Worst lines you've heard from gun sellers?

[alexander45]

Best one still is the dicks sporting goods guy who told me a 20 Guage slug isn't enough for white tail, that .58 300-400 grain slug moving at 1200+ fps apparently doesn't carry enough Jules of energy lmfao I just looked at him stupid payed my money and went home with my slugster

 

[Yo Mama]

Guy looked at my first pistol when i was 21 and told me i got a bad deal. Mind you it was a Ruger p89, solid gun.

He took one look at it and put some muscle on the slide back and forth. He said oh man the tolerances on this is loose (it wasnt). Being young i was concerned and had spent a good amount of money on it at the time.

He ended up saying after some discussion that he felt bad that i had a "bad" gun, and for 100 bucks less than i bought it for he would pay me for it....you know just to "help" me out.

Luckily at the time my step father advised me the guy was full of it. I did learn a valuable set of lessons including limiting severely who i told about my guns and definately to stop thinking of "showing off" my budding collection\obsession.

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[Yo Mama]

What states send it off? From my understanding it stays with the FFL for 20 years or something, whether or not you have a CHL.

I am really not that worried about the time and effort someone spends to do a background check (I do have a carry license) when I purchase a new firearm. These micro-offenses some people take seriously don't bother me much anymore.

In light of the 9th circuit's ruling on ccw constitutionality, i dont see it at the level of micro-offenses. Its much more serious than that at this point my friend.

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[MauserHSCman]

Wait...what? I think you meant to post this in the "worst lines from customers".

Clearly there are a whole heck of a lot of pistols that shoot .22lr and a whole lot of people buy a whole lot of .22lr for pistols.

This would be reported as a buyer who doesn't know handguns can fire .22lr.

Sounds to me like a buyer who realizes that the seller knows bupkiss about .22lr ammo and thinks "long rifle" has to go in a rifle.

 

[ljnowell]

Sounds to me like a buyer who realizes that the seller knows bupkiss about .22lr ammo and thinks "long rifle" has to go in a rifle.

Swing and a miss!! Try again.


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[RPRNY]

Yes. It is completely correct for a retailer, particularly if they are an FFL, to ask if ammunition...especially a cartridge commonly used in both firearm types...is for a rifle/shotgun or a pistol.



The customer who is buying .22lr and responds to that question with "it say's long rifle on the box" would seem to be, IMO, either ignorant of firearms/ammunition, or trying to lie about the use of the ammo without doing so in an outright manner (rather, intentionally deceptive)

The customer would be stating a point of fact. If the retailer, acting as law enforcement agent, wished to have the question he had asked answered, he could pursue it.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

At a gun show, a seller had two 19th Century top-break nickel-plated revolvers, a Smith & Wesson and an Iver Johnson, both marked with the same price (I believe it was $600).

I was told to look at the barrel: they are marked ".38 S&W" and .38 Smith & Wesson revolvers in that condition are listed at that price.

Except his idea of "excellent" condition was my idea of "good" maybe "very good" and a .38 S&W S&W might be worth up to $600 but a .38 S&W IJ aint.




Aside. For pistol or rifle is a legit ammo seller question on .22 Long Rifle

I was twenty when the 1968 Gun Control Act was passed.

For a while ammo sales had to be through an FFL only and the FFL had to record ammo sales in a bound book, with name, address, drivers license, number, caliber, quantity, make, whether the ammo was for a rifle or pistol, with age limits on pistol and rifle ammo purchase.

The bound book has gone away, but the 1968 GCA age minimum of 21 yrs for purchase of ammo for use in a pistol and 18 yrs for purchase of ammo for use in a rifle is the still law of the land (68GCA is Title I).

When I was twenty, I only bought .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle and .22 Shotshell for use in my rifles, and when asked the question "Is this for a rifle or pistol?" I did not see a point in smarting off at the dealer: it wasn't his line. The gun politics atmosphere in 1968 was not conductive to levity.

I do believe that ATF only requires the pistol/rifle question for certain dual use ammos, especial .22 rimfire. (States may have ammo sales restrictions too.) The point of the law is purchase for use in a pistol or in a rifle. Strictly by letter of law, if you are buying .45-70 ammo for a Trapdoor rifle, you have to be 18 or older, but if you are buying .45-70 ammo for a CA Thunder5 revolver, you have to be 21 or older. (I don't think they ask about ammos commonly seen as primarily rifle and uncommonly pistol.)

 

[Warp]

The customer would be stating a point of fact.

Ignorant or intentionally deceptive on the part of the customer. Definitely not a "worst line from seller" incident.

Aside. For pistol or rifle is a legit ammo seller question on .22 Long Rifle

Absolutely it is

 

[sarge83]

Local gun/pawn shop I frequent about once or twice a year for a laugh is where I hear the usual BS. I walked in once and was looking for old S&W revolvers and the guy whips out a Bryco .380 chrome POS and tells me this is the hottest gun going right now, .380 is a man stopper and how this was a quality gun and then throws in the well it is priced for if I remember right $275 but I will sell it to you for $200 plus tax! I just handed it back to him grinned and walked out.

I was at a gun show once back in the late 90's early 2000's and was interested in a Ruger Vaquero in .357 mag or .44 mag. There were two sellers with the models I wanted and as I was waiting to talk terms with one seller he was talking to two elderly women who I gathered were sisters and lived together and wanted a gun for home defense.

Instead of pushing them toward a GP100 or Security Six in .357 with .38spl loads or a .38spl he was trying to sell them a Vaquero in .44 magnum. Oh this gun would stop anything and you will be just fine shooting it, I'll make you a deal etc... He walked off to take a phone call and they looked at me and I just shook my head NO. I walked off after hearing the exchange.

 

[tark]

I was at a gun show years ago where a person with a table full of Garands caught my interest. I struck up a conversation. After I quickly discerned that he knew nothing about the guns, I was told that "I have number 25 over there," and he pointed to an M-1 at the end of the table, prominently displayed.

What I found was laughable, as would be expected. The first thing I noticed was all the original markings and serial # had been ground off the heel of the receiver, which was and is a felony. The markings were replaced by what appeared to be crude acid etchings and a barely readable number 25.

The Parkerizing was a uniform color throughout, which is another sign of an obvious fake. The gun was a Springfield, presumably but it had a Winchester gas cylinder and front sight. The gas cylinder lock was a high humped Korean war type. I could go on forever describing that mongrel collection of parts.

I asked what it was going for and he replied "I've been offered $4000".

I made no attempt to call him out an his fake. Anyone stupid enough to do something like that wouldn't listen anyway. But I reminded him that occasionally ATF agents will show up at gun shows, looking for any evidence of wrongdoing.

By the time I had walked the Aisle and returned, the gun was gone. The next day, the guy was absent. Never saw him again.

I felt sad that a possibly good rifle had been transformed into something that was illegal even to own.

 

[AgentFlounder]

Not exactly 100% in this topic, I experienced a shopkeeper with absolute ignorance regarding guns, etc. today.

Needing to get a barrel engraved for a project. NFA guy on other side of town, and expensive, so I thought I would stop by an engraving shop in the mall and see if they could quickly take care of the job over lunch. I am dressed in business attire and carrying a briefcase in which the barrel fit nicely (which I did not open). How hard can it be to be at least 1/16th inch tall and .003 deep, right?

Went in, waited for the clerk to finish and I politely asked if they could engrave a firearm part. She got real nervous and started to shake and with her voice quivering she explained to me that because there might be residue on the part and their machine actually touches the part it was too dangerous for them to handle. She went on to explain that they would have to touch the part and did not want any of their fingerprints on any sort of gun related item.

Maybe she thought you wanted to engrave a serial number

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[RetiredUSNChief]

Interestingly, the S/N issue with the Garand didn't used to be illegal, depending on how the ATF determined the reason for the defacement and such.

I researched this very issue a few years back, and the ATF's position, as read from several AFT letters on the subject, changed over time.

At one point, for example, if the defacement wasn't performed by you (as in, say, a stolen gun that was recovered and returned to you), then this was allowed based on the level of defacement, and so forth. And the gun was allowed to be re-serialized...either by restoring the serial number or assigning a new, unique serial number.

Then, as I progressed through my research, it seems to me that I recall another ATF ruling in which it flat out wasn't acceptable at all, including re-serializing the firearm. And you simply couldn't legally own it.

Here is a link to one ATF ruling:

http://s940.photobucket.com/user/Gunny_2009_album/library/BATFE_rules?sort=3&page=1

In this ruling, the ATF has essentially ruled that if there was no finding that the owner was not at fault, the firearm could be restamped with a new serial number issued by the ATF. And I believe a record of the applicable documentation is supposed to be retained.


But in the end, I think your assessment of thus guy's "number 25" is probably correct, given what all you observed. I certainly wouldn't tough it with a ten foot pole.

 

[45_auto]

Maybe she thought you wanted to engrave a serial number

Nothing wrong with that.

If it was a homemade (not licensed manufacturer) receiver, a serial number is optional. Up to the maker whether they want to put one on it or not.

 

[Acera]

Maybe she thought you wanted to engrave a serial number

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Would have no issue asking for that if needed, but I just wanted my trusts name, city and state. About 25 letters and spaces in total.

I am even willing to have it done on the vent rib, so a flat straight surface.
(Plan to legally cover it up with some black gaffers tape anyway.)

Nothing wrong with that.

If it was a homemade (not licensed manufacturer) receiver, a serial number is optional. Up to the maker whether they want to put one on it or not.

Exactly!

 

[larry_minn]

What states send it off? From my understanding it stays with the FFL for 20 years or something, whether or not you have a CHL.

I am really not that worried about the time and effort someone spends to do a background check (I do have a carry license) when I purchase a new firearm. These micro-offenses some people take seriously don't bother me much anymore.

My understanding is 4473 stay with store until they close. Then they MUST send them "and book" to ATF.
Where they will misfile them into a computer system

 

[Warp]

My understanding is 4473 stay with store until they close. Then they MUST send them "and book" to ATF.
Where they will misfile them into a computer system

If they close within 20 years, yes. If not, they can destroy them after 20 years

 

[tark]

RetiredUSNChief, good, informative post. I believe, not sure, that removing the serial# of a gun with the intent to re-numbering it with the number of an existing gun, has always been a felony.

Anyway, what blew me away was the unbelievable gall of that idiot. Thinking he could fool anyone with so obvious a fake. Or at least anyone who knows anything at all about M-1s.

#25 would be a Model Shop rifle and they were very different from the later production models. And it would be worth ten to fifteen times the $4,000 he quoted

 

[ridgerunner1965]

years ago me and a buddy stopped at a pawn shop to look for a 410 pump shotgun. we had been doing a lot of rabbit hunting. it had been years since i had a 410 and wanted to try one for bunnys.

they had a nice mossberg pump for about 50 buks more than i could buy it new.

as i was looking at it the guy behind the counter looks me in the eye and says,

"i can sell you a box of slugs and you will be fixed for deer out to maybe a 100 yards"

my buddy looked at me and smiled!

 

[DAP90]

A dealer told me my Pedersoli Sharps was a black powder cartridge rifle only and it would probably explode if I shot modern 45-70 loads in it. He then proceeded to say I’d probably be ok as long as I didn’t shoot “hunting loads” in it.

It wasn’t, but at the time I didn’t know any better and believed him. I’d shot quite a few off-the-shelf 45-70 loads though it already without it exploding, but it still freaked me out and I ended up selling it. That’s perhaps the one gun I wish I had back.

Dumb advice though. It is either acceptable for modern loads or it is not.

I had a Tikka T3 Lite Hunter that was part of a recall. I sent it in and they sent me back a Sako 75. I took it to a dealer… not sure why really, mostly to see if he thought it was a free upgrade or a mistake I guess… and he proceeded to get very upset with me because they weren’t allowed to ship directly to my home.

He suggested I had committed some kind of crime for accepting it. Threatened to confiscate the rifle, call the police, etc. Fortunately, his manager intervened and I went on my way. It turned out they had shipped me the wrong rifle on accident and I ended up returning it and getting mine back.

 

[cuervo]

Being told at a Bass Pro in VA it was illegal for them to sell me a rifle because I'm a SC resident. It would have been legal if I were a NC resident, however.

There was a contiguous state regulation in the 1968 GCA that was removed in 1986, but not all states may have updated their laws on it.

A number of States patterned their laws after the original provision of the GCA that allows nonresidents to purchase long guns from FFLs only in contiguous states. Many of those States have not revised their laws to reflect the 1986 amendments to the GCA that allow over-the-counter sales of long guns to residents of any State, as outlined above. This has caused confusion among FFLs, who often read such “contiguous state” State laws as prohibiting sales to residents of noncontiguous states.
ATF does not read State laws that refer to “contiguous states” as prohibiting sales of long guns to residents of noncontiguous states unless the language contained in that State’s law expressly prohibits residents from acquiring firearms outside that State. Thus, if the language in the State laws authorizes sales of long guns to residents of contiguous states, that State law also authorizes the sale of long guns to residents of all other states.

https://www.atf.gov/file/56456/download

 

[jrdolall]

"If it ain't a Glock, it's a block." Young clerk at an LGS. I have lots of blocks and zero Glocks.

"You don't want a 22 for SD. The bullet will just bounce off the attacker." Clerk at Bass Pro in Prattville, AL.

 

[Warp]

Well..."You don't want a [.22lr] for SD" is a pretty accurate statement

 

[jrdolall]

Well..."You don't want a [.22lr] for SD" is a pretty accurate statement

Usually. It's the "bullet will just bounce off..." part that is a bit sketchy.

 

[jeff-10]

Soon to be banned, BUY NOW!

+1

41 now. Had my first gun at 13 and been going to gun stores for at least as long. If I bought something every time they told me it would be banned, I would have safes full of guns that really don't interest me all that much.

 

[CLP]

Usually. It's the "bullet will just bounce off..." part that is a bit sketchy.

BG probably wearing a Carhartt jacket