Not sure about Russia, but our M2 has been proven to be an effective sniper rifle. I think Hathcock's longest kill in Vietnam was with an M2 with a 10 power scope mounted on it.
But somehow I doubt your co-worker would know anything about that.
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Not sure about Russia, but our M2 has been proven to be an effective sniper rifle. I think Hathcock's longest kill in Vietnam was with an M2 with a 10 power scope mounted on it.
But somehow I doubt your co-worker would know anything about that.
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They aren't limited to civilians. When we were sending new soldiers home for Christmas last year, I spotted a kid's class As on a hanger in plastic as he was leaving, I grabbed one of the drills, who made him go back upstairs and remove the jump wings, the special forces, ranger, and airborne tabs, marksmanship bars for ten weapons, and a lot of other things that a PFC who has been in for 20 weeks cannot have.
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My friend had a coworker a couple years ago who:
Worked in the Navy special warfare division with the Seals as a comms specialist
Shot down a Hind D with a Barret 82 standing, shoulder fired
Worked for the CIA as an assassin.
Was once accidentaly blown up by a 500 lb bomb dropped on the wrong target by a Navy jet during a secret op.
Owned a coffee farm in Brazil
Had a PHD in advanced nuclear physics, one in chemistry, and a masters in business management.
Oh and he was only 27.
Worked in the Navy special warfare division with the Seals as a comms specialist
Shot down a Hind D with a Barret 82 standing, shoulder fired
Worked for the CIA as an assassin.
Was once accidentaly blown up by a 500 lb bomb dropped on the wrong target by a Navy jet during a secret op.
Owned a coffee farm in Brazil
Had a PHD in advanced nuclear physics, one in chemistry, and a masters in business management.
Oh and he was only 27.
qajaq59
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Oh, I remember him. He now works at the car wash on Main St.
Sorry about that. It was just too good to pass up.
C-grunt
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Yeah he would talk about how the CIA would sometimes pick him up after work (carsales manager) and ask him to take quick assignments over night. Thats why he would come to work the next day looking ragged and wearing the same outfit. It had nothing to do with him obviously being addicted to cocaine.
I just thought it was funny that in the middle of all his spec ops stories and CIA work, he had a coffee farm in Brazil. It made me laugh.
I just thought it was funny that in the middle of all his spec ops stories and CIA work, he had a coffee farm in Brazil. It made me laugh.
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Again I will never, NEVER understand how someone can be this dishonorable. How do these guys live with themselves? I think it would take a true sociopath to take any kind of pride in unearned accomplishments (or even other peoples' reactions to them.)
By the way, Admiral Boorda (who did commit suicide, though the exact reasons for it are unknown) WAS in fact definitely authorized to wear the Valor devices for his service in Vietnam. This was confirmed by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt and by the official Navy review board. More details here. It is said that the investigation of the validity of his service was an attempt by his rivals within the Navy's politics to try to undermine his record.
gregormeister
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I went to Port Hueneme CA. for training in 03, and while I was there another Marine and I went to a club. Later in the night a guy comes up and says "You Navy?" I say "no Marines" and he says "yeah we are too!" and I look over and see that his partner is a young guy of around 21 or 22.
So I say where you guys stationed and he says there in L.A. and there recruiters and that they are gunnies...I told them to take the first flight to F***Ville and when they got there to F*** themselves.Thwy took off pretty much right away.Me and my buddy joked that I (a 22 year old Corporal) had been disrespectfull to a 22 year old gunny....Oh well it happens..
So I say where you guys stationed and he says there in L.A. and there recruiters and that they are gunnies...I told them to take the first flight to F***Ville and when they got there to F*** themselves.Thwy took off pretty much right away.Me and my buddy joked that I (a 22 year old Corporal) had been disrespectfull to a 22 year old gunny....Oh well it happens..
"They aren't limited to civilians. When we were sending new soldiers home for Christmas last year, I spotted a kid's class As on a hanger in plastic as he was leaving, I grabbed one of the drills, who made him go back upstairs and remove the jump wings, the special forces, ranger, and airborne tabs, marksmanship bars for ten weapons, and a lot of other things that a PFC who has been in for 20 weeks cannot have."
I guess it may be different since I was in service in the late '60's but if I had been caught with stuff on my uniform that was not supposed to be there, I would not be going anywhere, but up on charges.
I guess it may be different since I was in service in the late '60's but if I had been caught with stuff on my uniform that was not supposed to be there, I would not be going anywhere, but up on charges.
mljdeckard
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Three days before Christmas, all they want to do is get people out the door. But yes, he might well be subject to UCMJ action. (I have no idea of the toll the drill took out of him in his room.)
I forgot about the guy in my guard unit who told a wild story about injuring his knee in Afghanistan in a helicopter accident, for which he was decorated and still recovering, (That's why he's overweight and on a permanent profile,) went to language school and had to leave early for a 'special assignment.' When I went to language school, I was working in the admin office, I saw his file. He injured himself trying to get on a helicopter he wasn't supposed to be on, and showed up for language school overweight and a PT failure, so they sent his broken butt home.
I forgot about the guy in my guard unit who told a wild story about injuring his knee in Afghanistan in a helicopter accident, for which he was decorated and still recovering, (That's why he's overweight and on a permanent profile,) went to language school and had to leave early for a 'special assignment.' When I went to language school, I was working in the admin office, I saw his file. He injured himself trying to get on a helicopter he wasn't supposed to be on, and showed up for language school overweight and a PT failure, so they sent his broken butt home.
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I see this kind of behavior numerous times here at A&M. We've got the Corps of cadets. I've got a lot to say about this group, but suffice to say, it is the biggest frat on campus. I guess it used to be something great once, but not anymore.
In any case, I was sitting in a freshman chemistry class, waiting for the prof to arrive, when from behind me I heard a glorifying tale from a freshman kid in the corps. He was hitting on a girl beside him (who didn't look all that bright either).
A girl next to me and I listened intently.
"Oh yeah, I'm just doing this CORPS bit until I get called up for some special spec-ops mission. This is like my cover, see? Like, yesterday we got to shoot M16s and I totally rocked. No one else knew how, but I picked it up and was dusting targets at, like, 100 yards and stuff. No sights either. That's why they wanted me."
Considering that I've seen the "m16s" they use (They are AR15s in A1 arrangement with a .22 rimfire upper), and also considering that they use the same range our pistol team uses (they were shooting at paper targets 10 feet away), I would call BS on this guy.
In any case, I was sitting in a freshman chemistry class, waiting for the prof to arrive, when from behind me I heard a glorifying tale from a freshman kid in the corps. He was hitting on a girl beside him (who didn't look all that bright either).
A girl next to me and I listened intently.
"Oh yeah, I'm just doing this CORPS bit until I get called up for some special spec-ops mission. This is like my cover, see? Like, yesterday we got to shoot M16s and I totally rocked. No one else knew how, but I picked it up and was dusting targets at, like, 100 yards and stuff. No sights either. That's why they wanted me."
Considering that I've seen the "m16s" they use (They are AR15s in A1 arrangement with a .22 rimfire upper), and also considering that they use the same range our pistol team uses (they were shooting at paper targets 10 feet away), I would call BS on this guy.
wheelgunslinger
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Treo,
I remember that poster you were talking about and how when he started talking about training operators he got called on the carpet. funny. I'd totally forgotten that.
My brother called me one day and told me about this new young dude at his job that claimed he had been a Marine sniper (why are they always marine snipers?).
He asked me for some questions to trip the guy up. So, I told him to ask the guy about bullet drop and how far he had to hold the crosshairs above target at 400m with his "personal barrett 50".
total deer in the headlights.
I remember that poster you were talking about and how when he started talking about training operators he got called on the carpet. funny. I'd totally forgotten that.
My brother called me one day and told me about this new young dude at his job that claimed he had been a Marine sniper (why are they always marine snipers?).
He asked me for some questions to trip the guy up. So, I told him to ask the guy about bullet drop and how far he had to hold the crosshairs above target at 400m with his "personal barrett 50".
total deer in the headlights.
Most combat veterans I've met, including my father and his friends, never have the need to discuss what they've seen, except maybe during closed gatherings.
Funny how I used to meet a lot of Green Berets, nowadays everyone's a SEAL. Plenty of Snipers walkin' and thumpin' chests too. Seems like our entire military is SOCOM, no wonder we contract with Halliburton to run the mess halls.
Funny how I used to meet a lot of Green Berets, nowadays everyone's a SEAL. Plenty of Snipers walkin' and thumpin' chests too. Seems like our entire military is SOCOM, no wonder we contract with Halliburton to run the mess halls.
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The thing about heroes is that they don't apply the term to themselves.
They view their actions as just doing their job. They don't distingiush their actions as being any different than those they serve with. They believe that anyone in their situation would have done the same thing and reacted in the same way.
They are reluctant to take accolades for their actions especially if it involved the taking of a life. Many of these guys carry a sense of guilt around with them for the rest of their lives after experiencing a kill. Some learn to live with it while others never quite get over it.
You can almost always tell the want to be's simply because they tell their (fake) stories with a gleam in their eye as if they are waiting for you to pat them on the back as they relate their imaginary exploits.
They view their actions as just doing their job. They don't distingiush their actions as being any different than those they serve with. They believe that anyone in their situation would have done the same thing and reacted in the same way.
They are reluctant to take accolades for their actions especially if it involved the taking of a life. Many of these guys carry a sense of guilt around with them for the rest of their lives after experiencing a kill. Some learn to live with it while others never quite get over it.
You can almost always tell the want to be's simply because they tell their (fake) stories with a gleam in their eye as if they are waiting for you to pat them on the back as they relate their imaginary exploits.
CH47gunner
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I have outed a couple of these guys over the years.
Just asked a few pertinent questions:
What Unit (company/battalion/regiment/brigade/division) were you with?
What year were you there?
Where were you stationed (Corps/basecamp/firebase)?
What weapons did you use?
What MOS were you trained as & what job did you do?
It's pretty easy to pick their stories apart if they don't add-up.
I don't get the wannabe vet or cop stuff. I see these guys, in my local gunstore & at the range, and wonder what's going on in their heads. There's something scary about someone who's fantasizing about that kind of stuff.
Bruce
Just asked a few pertinent questions:
What Unit (company/battalion/regiment/brigade/division) were you with?
What year were you there?
Where were you stationed (Corps/basecamp/firebase)?
What weapons did you use?
What MOS were you trained as & what job did you do?
It's pretty easy to pick their stories apart if they don't add-up.
I don't get the wannabe vet or cop stuff. I see these guys, in my local gunstore & at the range, and wonder what's going on in their heads. There's something scary about someone who's fantasizing about that kind of stuff.
Bruce
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I had a boss (service director at a car dealership) that claimed to be a SEAL back during Vietnam. Claimed he had a grenade accident & subsequently left the service. Curious about his "service" I inquired as to what team he was with, he said he was with Team 6...
Team 6 didn't officially exist until the early '80s last I knew so I did a little digging. One cannot become a SEAL (AFAIK) without completing BUD/S for which the completion is a matter of public record, verifiable thru Naval Bureau of Personel; which of course showed he didn't complete BUD/S. A little fact checking by Veri-SEAL http://veriseal.org/about.html as well & of course they outed him to me. Turns out he was in the Navy but not the SEALS. What a disgrace to the armed services...
Team 6 didn't officially exist until the early '80s last I knew so I did a little digging. One cannot become a SEAL (AFAIK) without completing BUD/S for which the completion is a matter of public record, verifiable thru Naval Bureau of Personel; which of course showed he didn't complete BUD/S. A little fact checking by Veri-SEAL http://veriseal.org/about.html as well & of course they outed him to me. Turns out he was in the Navy but not the SEALS. What a disgrace to the armed services...
We just lost a young SGT. this week in AFG., (Combat Eng Bn.) while doing a road clearing operation, They were attacked And even thought the attack was repulsed, this young man died with the medics. His body will be home Wed. and his funeral will be at Florance Ky on Sat. This is the real heros of conflicts and wars. I would have been with the guys but I had to retire Five years ago .(AGE 60). When a home town National guard unit is called away, It leaves a large hole in that community. When these guys come home they won't go on and on about their tour...most will never mention it, I personally knew this young man and the soldiers that were with him.. Worked , shot and hunted with them. His wife and two sons are the real loosers. I thank him for his sacarfice, his servive to his country and his community.
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So, I'll give my little tale of a wannabe. We had this guy named Steven W who claimed to have been in the paratroops and stationed in Germany for a bit.
I found this out about two minutes after our first meeting as it seemed to be a very big thing with him. Over the course of working a few nights he told me of the various things he'd done in his short but colorful career.
Apparently - -
- He'd missed his original movement to Germany, so instead of putting him on the next chartered flight they put him on the next thing smokin' and let him parachute into the fort he was stationed at in Germany.
- During his time there, he never really learned the name of the town because he was in such a high profile organization he was never allowed to go into town.
- His training was to parachute onto Soviet tanks and disable them.
- He'd been trained on both the T-5 and the newer T-7 parachutes, the ones with the square canopies. ( I admit, I fed him this question)
- He couldn't remember either his roster number, the company he'd gone through Jump School with, or the height of the either the short or tall towers at Ft Benning.
- Didn't know how many paratroopers could fit in a C-130 Hercules.
- When asked if they had completed removing the fourth jump tower at Ft Benning because of safety concerns, he said they had finished right before he went to Jump School.
On our last day together, I invited everyone working with me out to lunch after the last thing had been signed off for and we had a few at Longhorn. Everyone except Steve knew what was coming because I'd told them. When everyone had their drink orders in I laid it all out for Steve....
1) The Air Force isn't going to rig a C-141 for in-flight rigging or put on a Jump Master just so your sorry ass can parachute into Germany on a plane that's going to land thirty minutes later.
2) No one has such a super secret squirrel job in Germany that they never, I say again, never leave the post during a three year tour. Even if you never left, you would hear from other people where you were stationed. There are NO US Army forts in Germany, none. The Army doesn't have Forts in overseas places, only camps. (With the exception of a few in the Canal Zone from when it was US Territory and Fort Buckner in Okinawa.)
3) I still remembered how tall the 34- and 250-foot tower were at Ft Benning because that was usually the only way they were referred to.
4) There is no "fourth tower" at Benning, there was one but it was destroyed before you were even born.
5) The current parachutes in the Army inventory are the T-10 and the MC1-1. You couldn't have been trained on either a T-5 or a T-7 because they haven't been used since around WWII, and even then the T-7 was never a steerable, ram air canopy.
6) I was roster number "147" in Jump School. I remember my Company and I have the crappy picture on my wall to prove it.
7) Everybody and his mother knows you have Sixty-four paratroopers on a C-130 because you sing it every damn day for three weeks.
8) I haven't put on a 'chute in 10 years and I still remember my five damn points of performance, you can't name a single one.
9) You can pay for everyone's drink order. Oh, and you'll again never work on one of my jobs. If they won't accept that I don't want you on one of my teams, then I'll tell them Why, but only if I have to.
I found this out about two minutes after our first meeting as it seemed to be a very big thing with him. Over the course of working a few nights he told me of the various things he'd done in his short but colorful career.
Apparently - -
- He'd missed his original movement to Germany, so instead of putting him on the next chartered flight they put him on the next thing smokin' and let him parachute into the fort he was stationed at in Germany.
- During his time there, he never really learned the name of the town because he was in such a high profile organization he was never allowed to go into town.
- His training was to parachute onto Soviet tanks and disable them.
- He'd been trained on both the T-5 and the newer T-7 parachutes, the ones with the square canopies. ( I admit, I fed him this question)
- He couldn't remember either his roster number, the company he'd gone through Jump School with, or the height of the either the short or tall towers at Ft Benning.
- Didn't know how many paratroopers could fit in a C-130 Hercules.
- When asked if they had completed removing the fourth jump tower at Ft Benning because of safety concerns, he said they had finished right before he went to Jump School.
On our last day together, I invited everyone working with me out to lunch after the last thing had been signed off for and we had a few at Longhorn. Everyone except Steve knew what was coming because I'd told them. When everyone had their drink orders in I laid it all out for Steve....
1) The Air Force isn't going to rig a C-141 for in-flight rigging or put on a Jump Master just so your sorry ass can parachute into Germany on a plane that's going to land thirty minutes later.
2) No one has such a super secret squirrel job in Germany that they never, I say again, never leave the post during a three year tour. Even if you never left, you would hear from other people where you were stationed. There are NO US Army forts in Germany, none. The Army doesn't have Forts in overseas places, only camps. (With the exception of a few in the Canal Zone from when it was US Territory and Fort Buckner in Okinawa.)
3) I still remembered how tall the 34- and 250-foot tower were at Ft Benning because that was usually the only way they were referred to.
4) There is no "fourth tower" at Benning, there was one but it was destroyed before you were even born.
5) The current parachutes in the Army inventory are the T-10 and the MC1-1. You couldn't have been trained on either a T-5 or a T-7 because they haven't been used since around WWII, and even then the T-7 was never a steerable, ram air canopy.
6) I was roster number "147" in Jump School. I remember my Company and I have the crappy picture on my wall to prove it.
7) Everybody and his mother knows you have Sixty-four paratroopers on a C-130 because you sing it every damn day for three weeks.
8) I haven't put on a 'chute in 10 years and I still remember my five damn points of performance, you can't name a single one.
9) You can pay for everyone's drink order. Oh, and you'll again never work on one of my jobs. If they won't accept that I don't want you on one of my teams, then I'll tell them Why, but only if I have to.
Back when I was in high school, I worked in a grocery store. The assistant night manager claimed that he had been in the Air Force back in the 60s and 70s, and wonder of wonders, was an "official" SR-71 pilot. Unfortunately, he had no idea what a Habu was, insisted that the SR-71 was the first aircraft with a composite skin (actually, he called it "kinda fiberglass-y stuff), and thought that a good response to a port engine unstart was to kick full left rudder and dive to "get the engine turning again."
Killermonkey21
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"C-130, roooolin' down the strip.
Sixty-four troopers on a one way trip.
Mission top secret, destination unknown,
don't give a damn if they're ever coming home."
That guy REALLY needed to get his head out of his fourth point of contact.
Sixty-four troopers on a one way trip.
Mission top secret, destination unknown,
don't give a damn if they're ever coming home."
That guy REALLY needed to get his head out of his fourth point of contact.
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Now if youd said Baylor University, I might buy it. A six year old would probably be better than the bums they put on the court.
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