's silent.
Imagine that something like this would've happened after you've paid five figures for a once-in-a-lifetime -level hunt in Africa, saved for the trip for quite a while, taken the time off, made all the preparations, anticipated the trip for months or even years and so on. Been there, done that, paid my dues and eventually got the *HONK*ing scope to hold zero at a fixed magnification for the rest of the trip, with a screwdriver kit, superglue and one evening of tinkering instead of having a nice eland tenderloin steak dinner prepared for us by the outfitter.