Woman charged with providing guns connected to New York Firefighter murders
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Tommygunn
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Charge her with conspiracy to commit murder, terrorist act, strawman sale, etc.
I have NO sympathy for her. None. Nada. ZIP. ZILTCH.
I have NO sympathy for her. None. Nada. ZIP. ZILTCH.
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Onmilo said:
NY has a 10 round magazine capacity limit that affects magazines made after 09-13-1994.
NY Penal Code 265.00
As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:
23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
NY Penal Code 265.02
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when:
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.
Ahhhh, I am probably safe in believing the numbskull only had 10 round magazines for the rifle so the reporters had to go after the permanently attached muzzle brake as the 'evil device'...
More proof that magazine restrictions on law abiding citizens does absolutely nothing to prevent murderers from murdering
More proof that magazine restrictions on law abiding citizens does absolutely nothing to prevent murderers from murdering
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Numerous firearms laws were violated in this transaction. Ie, we already had laws in place to prevent this.
But what will be the gungrabber's solution? More laws. Give me more laws, I tell you!
But what will be the gungrabber's solution? More laws. Give me more laws, I tell you!
22250Rem
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I'm sure he only had 10 round mags for that thing. I live about 10 miles from there and in all the news coverage, including all the local TV and radio, NOT ONE WORD has been said about high capacity magazines. If he had a high capacity magazine you KNOW that we'd all have been made aware of it many times over by now.
velobard
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Bushmaster is in for a rough time of it.
I use this sad fact in 2A discussions constantly. What is the magic number of laws that will suddenly make criminals obey the law? 10? 20? 1 million?
The answer is that anti-Constitutionalists don't know and they have no theories, but they have faith that the magic number exists! At some point in the far distant utopian future, the unknown, but surely real, number of laws will have been passed and criminals will suddenly, magically, begin to obey the law.
MachIVshooter
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Conspiracy? Terrorist Act??
That's the type of ridiculous emotional response we've come to expect from the other side. Clearly not exclusive to the anti gun crowd.........
She broke a federal firearms law and she will be charged for it, as she should. At this time, however, there is no evidence that she had prior knowledge of the actor's intentions, let alone that she voluntarily took part in the diabolical plan (which occurred more than 2 years after her unlawful purchase).
Fryerpower
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About two weeks ago they did the sentencing for a teacher in Huntsville, AL who has been convicted of straw purchases. She got two years of probation and six months of electronic monitoring.
I guess the moral of the story is it is ok to illegally purchase guns for someone to traffic them to Mexico as long as they don't use them to kill firemen.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/12/huntsville_elementary_school_t.html
-Jim
I guess the moral of the story is it is ok to illegally purchase guns for someone to traffic them to Mexico as long as they don't use them to kill firemen.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/12/huntsville_elementary_school_t.html
-Jim
Yepper.
Dumb is dumb.
She knew he was a felon and did what she did anyway.
Likely she profited as well since people do not tend to do things such as this "Out of the goodness of their hearts".
Prosecute her to the fullest extent of the Law IMHO
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I wonder if the rifles used in the connecticut shooting and this one were actually Bushmaster brand. I've heard several people in the media refer to these types of rifles as "the bushmaster". It seems odd with so many ar-15 manufacturers that these crazies are all choosing bushmaster.....
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MachIVShooter said:
OK, then charge her with the strawman purchase. It really doesn't matter if she had any prior knowledge of the ex-con's plans (even HE might not have known) but it remains illegal to buy guns for ex cons and what she did was clearly a STRAWMAN purchase.
I still have NO sympathy for her. Fry her butt in court!
I have no sympathy for the shooter but he offed himself so that's pointless.
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That's what I said. Did you actually read my reply?
Neither do I, but in this country, we still don't (knowingly) charge people with crimes they did not commit.
Trust me, if they can pin anything else on this woman, they will. But we have to stop short of making her a scapegoat for this man's actions just because we have no one else to lash out at over the heinous act. If it can be proved that she knew of his intentions prior and bought the weapons for him knowing what he was going to do, a conspiracy charge or felony murder charges are likely. I seriously doubt she had any such knowledge.
Arguing that she should have known he was likely to do such a thing because of his violent history makes the justice system equally culpable for releasing him back into society. Good luck making that argument.
It's unethical and generally unlawful to punish people for crimes that weren't theirs.
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I think one thing should be focused on and that is that the gal is (apparently) guilty of a straw purchase and to allow one's self to be led by the nose by the writer - as certainly intended - and view her as complicit in any degree of accomplice/conspiracy status when the transaction took place two years earlier is very short sighted.
Thanks to the OP for the posting - very interesting to dissect the many editorial tricks to turn one's mind in this one.
Thanks to the OP for the posting - very interesting to dissect the many editorial tricks to turn one's mind in this one.
ID-shooting
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If she is found guilty, having her day in court and jury decides it, she should get max penalty. Period.
They want us to be tougher on gun crimes, these are the ones we need to be tougher on.
If she is found guilty she part of the problem that give us legitimate gun owners black marks. The antis will lump the bad guys and good guys together.
We should be the first to call for a severe response within the limits of the Constitution.
They want us to be tougher on gun crimes, these are the ones we need to be tougher on.
If she is found guilty she part of the problem that give us legitimate gun owners black marks. The antis will lump the bad guys and good guys together.
We should be the first to call for a severe response within the limits of the Constitution.
Double Naught Spy
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Not unique to gungrabbers. During the church burnings and bombings in the 90s, Congress acted to put an end to such crimes by making it a federal crime to burn down or bomb churches. Never mind that arson and bombing were already illegal. BTW - Republicans voted for Title 18, U.S.C., Section 247 - Church Arson Prevention Act of 1996 as well as Democrats.
Thanks.
My point in this thread is that the media can't make headlines with the claim of high capacity so they begin to go after other evil features like a muzzle brake.
The shooter was noted as also being in possession of a shotgun and a .38 caliber revolver yet no mention is made that either of those weapons were used during the shooting.
Both of these weapons would likely contain no more than six shots each and were likely not used because he ended the event by terminating his own life once Police SWAT Officers began appearing on the scene.
The shooter followed common sense practices of utilizing cover and concealment and focusing on long range fire.
When he realized he wasn't going to win this battle, he checked out.
These are not the actions of a mentally ill individual but a skilled predator and murderer who decided that day was the day he was going to leave planet earth and he wasn't going to go alone.
My point in this thread is that the media can't make headlines with the claim of high capacity so they begin to go after other evil features like a muzzle brake.
The shooter was noted as also being in possession of a shotgun and a .38 caliber revolver yet no mention is made that either of those weapons were used during the shooting.
Both of these weapons would likely contain no more than six shots each and were likely not used because he ended the event by terminating his own life once Police SWAT Officers began appearing on the scene.
The shooter followed common sense practices of utilizing cover and concealment and focusing on long range fire.
When he realized he wasn't going to win this battle, he checked out.
These are not the actions of a mentally ill individual but a skilled predator and murderer who decided that day was the day he was going to leave planet earth and he wasn't going to go alone.
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