Would you be interested in a semiauto .357 or .44 rifle?

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I say bring back the Timberwolf!

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Project number 583 is to fabricate an adaptor that will slide into the Timberwolf receiver and accept 870 stocks...:)
I've got an extra Timberwolf stock with the metal parts just need to find some time.

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I'd like kel-tec to make a sub-2000 in 7.62x25mm but I would definetly settle for one chambered in .357 mag that uses desert eagle mags.
 
Just get yourself a Beowulf and be done with it

I highly recommend Alexander Arms AR-15 in .50 Beowulf. It's a great gun and will do all you mentioned and more. I consider .357 magnum a light load and .44 magnum while decent doesn't alway get the job done either.

The .50 Beowulf will handle most any critter human or 4 legged that comes your way and is a darn good shooting gun out to about 300 yards.

With the muzzle brake installed it has the recoil of about a 12 gauge shotgun shooting 2-3/4 shells with 00 buckshot.

Alexander Arms is so backed up that you will have to order one now to get it by Christmas though.

My $0.02.

Molon Labe,
Joe
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If they made what would essentially be an M1 Carbine chambered for .357 Magnum, I would beat a path down to the gunstore and heat up the credit card so fast I'd leave a puff of smoke behind me.
 
Lever's in .357 and .44 are just so reliable and fun

And so damn much easier to clean than a semiauto -- on the rare occasion that you really have to clean the lever at all.
 
ArmedBear: Gotta agree with you on the cleaning, reliability and fun. IME, they all apply to pumps, too.

The inertia-delayed recoil operating system a la Benelli still seems to be the most practical and versatile alternative to a gas system for a SL carbine using revolver cartridges to me.

There's a huge difference in the mass being propelled between the lightest 12 ga. load and the heaviest .357 or .44 Mag. It doesn't seem to me that, given competent engineering, the felt recoil would be much, if any, greater than from a locked breech design of equal weight with the same load. And there'd still be the self-regulating feature and lack of powder/lead fouling issues to deal with.

My opinion is that it could be done, and done well, but that unless they thought that there would be enough LEA/military interest to provide a large enough potential market to recoup R&D, tooling, etc. costs and show a profit within say, 5 years, no manufacturer will try it.

From what I can gather, one of the big reasons that the Timberwolf was discontinued was that the LEA market they were hoping for didn't materialize.

When it first came over here, a .357 revolver was still the sidearm most often seen in an LEO's holster. A light, fast-handling, rugged, accurate, reliable carbine capable of using the same ammo seemed almost a no-brainer for a "patrol carbine". Especially since nearly everyone can deliver faster and more precise hits out past 20-25 yds or so with a carbine than they can with a handgun.

Unfortunately for Action Arms and IMI, the LEA sidearm paradigm was already changing rapidly towards semiautos and the one for a rifled longarm as general issue hadn't arrived yet. There is also a quirk in the Timberwolf design that makes it less desirable from a strictly tactical viewpoint: the action must be open to load the magazine or top it off. Big boo boo.

As the Timberwolf originally had an MSRP slightly higher than the Marlin 1894c and a good bit more than the Rossi M92 and seemed to offer no practical advantages for the money in their advertising (such as it was) consumers didn't exactly flock to it either.

I managed to buy mine when a local dealer was closing them out for $235, NIB. Still only a bit cheaper than I could've gotten a new Marlin for at Wally World, but I saw a particular minor-seeming features in it that I thought might work better in my intended use.

The butt stock not only detaches for more compact storage and transport, it also adjusts for drop and (to a limited extent) for cast-on or off. This makes it easy to set it up to fit and point like a good shotgun. On small, moving targets, that makes an amazing difference.

Combined with its outstanding accuracy, it makes for a truly great small game carbine. I wouldn't trade mine for diamonds, even as much as I love my LAs.
 
Mainmech, you scored with your close out special on the Timberwolf! I paid $550 for mine (.44mag) used but in mint shape and I was pretty stoked at the time.....It's a keeper for sure!
 
They made one back in the forties I think.... a case similar to the 357 in power too....

I think they called it a carbine.... I can't be sure though...
 
Thanks Leadhead, but it was about 20 years ago so with inflation and all I'd guess we're about even as far as price goes. I looked at a .44 they had, too. It was factory hard chromed and I was sorely tempted.

But my state didn't allow deer hunting with rifles or handguns at the time and I already had a couple of .357 revolvers. I had my old Lyman turret press set up for for my then-standard general purpose load (Lyman 358429 cast SWC weighing 173 grains from my alloy in .38 Spl. cases over 5.3 grains of Unique) and a bunch of components so I bought the blued .357.

dscott88: I think the carbine you're thinking of could be the old Winchester M 1907 in .351 Win. Self-Loading. They seemed to still have had something of an LEO following when I was a kid in rural Missouri circa 1957. The Highway Patrol officer who lived down the street from us had one riding in a rack in his car and two of the St. Francois Co. deputies who volunteered with our Boy Scout troop also had them in their trunks. I think that they all had the 10-rd. box mags, but after 50 years it's hard to picture them exactly anymore. I don't know if they were department issue or personal weapons, but I remember that they sure looked "businesslike" to that kid.
 
I love my marlin1894 in 357. It would be even cooler if it came in a take down version like timberwolf but I dont know if that is feasable. I wouldnt care to see a 357 tortured into a semi. I think the 40 fits the semi auto carbine role well.
 
Pump action magnum pistol caliber...

Taurus already had them on their website last year. Both .357 and .44 magnum pumps. I haven't seen one in a store yet. I would like to have the .357 myself.
 
No, not really.

If I have to use the 357 or the 44Mag, I am perfectly happy loading them into a pair of revolvers and a lever action rifle. I play a Cowboy on the weekends. What I would like however, is carbine that takes Glock mags in 357 Sig. The 357 Sig delivers the same basic performance as the the 357 mag in a package that is made for a semi-auto platform. If a carbine that took glock mags in 10mm were available I think I would probably buy one of those as well as a Glock 20 to go along with it. The 10mm comes close enough to the 44 for me.
 
Pump action magnum pistol caliber...

Taurus already had them on their website last year. Both .357 and .44 magnum pumps. I haven't seen one in a store yet. I would like to have the .357 myself.


I went back to their website and actually they offer .357 magnum and .45 colt chamberings in their pumps.
 
KodeFore: If you'd really like one there are at least a couple of custom gunsmiths doing take-down conversions on Marlin and Winchester/Rossi LA carbines. John Taffin has written them up several times and they sure look slick. The only names I recall at the moment are a fellow named Cosby and our own Alaskan madman at Wild West Guns. An email to Taffin c/o "Guns Magazine" might get you some more info on sources.
 
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