Would you buy NFA stuff if the tax was less?

Would you buy NFA stuff if the tax was less?

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Personally, for me, the reason I haven't made the jump to an NFA item such as a SBR or a suppressor is simply a result of unfamiliarity with the process. I've never jumped through the legal hoops to buy an NFA item. From my perspective the process looks rather daunting.
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It's actually very simple, especially if you use a Revocable Living Trust as the registration entity- fill out the forms, cut the check, mail it in. The daunting part is waiting for your form to go pending (about 3 weeks from check cashing) and waiting to recieve your approved form back (4 to 34 days after approval- usually 4 to 14). Calling NFA Branch only makes the process that much more daughnting.

The first time is worst. Jump in the deepend and the cold water is nothing.

Drop the paperwork and I'd be more than happy to pay a $200 tax (which, without the paperwork, might actually generate legitimate revenue for the Treasury Department) for a well made suppressor, or a SBR or SBS.
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The forms themselves are very easy to fill out. Filling out a 1040EZ is way more difficult. They are necesary in that they serve as proof of tax payment.
 
The $200 tax really hasn't stopped me. I've spent a couple thousand in transfer taxes over the past 5 years.

I recently purchased an AOW pen gun and if I had to pay a $200 tax on a $300 gun I might not have purchased the gun. But it's only a $5 transfer tax on an AOW so that made it a bit more palatable.
 
Its not the tax its the price of automatic weapons...Lift the 86 ban but keep the process but know the process is unconstitutional.
 
I would definitely buy cans and SBRs if they dropped the tax. I would by mgs if the closed registry didn't make them so darn expensive. I don't agree with the registration of NFA items, but I would put up with it to have the stuff while we work on the laws.
 
I don't care about full auto ... sure it would be fun, but I don't care if I never own a machine gun.

SBRs, SBSs and suppressors, however, I'd own a bunch of if the tax was less.
 
I wouldn't mind if the 86 gun ban was repealed and I could get select fire weapons, but the actual tax stamp doesn't bother me, I already have NFA items.

The only thing that bothers me, and how perverted the process has gotten out of necessity. It is supposed to be an in depth background check of the buyer, but because CLEOs see the signature was an endorsement rather then a check to see if the firearm is legal locally (like it says on the form) most are forced to take Trust or corporation route.

Ultimately you go through the NCIS check for trust and corp transfers, but still thats a whole lot of waiting when the actual check is instant.
 
If $200 is all that is stopping you, you haven't been paying attention.

In many ways this is the NFA Golden Age.

We are at the point where you can STILL buy new suppressors, SBRs, etc. at RETAIL (rather than collector prices).

This isn't 1975 where $200 was a LOT of money.

And they haven't closed the registry yet, thus driving prices on these items into the collectors market.

When President Hillary signs the law closing the registry you will one day be sitting around telling your kids how you remember when you could buy a HALO suppressor for $700 plus tax and how you should have gotten 10 of them.
 
I'd buy a lot of NFA stuff (especially DD's) if the tax were lower but I'm opposed to the entire law and would rather see it go away entirely.
 
Justin, it is stupid easy, easier than getting most CCW permits and takes less time to process also. Form trust, and you dont even need fingerprints/Signoff. smokin easy.

Everyone complains about the cost of NFA guns, the AMMO will be the costly part if you actually do any shooting.
 
If it was either a one time tax of 200 bucks and I could buy as many silencers I wanted I would do it.

Or it was something like 25 or 50 bucks I would also buy more.

The process I don't care about just the cost.

200 bucks is just too much to spend so that my shotgun can be a SBS or a rifle an SBR. Sure they would be nice ot have but the extra 3 to 4 inches isn't going to kill me.
 
For suppressors, SBS, SBR, yes ($200 tax on items from $0-$1000 is a big chunk). For MG's, no, that's just a drop in the hat for what a MG costs. The process and the cost of MG's is what dissuades me. If the powers that be hadn't capped the supply it would matter more.
 
At the time the NFA was enacted $200 was a lot of money. As I understand it, that sum was decided upon because that was the cost of a new Colt made Thompson submachine gun, $200. Factor in inflation and it would be more like $2,000 now. Our local police department actually bought a Thompson gun back in the 30's after Baby face Nelson robed the bank. The PD still has it. I was allowed to hold it once when I was a kid and the main thing I remember is how HEAVY it was. It was made by Colt and is finished more like a sporting arm with a deep bluing and fine walnut furniture. Much better fit and finish than the semi-auto copies made by Khar. If such a gun were made today it could easily cost a couple of grand.

Come to think of it, the NFA is really a sort of a collective or group punishment. Because a few people (bank robbers and the Mafia) misbehaved, everyone gets punished because of what they "might do" if the have one of these evil guns. Still, to answer your question, I think not. I just don't need another expensive toy.

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If Michigan allowed SBRs and suppressors, I would fill out the forms today with the current laws and get an SBR AR15 or XCR and a suppressor for my Walter P22. Alas, Michigan is a blue state and I can only have deadly weapons that are "safe".
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If this gets overturned like MG's did, I'd have no problem dropping a $200 tax tomorrow on at least a .22 suppressor. Maybe a few others, as well.
 
As have said others, it's not the tax. It's the lengthy process. I have a suppressor, but it was a pain to get.

I also agree with Justin. I'd be less annoyed at the tax if I could just do a 4473.

However, I did answer yes. $200 less is $200 less. I'd certainly be less put off.


-T.
 
Factor in inflation and it would be more like $2,000 now.
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According to Inflationdata.com, prices have increased approximately 1,475% since 1934. If the $200 tax increased at that rate, it'd be approximately $2950 today. That's roughly 3.75% inflation per year.

(Ouch)
 
I suspect that if the tax were less, there would certainly be more people buying the stuff. If more people were to buy the stuff, there'd be more people making the stuff. If there were more people making the stuff, it would cost less and there'd be better products available...
 
If my state allowed me to have NFA weapons, I would own one or two. The tax doesnt mean anything to me when compared with the purchase price of $10,000-$20,000 for a full auto.
 
According to Inflationdata.com, prices have increased approximately 1,475% since 1934. If the $200 tax increased at that rate, it'd be approximately $2950 today. That's roughly 3.75% inflation per year.
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A couple of threads ago I calculated this out to $3503 at a 4% inflation rate for 73 years:

200 X (1.04 ^ 73)

Yeah, I'd buy suppressors, but I don't have any particular application for MGs. I'm kind of a devotee of the single precision aimed shot.

Maybe a short barreled rifle or shotgun, but that's about it.

I would like to have a couple other "all other weapons," though, like a cane gun and/or maybe a cell phone gun or something just for deep concealment in personal protection.
 
I already have a couple of suppressors, and plan on getting another as well as an SBR within the next year. The only thing that stops me from buying them now is lack of funds, and the $400 is part of that, so yes, I'd buy them sooner if it was $50 tacked on to 2 items instead of $400 tacked on.

The tax doesnt mean anything to me when compared with the purchase price of $10,000-$20,000 for a full auto.
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It sure does mean something on a $250 suppressor or an $90 stripped receiver that you want to SBR though.

For those of you who say the only reason you haven't done it is because you are unfamiliar with the process, please bite the bullet and do it. The more suppressors people see at the range the better.
 
The paperwork is not that bad. My Class 3 dealer actually filled it out for me and all I had to do was sign, get the prints done, a couple passport pics, and the local LEO signoff. Whole thing took a couple hours one afternoon.

My transfer was 27 days mailbox to mailbox for 3 items...piece of cake.
 
Machine guns may be hideously overpriced, but a lower tax would really help with other stuff. I would almost definitely have made a "hillbilly dueling pistol" and a few AOWs by now, if the tax were only $25 or so.

Lower tax would also really help the suppressor market. Pretty much the only cans you can find in this country are extremely high-end expensive ones, because of that tax. If it were much lower, you could expect cheaper, $100 or so cans to come out.
 
Good lord. I call BS on half this thread. :neener:

Anyone who says they don't want an MG has never shot one, or is in some sort of denial and self-rationalization due to the price to fun factor. They're way more fun than any semi-auto. Any new shooter who shoots my lowly subgun has a huge smile on their face. It has never failed, never!

If I could afford to toss $10k away, I'd go buy some more tomorrow. Better yet, if that asinine 922(o) ever falls, Im converting a bunch ASAP!

Anyhow, back on topic, the initial post referred to NFA -- of which I've found silencers to be the most practical item still readily available. Its pretty damn cool to be able to carry on a conversation with your shooting buddy while both of you are plinking at pumpkins with silenced pistols. Not to mention the accuracy improvement some folks see on their silenced bolt guns. Some enlightened states let you hunt with your silencer, don't even need to damage your hearing anymore or piss off the neighbors!

I've always felt SBR were lame attempt at achieving compactness. Cutting the barrel reduces performance, while going to a bullpup configuration achieves the same compactness without giving up performance.

SBS -- I dont care enough for shotguns to try it out. Maybe a Tromix Saiga would be fun, but the pump action short barreled Mossbergs just look like a bruised palm and beat-up shoulder to me.

AOWs like gadget guns might be a nice conversation piece, but I cant see taking a 22 pen gun or a 44mag MagLite to the range very often. :D

Silenced rifles, and silenced handguns are a god send. The number 1 reason in america that gun ranges are shutdown is due to noise complaints. Do your part, muffle your guns!

-T
 
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