Wolf SRM issue
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I ordered mine 11-08 from Wideners. Last ones I bought until after the crunch except for 2K federal SP at a gunshow before they all went sky high. Primers were still to much here at the last show, despite reports on THR about good prices in some parts of the country. I bought 1K CCI 41's anyway. Hopefully they will be down soon. If not, I'll be forced to buy online one of these days. I've tried to support the local guy who has been coming to shows here for years, but he is going to have to come down soon.
LiveLife
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Looks like our "objective investigation" is well underway.
These are what we have so far (feel free to chime in):
- Some Wolf .223, SRM and LRM primers have failed to ignite in some rifles
- The lot number under suspicion is 9-09
- Primer cups of some Wolf primers are harder
- Primer cups of newer lot numbers may be shorter in height
Based on the problems reported, I believe our next investigative objectives should be:
1. Identify if anyone experienced misfires with other lot numbers of Wolf rifle primers.
2. Those that have not experienced misfires with Wolf primers, were they 9-09 lot number or other lot numbers?
3. Identify which rifles experienced misfires with Wolf primers.
4. Identify which rifles did not experience misfires with Wolf primers.
5. Measure the heights of newer lot primer cups compared to older/other brand primer cups.
6. Measure the cup hardness compared to other brand primers.
These are what we have so far (feel free to chime in):
- Some Wolf .223, SRM and LRM primers have failed to ignite in some rifles
- The lot number under suspicion is 9-09
- Primer cups of some Wolf primers are harder
- Primer cups of newer lot numbers may be shorter in height
Based on the problems reported, I believe our next investigative objectives should be:
1. Identify if anyone experienced misfires with other lot numbers of Wolf rifle primers.
2. Those that have not experienced misfires with Wolf primers, were they 9-09 lot number or other lot numbers?
3. Identify which rifles experienced misfires with Wolf primers.
4. Identify which rifles did not experience misfires with Wolf primers.
5. Measure the heights of newer lot primer cups compared to older/other brand primer cups.
6. Measure the cup hardness compared to other brand primers.
LiveLife
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Take a trip to sunny California and buy some primers while you are visiting. I will cook up some of my favorite BBQ ribs for you.
I was quite surprised to see the price drop down to $21.95 for Winchester and $16.95 for Tula at the last gun show. The vendor I talked to said the lower pricing is based on new production wholesale costs. At the LGS retail level, prices are still high but the selection sure has improved. I think some retailers may be trying to sell off the old stock based on the higher wholesale costs they paid before dropping the price on new stock. BTW, my Tula ammo lot was 20-10.
My take is that middle level distributors/hoarders are no longer buying them by the pallets to put them in their garages/mega warehouses. With this "artificial" demand gone, I think we are returning back to more normal "supply and demand situation" and prices are stabilizing. If the word of $21.95/$16.95 for Winchester/Tula gets around, I am sure there may be some price adjustments, especially if the retailers paid the new lower wholesale prices.
LiveLife
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Great. kestak, with the combined THR reloading knowledge base, we should get to the bottom of the Wolf primer misfire issue. Anyone have primer misfires with lot number newer than 9-09?
So, can we start listing rifles that experienced misfires? If you can post whether the firing pin was left stock or modified, that would help.
Also, I have noticed that nickel/silver colored small pistol primer misfire issue has died down mostly as bronze/brass colored small pistol primer seem to be fine. Anyone experiencing misfires with bronze/brass colored Wolf small pistol primers?
So, can we start listing rifles that experienced misfires? If you can post whether the firing pin was left stock or modified, that would help.
Also, I have noticed that nickel/silver colored small pistol primer misfire issue has died down mostly as bronze/brass colored small pistol primer seem to be fine. Anyone experiencing misfires with bronze/brass colored Wolf small pistol primers?
Dynamite Rabbit
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I loaded my first .223 rounds yesterday with H335 and Wolf .223 primers, lot 9-09. Out of about 20 rounds I had one misfire in my stock AR -- three deep hits and no luck.
Pulled it down afterward, and found that the primer fired, but there was no burned powder. I could see the anvil marks inside the primer hole, so I'm quite sure the primer was seated. I don't believe the flash hole could have been plugged -- this is once-fired, processed LC brass, and I resized with the decapping pin in place. I have 4,000 more primers (hope I don't get too much practice clearing misfires!).
Pulled it down afterward, and found that the primer fired, but there was no burned powder. I could see the anvil marks inside the primer hole, so I'm quite sure the primer was seated. I don't believe the flash hole could have been plugged -- this is once-fired, processed LC brass, and I resized with the decapping pin in place. I have 4,000 more primers (hope I don't get too much practice clearing misfires!).
evan price
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I personally have had no problems with Wolf primers in any flavor, with the exception of ONE small pistol primer (of the older brass colored lots) which was missing an anvil. That could have been my fault, recycling a primer I had misfed in the press. I have used both the plated and unplated primers.
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