Wonder If This Walker is Real

[Gaucho Gringo]

I ran across this Walker on gunbroker. I wonder if it is a fake(probably is)? The way it is listed it doesn't give you much to go on. The seller only has 3 feedbacks. Just curious on others opinions. The auction is here
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=146917547

 

[Jim K]

Since a real Walker should bring bids in at least high five figures, I think a $2000 bid says something. There are a lot of things wrong, like the barrel to frame fit, plus handstamped "company" markings. It may be an old fake, or an aged modern repro, but I think I can safely say it was not made by Sam.

The seller uses the old "I don't know anything about it" routine to avoid being charged with fraud if he claims it is something it is not. Sure he found it in an attic; he doesn't say when he put it there.

So why would anyone bid at all? Hope springs eternal for some folks, and it is like buying a lottery ticket. They say to themselves "what if?" and decide to take a chance up to a point.

Jim

 

[w_houle]

Why does it look very nicely "Khyber Pass" like? In a word? No. There's room in someone's collection, but doubtful it'll go anywhere at that price.

 

[Nicodemus38]

in the photos the cylinder stop slots are ROUND, werent the walkers made with OVAL slots?
the fit between teh barrel and the frame is atrocious. It appears someone inserted a steel washer between the barrel and cylinder creating the gap.

the frame and recoil shield still has traces of brass plating on them. i dont recall if the original walker was brass plated or not. the only brass i can recall is on the trigger guard and back strap.

and i really cant recal seing the "serial number" on the side of the frame, only on the bottom in front of trigger guard.

teh wear pattern is extremely wrong from actual specimens ive drooled over in magazines and books. The rammer and loading lever show no wear whatsoever, the cylinder face has no wear whatsoever, teh pitting damage appears to be only on the top and sides of the barrel and frame. like someone forgot to turn it upside for the sandblasting.
it looks like a homebrew defarb using ammonia wiped on the surface for "patina"

 

[Nicodemus38]

i havent seen a kyber special of a walker or dragoon, but i have seen photos of kyber pass colt navies that had 50-60 grain chambers.

 

[BHP FAN]

Good call on the nice unworn rammer, Nic. I had to go back and look again!

 

[pohill]

This gun was discussed on the Voy forum today, too. One poster pointed out that the wedge has been inserted from the wrong side (and upside down). Also, look at the other guns the seller has listed - one is a Walker with lots of info.

 

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

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[madcratebuilder]

Sure he found it in an attic; he doesn't say when he put it there.

That's great Jim, had coffee out my nose

I messaged the guy asking for more photos and info, he could not or would not supply either.

It's obviously a fake, he should sell just for what it is. It is worth something as a mediocre counterfeit Walker. You ever wins that bid at 2K plus is going to be very unhappy.

 

[Tallship]

Yeah, it's an obvious fake, just compare the trigger guard with a real one.

 

[alemonkey]

I'm thinking it was carefully hand crafted by a guy named Achmed.

That barrel to frame fit is horrible.

 

[Onmilo]

Serious sellers of the remaining genuine 1847 Colt revolvers do not advertise the guns on GunBroker.com
Enough said.

 

[Snaggletooth]

Seems like I heard or read that Walker Cylinders were in the white when the pistol was issued.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

I guess the auctions outcome proves PT Barnum s famous saying. I never thought it would go that high. I thought the opening price was a reach. Somebody is very happy and somebody will be very sad. The tale of life.

 

[NCsmitty]

At least it doesn't say"made in Italy".



NCsmitty

 

[arcticap]

Rather than focusing on what it isn't, what's the answer to what it is?

Is it a pre-production prototype of an Italian replica? Or is it a one of kind U.S. produced prototype?
If we had an understanding of just how old it really is, that could lead to answering other questions, like what's the metalurgy?
The round cylinder stops look pretty unique, the trigger guard and grip frame look to be unconventional.
Maybe someone just tried to build their own replica operating from known blueprints or something like that?
It must have still taken a fair amount of talent and effort to build.
And from the look of the screws, it does look to be older than ~60+ years.
It doesn't look quite like a later production ASM, does it?

I'll upload the auction pictures for the purpose of future discussion since the auction link disappears after 90 days.

 

[Hellgate]

Maybe the cylinder bolt stop cutouts are round due to play in the cylinder causing the cuts to be peened out of round.
The grip doesn't quite look right though.

 

[alemonkey]

I don't know about the screws, I bought a fairly new Pietta 1851 that had screws buggered up about that bad. Some people just don't understand that you need the proper screwdriver to fit a certain screw.

One more "what it's not" observation. That case looks awfully new for a 150+ year old gun.

 

[scrat]

Well all i can say is.

MOUNT UP

GOTC GET A ROPE

 

[scrat]

This item has been Sold!


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Current Bid $3,525.00 No Reserve! Started at $1,200.00
Quantity 1 # of bids 11 Bid History
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unbelievable

 

[madcratebuilder]

$3500 bucks. I think some one is going to be upset when they open that package.

The round cylinder stops are unusual. It appears the front sight is not dove tailed so that rules out Uberti and 2nd/3rd gens.

 

[1KPerDay]

Wow. I think I just found my Walker in my friend's uncle's former roommate's attic also.

It's in much better shape... should be good for 7 grand, right?

 

[BHP FAN]

Man,I'm jealous...you've got a .31 Root's revolver!

 

[1KPerDay]

Yep... found it in my buddy's grandpappy's attic. Yours for the bargain price of $58,992.

 

[BHP FAN]

I could swap you a nice Lyman .36 Navy,with silvered square back trigger guard,steel frame. some very light surface rust and missing the front sight.said to be Billy The Kid's back up revolver...[I just said it,but I didn't say it was TRUE!]...