Would these signs offend you?

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Gander Mountains have a sign similiar to the second, some thing along the lines of 'All firearms and bows must be unloaded and encased. Concealed weeapons holders are exempt from this provision'.

Doesn't bother me in the least.
 
So, putting up a sign that does absolutely nothing to avoid losing business from people who are clueless is a bad thing?
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How could a business know that they are losing business by people walking up and not seeing some sign about guns?

The way psychology works, mentioning the subject that people don't feel good about no matter how it is mentioned is likely to put them ill at ease.

The premise (business is being lost by people who don't see a sign about guns to make them feel better) would need to be proven first.

That's for a general business. For a business that sells guns or a firing range...anyone that scared of guns won't go there in the 1st place just like I don't go to hair salons (not because I'm scared...well maybe ;) ).

My understanding is that these signs were either put up for insurance/liability purposes (guns must be unloaded etc.) or due to the owners being nervous-nellies about CCW in states that have a sign posting provision.

Oregon businesses don't post any signs that I've noticed (it's not in the CCW laws) so, any signs here would stand out as odd. Soccer moms would wonder why only this business needs to mention guns...do they get robbed a lot?
 
No, but they are kind of pointless. I don't really see what good they'd do. If someone is carrying an illegal weapon, I don't understand what a sign is going to do.
 
I was going into the local gun store / liberty safe dealer and noticed he had a sign on the door. It said "no loaded guns allowed". I happend to be walkin' in the door with the owner at the time (he was outside watering the lawn) and saw the sign and said "oops. I'll be right back" the owner said "Don't worry about it. It's mostly there to keep the riff-raff out." I chuckled a little about that.

Mark.
 
I have the same experiences with folks at the verrry few places that have them posted though I credited it to people not wanting to get confrontational with the gun carring guy in a wheelchair

"Lawful open and concealed carry welcome here."
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I would shop here in a heart beat even if I had to pay a bit more
who would rob someone coming out of this place
 
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Looks like a Glock grip :neener: with a 1911 trigger
 
Yes they would. It does not matter that they have no legal weight, or an inside joke to those who are of the mindset that RKBA infringements do not work.

To the average joe that is uninformed they are no different than a no weapons sign, a guns are evil sign, or a please keep guns away message.

The way to keep firm believers in the RKBA is to oppose sentiments that catter to and create the type of people that believe strict weapon laws will keep them safer. Signs and messages that imply the weapons and thier presence is evil have an impact on fence sitters that are ill informed or not informed at all.

Any sentiment that gives the message that everyone is put in more danger by the presence of firearms encourages the mindset that they are dangerous to others, or should only be possessed by government sanctioned individuals, the less the better.

So if you think only about yourself, no they should not be offensive, because you can smugly tell yourself it does not apply to you.
However you must realize that it classifies guns in the mind's of the uninformed average joe in a catagory that those not sanctioned to have and use them should not be allowed to have them. Seeing such signs all over the place slowly reinforces and builds on that mindset.
You can quickly understand it erodes the mindset we are trying to encourage. That mindset is that they are just another tool. The same mindset that once existed when Tommy guns were sold in a Sear's catalog. When a pistol was sold at a hardware store, and firearms were little different than buying a hammer, a screwdriver, or a shovel.
 
A high school near here had large signs:

Illegal activity prohibited


Bruce
 
Yes they would. It does not matter that they have no legal weight, or an inside joke to those who are of the mindset that RKBA infringements do not work.
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You have GOT to be kidding.

There is NOTHING in those signs about RKBA infringement. NOTHING. LTFR.

Two concepts: Some folks need gentle encouragement, not a slabside upside the skull, to understand that the "illegal/criminal" guns that they see on television are not the same as the "legal/authorized" guns that may be in the supermarket line with them.

Other folks need to realize that they are living really, really dangerously when they walk into Bubba's GunMart carrying a boomstick, since that makes the guys who work there a little nervous.
 
Other folks need to realize that they are living really, really dangerously when they walk into Bubba's GunMart carrying a boomstick, since that makes the guys who work there a little nervous.
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I understand that and can agree to its purpose. However much of that was created because firearms became more valuable to criminal elements by being heavily restricted, and they are now willing to rob and kill for them more so than before.

An example is someone walking into a hardware store with a gas powered chainsaw to return it or ask about a refund would probably get little to no reaction. They won't fear he is going to use that chain saw to rob them for expensive tools worth hundreds all around. The same cannot be said for firearms, not because they are worth significantly more, simply due to legislation.

Then again you could say the same about many drugs. Few people are victimized or robbed to fund an alcohol addiction. Yet it happens all the time to support other addictions. Why? Because legislation has created an artificaly increased value in the market.

If guns were just a tool though there probably wouldn't be "Bubba's Gunmart" because they would just be sold at the local general store/ hardware/super store or direct from manufacturers instead just like a lawn mower, a power tool, or even a computer and not be limited to specialty shops.
 
Okay. Have you ever been in a hardware store where someone carried in a gas-powered chainsaw, and proceeded to go primatebleep? Can you actually cite such a case, or are you relying upon theory? Because theory don't hunt, son...

We had a gun store here in St. Louis where someone carried in a boomstick, and proceeded to get himself dead.
 
The local indoor range/gun shop has signage to the effect of "No handleing of loaded guns in the lobby. CCW permit holders need to continue to keep their weapon concealed". I see it as an application of gun safety. When I go to that range I keep the springfield microcompact .45ACP in my pocket untill I get to the fireing line. Then out it comes. At the end of practice I reload at the fireing line with hollowpoints and it goes back to concealment position.

The signs on the OP don't offend me but are a bit feel good rather than accomplish good. The signs with CCW welcome would seem to at least possibly have a deterrent effect on an armed robbers choice of victoms. No study i know of to prove sineage makes any difference.

But which is more deadly? 1) armed robbery event, 2) Negligent discharge by duly leagally carrying CCW? The armed robbery side has a long list of dead innocent victoms. The NG side has got to be next to nothing. THEREFORE sineage restricting CCW is a waste of paper and ink.
 
The way I figure it, if you're trying to reassure the sheep, then reassure them. They will not be reassured by mixed signals, or reminders that 1-7 out of every hundred people they meet has a gun.

Phrase it straight:

"No unlawful firearms." (For general use)

or

"All firearms must be cased or holstered." (For gunshops)
or "No handling of loaded firearms" (For gunshops)

Leave the obvious and implied exeptions to "those in the know".

Arms carriers are fundamentally used to wielding power on their own authority, and if they aren't yet used to their own authority, they'd best sort that out quick.
 
with a ccw piece, you can pretty much guarantee one thing... It's loaded.

Now all you have to have is some Gunshop Commando proclaiming to the world that he's the only one in the room professional enough to handle a Glock Fotty (blam), and then the insurance rates go up...

One thing that sitting at a table Knob Creek for three days of peace and love taught me is that there's two kindsa gun folks... Intelligent and careful ones, and the ones who walk up and ask if you have something for sale that is displayed NOWHERE on your table... And then get angry about it.

The _best_ was one guy...

"What's that?"

"It's a delinker."

"What's it do?"

"It delinks."

"Oh."
 
Doesn't offend me, but seems pointless. Criminals already know not to commit crimes and do it anyway. CCW guys already know the laws and follow them. People that commit gross gun safety violations don't read signs or instructions anyway.
 
Yeah, but after the three guys behind the counter have cleared leather when Bubba walks in waving his boomstick around, it's nice to have a nice big sign to point to while you're telling him "Dumbass, you almost got yourself darwined!"
 
You have GOT to be kidding.

There is NOTHING in those signs about RKBA infringement. NOTHING. LTFR.

Two concepts: Some folks need gentle encouragement, not a slabside upside the skull, to understand that the "illegal/criminal" guns that they see on television are not the same as the "legal/authorized" guns that may be in the supermarket line with them.

Other folks need to realize that they are living really, really dangerously when they walk into Bubba's GunMart carrying a boomstick, since that makes the guys who work there a little nervous.
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I apologize for misunderstanding what you meant in your opening message, when you asked "Would these signs offend you?" and said "And I'm wondering if the other would be a good idea for some gun stores..."

I thought you were asking a question and wanted honest responses. It didn't occur to me that what you really wanted was approval and what you really didn't want was disagreement.

So, now, "Oh boy is that a great idea! Wonderful signs! Wouldn't offend me at all! Can't imagine anyone being offended by those signs! They will turn soccer moms into pistol packing mamas!"
 
after the three guys behind the counter have cleared leather when Bubba walks in waving his boomstick around
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I've seen it happen, I see your point. In my case it was a homeboy who pulled a loaded .25 auto out of his pants to try and sell it. It is amazing how fast you can move when you anticipate gunfire. At least he was smart enough to not point it at anyone.
 
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