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Leafy Cronmer

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Have you or would you purchase a higher priced firearm from a local dealer over a big box store, or large online shop? With the intent to support a local small business.

I understand the current economic times could affect peoples answers to this question, but i would like to see if people would pay a little more to support local small business's. Also if yes, whats the most in price difference you could justify.
 
Mm, JUST for supporting local? No.

But, if they have good sales-people, and provide good service? Definitly.

I won't pay 10% more because the guy that owns the shop is local, just because he's local. But, I will (and do) pay more for guns from local shops, if the people that work the counter know what they're talking about, are actually willing to talk to you, and actually are willing to help you out wherever they can, I think it's by far worth going through them as opposed to a big-box store, even if it does cost a bit extra.
 
I have to agree with N003K. I've dealt with a small locally owned gun shop a couple of times. Their prices on used guns and new large caliber rifles tend to be a bit higher than what you'll find at the online shops or big stores, but their service is top notch, most of the employees are gun enthusiasts who know their business, their layaway plan is awesome, and now and then you'll find a real bargain in there. I almost bought a brand new DPMS 6.8mm AP4 carbine they had for $675 awhile back, but I was looking for something in a larger caliber and talked myself out of it. Their prices on new handguns are usually $50 to $100 less than other gun shops in the area and often beat the bigger and online stores by $20-$30. I'll go there first next time I'm in the market for a new gun.
 
You bet I think the big stores that buy in the thousands but still make a bigger profit. while providing little if any customer service don't deserve the sale as much as the local gun shop who buy from wholesellers instead of manufacturers. Local are usually more knowledgable and willing to help and advise rather than take a number and get in line. The last time I was in the Springfield @&& pro Emporium I was told "I don't try to keep track of all the different models just tell me what you want and I'll look it up on the inventory list.
Hell yes I support the local who volunteers to send a gun for service when it's clearly not anywhere near the purchase date or their fault. I haven't been downtown to big store in 10 years.
 
Out of principle of buying from one shop that has given me great deals on most everything, YES... If they can get something that I want but have to charge slightly more than another shop, I will still give them my business. One item out of 30 that i have to pay an extra 20 bucks for is well worth the hundreds of dollar I have saved otherwise by purchasing from them.

As to choosing them over big box, well it isnt a secret that many of those big box stores have inferior products AND do not stand behind the items they sell..

As to buying local. Somehow most seem to miss the fact that anything purchased online will require payment, shipping payment, transfer fees, and then may not be what was advertised. Dont get me wrong. If I am looking for something that is an overall difficult gun to find, I will look where I must and do what i must to get it. If, however, it is something that is not so difficult to find, the price of convenience is worth it to me... I dont see the point in purchasing a gun online for say 400 bucks, spending another 20 (ish) for shipping, and another 25 for transfer after waiting a couple weeks for the thing to be shipped whenthehellever when I could walk into my local shop and buy the same gun for 450 and leave.
 
Over here, a local smaller shop has lower prices than the "big box" store, Academy. All of the local Academy's stuff is overpriced, not to mention they won't sell AR-type rifles or pistol-grip shotguns to anyone under 21. So that's reason enough for them to not get my business. If that's how they feel about it, I'll spend my hard-earned cash somewhere that knows that the law is "18 for rifles and shotguns and 21 for pistols", not "18 for rifles and shotguns, 21 for pistols and other guns we think look menacing".

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Yes.

For one thing, I want to handle the weapon first, not just one like it. Factory production allows too many variables. Hitches in the gitalong of the trigger pull are a BIG issue here. Ever priced a trigger job? I buy guns that don't usually need trigger work. How about loose fitting pf parts? Hammers that hit the frame or slide before hitting the firing pin. Gaps where gaps should not be. Ill-fitting grips is another big one. Improperly timed revolvers; I have handled quite a few new revolvers, mostly S&W, that would not pass the inspection procedures in the sticky post on revolvers. I could go on and on. Many of the laments I see here on THR, and elsewhere, regarding fit, finish, or functioning of firearms, would have been discovered during a pre-purchase inspection.

If a firearm is made of blued steel and walnut, or is not blued but does have wood grips,or especially a long gun with a wood stock, I want to see the figure and grain in the wood. This is not just for the sake of appearance. The direction of the grain in a buttstock can affect the likelihood of a split occurring if a working gun falls and lands on the heel or toe of the stock.

Losses/damage during shipping. I sometimes feel jinxed regarding the gorillas that used to work for Samsonite, and now work for UPS and Fedex. Yes, I know there are remedies, but with those remedies come headaches. My time is work something.

Layaways. I only know of one on-line dealer that will let me layaway a firearm. (There may be others.) My usual local dealer has three-month layaways, which can be arranged as longer for higher-end firearms, for regular customers. Moreover, if something better comes along, during the layaway, I have been allowed to transfer the amount paid on the first firearm, to the second, without penalty. Another local dealer has ten-month layaways.

Another factor is that local dealers will often discount prices for returning customers, or allow quite high prices on trades, for returning customers. Once, I was even allowed FULL credit when trading a firearm that I purchased pre-owned, and only fired a few times. This is what you can get with an ongoing, working relationship with your local dealer.

I have seen customers handle a firearm at a local dealer, ask questions, sometimes even ask for a demonstration of stripping the weapon, taking up quite a bit of an employee's time, and then be overheard, while leaving, that they are going to order the weapon from an online dealer. Sorry if I am going to step on any toes here, but I consider that unfair abuse of the local dealer, and abuse of the customers who waited while the demonstration was ongoing. Minor abuse, but still unfair. I used to work retail in another field, and knew how I felt when asked to demo a quite complicated set-up, only to be told thanks, or perhaps not even be thanked, and then overhear the customers indicating they were headed for a discount store. When I walk into a full-service establishment, I know the price of the merchandise is a reflection of the higher cost of employing experienced, knowledgeable folks, who have the higher salaries that come with seniority and experience.

I have also known a different local dealer to bypass the warranty of a defective weapon, exchanging it on the spot, and dealing with the warranty issues and shipping on his dime and time.

Will I pay ridiculously high local prices? No. Do I have a set percentage that will stimulate me to order from a distant dealer? No.
 
There is a local shop here that at the peak of the frenzy these last few yrs was holding their prices for RR AR's to $1000-$1100 and DPMS from $850-$1000 depending on model. They kept primmers for regular customers and didn't gouge and often sell a used gun for a % profit rather than what the list value is.
I can't imagine buying a gun online unless the price was well below value and that in its self would raise questions. No I'll stick with guns I can hold in my hands before I buy unless it is from a small handful of those I would trust to make that call for me.
 
I'll pay more locally within reason. If it's $20-$30 more, sure why not? I definately like to support the local small business guy. I've been there. Any more than that and I have to remind myself that I'm a full time student and need to be smart about it.
 
Paying a bit more. . . .

Firearms in general are so much more complex and capable than in WW2 and prior that I can no longer call myself a well informed customer. But I have what's really only an intuition that well informed purchasers go to technically competent shops and the unsophisticated go off to the big-box store to buy what the ads have said is a rilly rilly good piece.

When I began messing with guns after many decades of uninvolvement that long preceded my coming to Northern Virginia I had the good fortune to drop into Virginia Arms in Manassas where Bernie Conatser has assembled an ample and knowledgeable staff. Except for enjoying Clark Brothers' shop near Warrenton I've seen lttle reason to go elsewhere.

It's said that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king and I'm most pleased that I at least had sufficient wisdom to acknowledge my "vision" problem. I truly don't know whether it costs me somewhat more. It might be that Bernie doesn't need to let a flock of chattering shareholders bother him about increased quarter-over-quarter earnings.
 
Every store, no matter how big or small is local to someone. If small shops can't compete pricewise, or make up for a small difference in price with superior service they deserve to get left behind. Thats how it works.
 
I also would pay a little more for good service and knowledgeable sales people, qualities which are often lacking at big chain stores. If I can get those qualities for a lower price from a big store (rare) I would happily shop there.
 
Definitely would buy local for a little more. I believe in supporting small business, be it hardware, grocery, guns or anything else I need. Now if the store has been known to "hose" consumers by taking advantage of market conditions, I'll not. I'm all for free enterprise, but the local business' sales price should be based on the store's procurement cost plus a fair mark up, not what the market will bear.
 
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Yes, and I do, as long as they offer something above an online store. That means knowledgeable sales people and items in stock (or the ability to get the item in a short period of time).
 
I try to support the local guys when possible But some small shops around here are beyond help.
I recently bought A Marlin 336SS. 2 local gunshops had them in stock for $650. Dicks had 1 in stock for $499. Sorry I can't help them out that much.
One of those same stores had Rem core loct 30-30 for $32. Per box. Dicks price $14.
 
I have a pretty good deal worked out with my FFL dealer. I find the best price I can and he matches it, that usually means I pay more simply because of taxes, but he makes more than he would if he just did a transfer. Saves me a little hassle and makes him a little more cash, it works out wel for both of us I guess. But to simply answer your question, Yes I would buy locally and pay more to support the economic development of the community, now how much more would depend on various other factors.
 
Yes I would. Sometimes it is difficult but overall it is worth it. I like the fact that unlike Academy I can take my newly purchased firearm to them and get it exchanged, should something be wrong with the firearm. Academy makes you send it to the factory. My gunshop will have the gunsmith look at it and fix it or give me a new one if it takes more than 3 days to fix. They take responsibility and deal with the manufacturer instead of me. The gunsmith at the gunshop has given me warne rings for free for my savage 110 simply because I had him work on a couple of my 1911's. I bought a 513T from them and the owner waived his consignment fee as a discount for me since he was selling it for someone else. I have purchased used firearms from him and I like the fact that if after a year I am not happy with the firearm I can return it for a gun of similar value or pay the difference . I like the personal touches of that business. Academy has maybe one knowledgeable person on their staff and not some college bound student that had only read the brochures but still does not know how to break apart a 1911, or a glock. I like to think of the extra money I pay as nothing more than personal insurance and I feel great about it.
 
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If there's some perceived value for the price hike, yes. Otherwise, no. It's the free market after all.

BTW, it's really not hard to add value to a big box store or online gun sale in my eyes. Have a well trained, educated and friendly staff and make it easy and fun to do business with (ie, no price gouging - that's a real turn off), and I'll go along with it.
 
I don't really like the idea of paying more for the same good or service simply because the person is local. I will shop the local guys and if they have something that is a good deal or have something I need right now, then I have no problem doing business with them.

Funny thing, I have noticed that local gun shops don't give any discounts to local customers just because they are local. They may give crony discounts to their buddies, but that isn't the same thing. I don't have the time or inclination to go hang out in the gun shop and drink coffee with the owner in order to earn a crony discount.

I do believe in supporting the local little guy as well, but it is a two way street and the little guy needs to work a little harder to support me as well. I need to get some value out of paying higher prices. When it comes to buying cases of ammo or expensive guns, do you really want to end up paying a couple hundred dollars more to subsidize the guy simply because he is local?

One of those same stores had Rem core loct 30-30 for $32. Per box. Dicks price $14.
Just imagine what the savings are if you buy it buy the case! I don't recall, but a case is 10 boxes, I believe. That would be a savings of $180. I am not sure where there is $180 of value being added by shopping the local guy.

One funny thing I have noticed about some of the local gun shops is that they often have a booth at the local gun shows. Funny how they are much more willing to sell their guns and supplies at a lower price at the gun show than in their own shops. It seems they are willing to give customers a better price when they know the customers have the easy option of walking across the room to buy from another vendor, but don't give customers the same deal when the competition isn't around.

It is a shame I don't have shops around me like Rexter does that will go above and beyond the manufacturer's warranty. In the two cases I have had problems with guns purchased from the local shops, they didn't treat me any better than a box store. It just wasn't their problem and I "really need to contact the manufacturer."
 
I have two gunshops in my area. One is a smaller store that has a pretty good inventory, but the owner is an arrogant total jerk and never charges even one red cent under MSRP. I havent been in there for two or three years and would not buy anything from him if he was giving it away.

The other one is a larger store with an excellent inventory with lots of used guns. The manager is a really nice guy who will deal a little and if he doesnt have what you want he will get it for you ricky tick. I go in there a couple times a week and will buy from him before I will mail order on most things.


I will still mail order if I find something I want that is not likely to be found locally, or if the item is WAY under what the local guy would charge.
 
Mm, JUST for supporting local? No.

But, if they have good sales-people, and provide good service? Definitly.

I won't pay 10% more because the guy that owns the shop is local, just because he's local. But, I will (and do) pay more for guns from local shops, if the people that work the counter know what they're talking about, are actually willing to talk to you, and actually are willing to help you out wherever they can, I think it's by far worth going through them as opposed to a big-box store, even if it does cost a bit extra.


+1 on this, will pay a $25 FFL fee at the "good" gunstore, the staff there whom I trust, rather than a $20 FFL fee at the "Bubbahed up" gun store, where they are fat, lazy and know nothing, and well, you can't trust..
 
Have you or would you purchase a higher priced firearm from a local dealer over a big box store, or large online shop? With the intent to support a local small business.
Yes, I buy quite a few guns from a small local store. In almost every case I could have waited and bought the gun for less at a gun show.
 
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