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Would you open carry a BP revolver?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by MCgunner, Apr 4, 2011.

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Would you carry a BP in an open carry state once in a while?

Poll closed Apr 24, 2011.
  1. Sure, why not?

    88 vote(s)
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  2. Hell no, I value my life

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  1. MCgunner

    MCgunner Member

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    Purely speculative as I can't open carry in Texas and usually conceal an auto pistol for practical reasons. But, if I could open carry, I thought I might occasionally carry my 5.5" .51 Navy just because I can. Fresh loads, it always goes boom and with the proper cap size, I don't seem to have the cap in the hammer problem. Then, too, I have a flap style crossdraw for my ROA.

    Just wondering what other's thoughts were. I wouldn't go to a gunfight with the BPs, but they're pretty formidable as defense guns. Bill Hickock thought so, anyway.
     
  2. Busyhands94

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    yes. anybody looking down the barrel of a .44 Colt Walker is not in a position to continue attacking if they want to live. hearing that deadly >Click< of the hammer, seeing those .44 lead balls in the cylinder glistening at you like a lion's eyes while you look down that big blue and cold barrel, that shiny brass trigger guard, i think that anybody with half a brain would at least realize that they should learn to behave themselves or risk getting blown away.
     
  3. Armored farmer

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    As a woods/trail gun ...sure, I would carry my '58.
    As a for-real 'wrong side of the tracks' gun......nooo. (not if I had a choice)
     
  4. ElvinWarrior

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    You know, I don't even know what the law says about "open carry" for California or Los Angeles, which is especially harsh and restrictive on gun ownership these days. I guess I am going to have to check that one out.

    But, in answer to your question, HELL YA !!!

    But probably only on special occassions, like, going to work, or going to the store, or taking the dog for a walk, or... just walking around for the hell of it !!! LOL

    But, seriously,I have this sort of "dress ups" thing I like doing sometimes, getting all dressed up in a periode or fantasy costume of some type, you know, for Halloween, or for showing up at one of the "freak show", anime conventions... So, I guess I would occassionally "open carry" if I got all dressed up as say, a Davey Crocket impersonator, or a "Wild Bill Hickock" impersonator. Heck, I may do that anyways, "open carry" a fancy, nice quality stage or prop gun, like the following pic.

    [​IMG]

    Sincerely,

    ElvinWarrior... aka... David, "EW"
     
  5. MCgunner

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    LOL on the dress up thing, sorta hits home. I've built this leather rig out of a buscadero belt, holster with hammer thong, US stamped cap/flask/ball flap pouch, and a cross draw for the Ruger. I added a large size HKS speedloader case and it perfectly fits the two spare cylinders for my Navy. None of this is useful as I don't carry the guns afield, might start. LOL Not really authentic, either, as old Wild Bill just stuffed his Navys in his sash, but, I just did it to be doing it and I put the stuff on sometimes like some kid reliving the 50s/60s TV westerns. :banghead: I'm an adolecent 58 year old, I guess.

    But, I was thinkin', now if they'd just pass that open carry law, I'd walk into Walmart with this rig on. ROFL
     
  6. nalioth

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    Me, neither, but I'd open carry my shiny polished stainless Remy 1858 if it were allowed :)
     
  7. ElvinWarrior

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    McGunner !!!

    Talkin 'bout dress ups !!! Take a gander at this fine lad !!! A son any BP nut would be PROUD of !!!

    :) :) :) :) :)

    [​IMG]

    And, speaking of good 'ol Wild Bill... Here is a jewel...

    [​IMG]

    And, that sounds like one TERRIFIC periode/re-enactment get-up !!! Fine Job That !!! Also, who is to say it's NOT historically correct? I am sure Wild Bill didn't wear EXACTLY the same clothes every single day of his life !!! And, you know, walking around with two 8" pistols stuffed in your pants can be really uncomfortable and somewhat of a stress on your "pride", especially when you sit on down to the card table... I am also sure, on occassion, when he got all "dressed up", that he donned a tad of leather now and again...

    Sincerely,

    ElvinWarrior... aka... Dave, "EW"
     
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  8. rdstrain49

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    Yes I do, nearly every day, horseback in the mountains.
    [​IMG]

    And with groups like this at 25 yards I feel confident.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. MrWesson

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    If you are going to OC you might as well look good while doing it :).
     
  10. mykeal

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    Assuming, of course, that you actually get to draw it. That's the problem with open carry - it allows the bad guy to identify the targets...
     
  11. burnse

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    I would absolutely do so. As a matter of fact, I plan on (concealed) carrying my fluted 1860. I just need to make the 1860 mine first.
     
  12. nalioth

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    . . . and turn around and haul their carcass to a safer place.

    Please provide us with any confirmed incidents where "the bad guy took out the open carriers first in the commission of a crime".

    I've got quite a few confirmed reports of criminals moving on to a softer target after seeing open carriers at their original intended target.


    Otherwise, your statement is perpetuating a myth.
     
  13. mykeal

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    Show me.
     
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    Somebody might think you were on your way to a reenactment. They'd wonder where was the rest of your costume.
     
  16. JEB

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    wear some boots and a hat and nobody will think twice. you will have to deal with all the kids who want mom to take their picture with the "walmart cowboy":D
     
  17. Pulp

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    " i think that anybody with half a brain would at least realize that they should learn to behave themselves or risk getting blown away. "

    Unfortunately there's a whole bunch of folks out there with less than half a brain. Or a half brain stoked up on meth. Yeah, I reckon a Walker would take care of the problem though.
     
  18. SAA

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    Sure. I used to open carry my 1858 Remington clone right past the police department while riding my bike to my friends house when I was fifteen or sixteen years old. Uncapped it was legally "unloaded". That's the legal way to transport a cap-and-ball on a bicycle, right?:D
     
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  19. BHP FAN

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    with this lil' guy, you wouldn't have to OPEN carry...
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  20. BlackPowderSmoke

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    I live in an open carry state but usually only open carry on private property. I usually have at least one 58 Remmy strapped on. On one particular night, I had a plain steel 58 riding in a shoulder holster when I nearly encountered an armed robbery suspect. I say nearly because he got the hell out of Dodge. My encounter

    Now, I ain't so confident over the matter when I consider he could have easily had the drop on me because I had no idea he was around. But that would hold true whether I was open carrying or not, black powder revolver or modern pistol.

    Few people other than law enforcement carry here in North Carolina, so I am certain I was mistaken for a cop. While fleeing, he encountered my nephew and told him he didn't want any trouble, he was just trying to get away from the law. My nephew called the law, US Marshals were crawling the area minutes later. Until the call, his trail was cold.

    I also think the size of the revolver was a factor in his deciding to retreat. I doubt he had an idea of whether it was modern or not. The Remmy design is somewhat modern anyway. He must have mistaken me for Dirty Harry, coming after him, alone, with a cannon...
     
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    I'm with RDStrain 49 I always open carry on horse back and most of the time its my Uberti 1858.
     
  22. ElvinWarrior

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    That does it... I'm so jealous of these guys riding around on their horses, carrying their pistol and rifles I could just crap BRICKS...

    I'ma doin it, I've been a thinkin on it for years, and years, and now I'ma gunna do it.

    Sell EVERYTHING...
    Get the HELL OUT OF Los Angeles
    Homestead a place up Alaska way
    A Gun, A Horse, An Axe, A Knife, A Hatchet, And a Fry Pan.

    Thats All I will need.

    Sincerely,

    ElvinWarrior... aka... Dave, "EW"
     
  23. MCgunner

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    Well, in Alaska, be sure you have a gelding to ride. If he ain't, he will be, freeze his cojones off up there. :D
     
  24. mykeal

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    Your citations are much like those available from Michigan Open Carry - they collect those events that support only their point of view, which makes perfect sense. Since I don't oppose the right to open carry - in fact, I support it - I don't collect incident reports in opposition. I have no intention of providing ammunition to those opposed to open carry, so even if I had such information I wouldn't do so.

    I simply rely on what I believe I would do in a similar situation. It just makes sense to me that if I were intent on using a firearm to rob someone or someplace, I'd identify threats and plan to nullify them - in other words, if I saw someone carrying a gun, I'd shoot him first. It's true that some miscreants would back off, but others wouldn't and it's those who won't that pose a real threat. To say, as I infer from your statement, that none of those braver BG's exist and that the mere sighting of a gun is enough to always cause the bad guy to flee seems to me illogical, so why give them the advantage when they are present?

    If the better argument is determined by who can post the most media and blog reports, I will concede. But can you really be certain that all the bad guys react as claimed in a collection of clippings from an organization with a specific view point?

    Edit: Originally I wasn't going to get into the cases you cited, feeling that the old, 'I can post more stories than you can' issue was more important to address. But, in retrospect I feel it's important to at least point out that there's another side to consider in each case.

    First, the Waffle House in Georgia: when confronted by the police, the BG's in the car said they were waiting to rob the restaurant but changed their minds upon finding out that some customers were armed. Maybe that's true. And it's also possible that they told the cops that simply to avoid prosecution for attempted armed robbery. Am I to believe that armed robbers suddenly become completely honest about their intentions when confronted by law enforcement?

    Second, the VCDL member in his bank: the robber came in, looked around the bank and then fled. It's speculation that he changed his mind because of the VDCL member's open carry of his 1911. We don't even know if he actually saw the gun. And if you read the entire thread, post #22 contains a description of a situation where the person carrying openly did not deter the assault, and was in fact the target of the assault. True, he was not shot, but he was targeted; the robber chose to disarm him instead, but can you count on all BG's making that decision? I think not.

    Finally, the 1875 Remington: A robber enters a store and immediately shoots the store owner/clerk; he's eventually mortally wounded by a citizen who happens to be open carrying. Again, there's no evidence the BG saw the citizen's gun but chose to attack the store owner first. I maintain that he (the BG) made the assumption the owner might have a gun behind the counter and chose to neutralize that probable threat without knowing about the citizen's gun. In fact, the evidence is clear that he was not aware of the citizen's gun because he (the BG) did not react to the citizen until after the citizen had drawn and confronted the BG. I maintain that if the BG had been aware of the citizen's gun, he (the BG) would have shot him (the citizen) first because he was the more immediate threat; it was only speculation that caused him to shoot the store owner. In this case the open carry simply wasn't a factor one way or the other, as the BG wasn't aware of it.

    So your three citations make no case for open carry that I can see. Again, I'm all in favor of the right to carry, openly or concealed. But you make your choices based on common sense, and it's just common sense to me that if you encounter a BG that's going to shoot, the person posing the biggest threat is going to be the first target. I don't for a minute claim that the sight of an armed citizen will not deter many would-be robbers, but there are certainly many who will press ahead and make that citizen their first victim. If you don't mind, I'll just choose not to make myself that target.
     
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  25. MrWesson

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    I have yet to hear of a case of an OCer being targeted(other than LEO).

    If I am a criminal and I walk into a place with the intent to rob it(most dont run in with a gun) and see a OCer it puts me in a tough place.

    My 2 choices are
    Make the jump from robbery to murder someone and risk getting shot myself

    Move on to the next place

    Criminals aren't the brightest bunch but I would guess basic self preservation would take over. If its a rare mass shooting then id agree bullets are coming your way or it may deter the perp to pick a "better day" its hard to say for sure.
     
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