What is the silliest thing you've heard in a gun discussion?

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>>>>Also ... The big deal of a revolver with silencer!!! Remember Lee Marvin in (I think) ''Point Blank'' ....... a 70's movie IIRC ... wonderful ''plop - plop'' when he fired ...... always wondered how they got the good seal on the cyl/forcing cone gap!<<<<

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Revolvers actually work quite well with suppressors, in fact the British used Dan Wessons (with suppressors) for many years for "wet work".
Yeah, SOME noise will escape from the cylinder gap, but not enough to make a difference.
 
The Dan Wesson B/C gap is adjustible, IIRC, so it is an exception rather than the rule.
 
I resisted this thread having once been in the biz I've heard some serious BS/ignorance re: firearms.

So much so that my head started to hurt remembering them all.

And then I remembered the best one.

This from your average suburban white late teen early 20’s male emulating the speech and dress of your average inner city gangsta’ rapper.

While handling a bright polished Taurus PT-92, in the classic gangsta’ sideways and above line of sight shooting style, he then proceeds to de-cock the hammer with the slide mounted de-cocker. (Hammer drops like you pulled the trigger remember)

“I like Taurus ‘cause they got that second trigger on the sideâ€

Yes friends, it’s true, someone had convinced him that the de-cocking lever was a ‘secondary trigger’.

I could actually feel myself getting dumber by being around him.
 
Well if you count water guns...

I heard a guy examining a SuperSoaker at the Wally World, Q: "Does it shoot real far?"
A: "Naw, it just shoots water. I don't think we have any that shoots far.":p
 
Two kids who were just getting into shotguns discussing a 'perfect' load with a layer of .223 fmj projectiles, with shot on top. 'cause, you know how devastating the .223 is when it hits.. :eek:
 
Arinvolvo, read up on metallurgy and bullet types.

At a rainy-day class in the army in 1950, a Tech Sgt. was extolling the virtues of the M-2 Carbine, "... yada, yada, 2600 feet per second, 750 rounds per minute, so fast that there are two rounds in the barrel at the same time..." After some quick head math, my stupid 17 year old hand went up, "Uh, Sergeant, I think the bullets are about 200 feet apart, roughly." Big mistake on my part. For the next six months, every time he saw me, it was, "give me 50!!!"

How about the old saw, "the M-16 is made so that the bullets keyhole so that they do more damage"

At a gunshow, trying to buy a lightweight bullet for my Ruger BH in 30 carbine, I asked a dealer if he had any 90 grain bullets in .308. He patiently explained to me how the 308 wasn't intended to shoot such a bullet.

One of the best, was a guy showing off his old Colt SAA and telling me how it belonged to his Great Grandpa who was a Texas Ranger for 48 years, and dedicated his life to using "this very gun" to kill a bad guy every day that he was in the Rangers. I didn't even do the math. God, what a stack of body bags.
 
Still real curious where that comes from...

archie, i wont even begin a 444 vs 45/70 thread.

but 444 is better.
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Having handload and chronographed both rounds, it baffles me where Cohiba's information came from. Unless he's referring to lighter recoil from lightweight .44 Magnum pistol bullets?

Edited: He's no longer a member here. Guess we'll never know. :(
 
Actually, the pistol bullet argument sounds good when making a point, but in reality, there are a number of good bullets that were designed and manufactured for use in the .444 Marlin, at .444 Marlin velocities. That being said, many pistol bullets perform fine.
Which is better ? Well, to my way of thinking, they really can't be compared apples to apples. The .45/70 normally uses bullets that are heavier than those used by the .444 Marlin. If that is what you are looking for, then the .45/70 is the way to go. If however you feel that a lighter bullet from 180 grains to 300 (or a little more) are the ticket, then the .444 Marlin is the gun.
If I had a strong desire to own a big bore lever action, I would pick the .45/70 because pretty much anything that can be done with a .444 Marlin can be done with a .45/70 and then some. From a practical standpoint, anything I ever anticipate hunting can be easliy taken with the .444 Marlin, so the point is moot.
 
In a college in Mobile, Alabama, between 91 and 93:

"If you get hit with a car, you'll just be hurt, but if you're shot, you'll die."

Of course, I believe this was the same class where I almost provoked a fight with several "gentlemen" who said that raped women asked for it. :fire: (I would have pointed out that, since men "couldn't help themselves" and those who wore skimpy clothing were "asking for it", when these healthy meat-eating macho men wore skimpy shorts while shooting hoops, they were "asking for it" from homosexual males, who are also men, and therefore, can't control themselves. :rolleyes: )

John
 
From a 14 year old (so it's excusable, but still funny), to me when I was 15: "The .223 flies end over end through the air - that's how it does so much damage." He was confusing the exterior ballistics with terminal ballistics, obviously - at 15 I knew better, but could not convince him as much - this was my good buddy at the time. Yeah, El Tejon, I too wanna know how the chick looked who carries a .50AE shell around. :) And Tamara, I missed the Raging Glock thread - can you please name the nameless BB, or otherwise point me in the right direction?

"My 9mm at home has a scope on it in case I have to shoot without my glasses on" - omg I'm about to wet my pants. ROTFL.

"The cylinder gap hardly matters. 99% of the gas (noise) comes out of the end of the barrel" Donthinso, Keith - a very large component of noise comes from the cylinder gap in a typical revolver. Try shooting a .357 s&w and a .357 Coonan or whathave, both with no hearing protection - you'll be sorry you did with the revolver.
 
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The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.
 
I had a supervisor that bragged non-stop about his Delta Elite. The silly/stupid part was he was absolutely convinced that the best bear defense round for 10mm were fast moving hollow points. This clown would not see the light about hollow points and very large furry critters. I am waiting to see his name in the paper" Man killed by angry wounded bear"

ZM
 
The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.
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Not even relativity. Just basic Newtonian physics, you don't even need to dig into relativity to show the effect.

If the plane is traveling 3000fps, then so is everything else on it, including the bullets. When you fired, you're adding an additional 3000fps. If the stated effect were true you wouldn't even be able to fire the weapon, the bullet would just stay in the barrel - you wouldn't need to catch it.
 
I used to work with a guy who claimed he was given an M60 with an aluminum barrel (so it melts if you fire it I guess?) as a gift from a steel company or something. He said that congress had to make a special exception just for him.:rolleyes:
 
Keith - a very large component of noise comes from the cylinder gap in a typical revolver. Try shooting a .357 s&w and a .357 Coonan or whathave, both with no hearing protection - you'll be sorry you did with the revolver.
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Futo,

I know that's the common wisdom, but in practice it's actually much easier to suppress a revolver than a semi. With a semi, the suppressor affects the recoil energy and/or the barrel tilting required to function reliably. It takes a lot of tinkering.

With a revolver, you need only shim up the cylinder to the narrowest possible gap. Most revolvers have a pretty generous gap so that heat expansion will not bind up the cylinder- and that gap is where all that noise comes from. Heat expansion is not an issue if you're only shooting a few rounds, so you can narrow it down to almost nothing.

With a Dan Wesson revolver you don't even need to do any tool work because it's designed so that you can set the cylinder gap in a matter of minutes with a special wrench sold with the gun. And the front of the barrel shroud is already threaded, so you need only match the threads with your suppressor. You couldn't design a better system for the purpose!

And the British used those Dan Wesson revolvers for years (probably still using them). I don't know caliber what they use(d) - probably .22's and .38's - but by all accounts, they work very well.

Keith
 
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