I find it hard to believe that any black bear attacked after being shot at. I have scared one up at a couple of feet even and they just run. They don't wait around to be shot at again. Even following a wounded black bear is pretty safe as they just want to get away from you. They compare to a white tail deer when hunting them.
Wounded Black Bear attacks hunter, hunter responds with .45
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Vern Humphrey
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Not long ago, we had a case in Arkansas where someone shot a bear with a .22, and the bear took time out of his busy schedule to educate the fool.
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Yeah, seriously. The topic sentence of this thread is "bear survived hit with .338, so what handgun is good for bear"(??!!)
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usmc1371
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I guess I am glad the two black bears I have shot both died within a few feet of where they were standing. I take fallowing ANY wounded animal very seriously esp one that is armed well enough to make a meal out of me. I carry my 1911 when I am hunting most of the time but if a bear has me on the menue it will be holsterd until 300wm runs dry. I think any side arm is better than NO side arm but if its your ONLY weapon you probably should choose one more suited to the task at hand ie ( I's going to track a bear that brushed off a shot from a "338" should I grab a gun I would actuly use to hunt said bear or my LAMA compact 45?). Seriously if one of my firends calls me and says he hit a bear with a reasonable cal rifle and needs help tracking it I'm taking the cz 375, besides when else would I have a reason to carry a 375 in oregon.
benEzra
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I sense a new thread coming on...
"Which Car for Bear? Mazda vs. Buick"
I can't tell, but is that an extended magazine release on that pistol, or a stock release?
If it's an extended release, I suppose this would be a good argument against extended mag releases on defensive guns...
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paintballdude902
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what part of nc?
around here that tends to be a little above average
they say that witht he warmer temps here the bear are bigger since they dont hybernate
Double Naught Spy
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"These dudes with pistolas" where therefore hunters if they were going after a wounded bear.
Something to get straight here. This bear didn't attack the hunters. This bear was defending itself against the hunters. If we changed the story to show that these were people and that the bear was a good guy who had been shot and was being pursued by bad guys, his use of lethal force against them would have been considered defensive.
People will call this a bear attack, but it is nothing more than a bear defense against more numerous forces who had guns and were trying to kill it.
Vern Humphrey
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Ascribing human characteristics to non-humans is called "the pathetic fallacy."
The bear is not human. It is a wild animal, and given the population density of both bears and humans, bears have to be hunted. Leaving a wounded animal -- especially a dangerous animal -- is not ethical. Hunters have a duty to hunt down and dispatch animals in this condition.
The bear is not human. It is a wild animal, and given the population density of both bears and humans, bears have to be hunted. Leaving a wounded animal -- especially a dangerous animal -- is not ethical. Hunters have a duty to hunt down and dispatch animals in this condition.
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And if we changed the story to show that these were marshmallows and that the bear was a campfire that had been started by Boy Scouts, we could have s'mores and a singalong.
Double Naught Spy
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No, that is an officer's model. You won't get a much shorter barrel on a 1911 or shorter grip. Talk about the WRONG GUN for the job. And it is a Llama on top of that. Llamas are not exactly known for outstanding quality control.
I like sing-alongs, thank you. However, the notion that the bear attacked the hunters is pretty lame and seems to indicate that that bear is the aggressor in this story when in fact it was the other way around. Somebody shot a bear and wasn't able to kill it and so a bunch of yahoo "hunters" went after it and stupidly let the bear get the upper hand because they weren't prepared and made bad choices.
The bear didn't attack these hunters anymore than a CCW person shooting at a bad guy coming after him with a deadly weapon "attacked" the bad guy.
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Blue .45 said:
I dont rcall what thread it was, but one member on this board is a hunting guide and took some out of state hunters on numerous hunting trips. they were trying to hunt black bear with .45's. Most took 3 or 4 shots, if i remember correctly, to bring down a tree'd bear.
Personally, the .45 is better than shaking a stick, but id take a full framed 10mm or a magnum caliber revolver. I would take bear mace over a compact .45.
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So I take it you have something against s'mores.
1911Tuner
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Ai'ght! You owe me one shorted out keyboard...
Black bears can be pretty cantankerous, depending on the circumstances...and are perfectly capable of ruining your day. Shooting a large one in a non-vital place is a little like kickin' Rocky Marciano on the shin. You haven't hurt him much, but you've surely got his attention.
For my 2% of a buck...tracking a wounded bear...any wounded bear over 150 pounds...with a handgun below .454 Casull power level is idiocy. Machismo like that will get a mudhole stomped in ya right quick.
Vern Humphrey
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Now that we've had our daily dose of political correctness, can we go back to the discussion at hand?
1911Tuner
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Much as I agree...he's technically correct. If they hadn't been out there dinkin' around with the bear, they wouldn't have been attacked. I will never get shark bit, 'cause me an' the sharks got us an agreement. I don't get in the ocean, and they don't come into my yard.
Playin' witcha, Vern. I'm in a weird frame of mind today...
xXxplosive
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This doesn't surprise me at all............did much bear hunting in '71, '72 in Northern Maine....most bear guides will tell you, if you don't kill the bear with the first shot, you will be emptying the magazine into him. And I refering here to rifles not handguns. Bears have a massive adrennelin surge when injured and can absorb a huge amount of lead to put them down unless you hit the brain or spine.
Once shot a bear running broad side about 25 ' away with a Marlin 444 Cal. lever action rifle....took out his liver and intestines which were on the ground.
The bear still had enough strength to go up a mountain and into his bear den/cave where we finally found him dead and dragged him out. Had to plug the gapping wound with a folded tree branch to carry him out.
Just an amazing amount of strength displayed by that animal.....
Once shot a bear running broad side about 25 ' away with a Marlin 444 Cal. lever action rifle....took out his liver and intestines which were on the ground.
The bear still had enough strength to go up a mountain and into his bear den/cave where we finally found him dead and dragged him out. Had to plug the gapping wound with a folded tree branch to carry him out.
Just an amazing amount of strength displayed by that animal.....
Double Naught Spy
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What political correctness? I am just talking about a matter of correct terminology. It would be no different than somebody calling that Llama pistol a .45 Colt lever gun, which it obviously isn't.
And since we are on the topic of correctness, the pathetic fallacy is not the attribution of human characteristics to animals, but to inanimate or non-living objects, which the bear is not (at least while it was alive).
Nobody suggested leaving the bear as wounded. After the bear was wounded by the hunters, the hunters pressed their attack on the bear, apparently in a stupid fashion with less than adequate weaponry and situational awareness and one got hurt as a result of the bear protecting itself from its attackers.
Bears are "dangerous game" for a reason. I am not surprised that the bear absorbed that kind of lead and kept coming. In a do or die scenario we are talking seconds. Most likely that bear was a dead man walking, but in the 10 or so seconds it had left...
1911Tuner
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Yep. In 10 seconds, a wounded, enraged bear can completly wreck the future quality of your life.
3 rounds from a 45 is not exactly a lot of lead when you are a bear.
I think the results of a necropsy would be very valuable in determining what wounds this bear actually suffered prior to being shot in the head at point blank range with a 44 mag.
Personally I tend to believe that other than the 44 mag stomach shot this bear was not hurting too bad.
You can say... "the bear was shot in the shoulder with a .338, and 3 times with a 45 ACP, but until you know where the bullets really hit, and if the shots were solid shots it is all meaningless. Did they find any entry/ exit wounds minus the 2 44 mag hits?
Bottom line is 45 ACP & anything with bear in it just sounds stupid to me. 45 ACP is notorious for not penetrating body armor. Anything in the ballistic world inferior to a 357 Mag should not even be considered for big game "defense".
I'm not saying a clip of 45 ACP would not do the trick, but is there a good reason not to carry a 44 mag if a pistol is going to be your big game defense weapon? Personally, I would rather have a 12 gauge with some SSTs in the tube, but you can bet your buttocks my sidearm will be a redhawk with 6 in the cylinder.
I think the results of a necropsy would be very valuable in determining what wounds this bear actually suffered prior to being shot in the head at point blank range with a 44 mag.
Personally I tend to believe that other than the 44 mag stomach shot this bear was not hurting too bad.
You can say... "the bear was shot in the shoulder with a .338, and 3 times with a 45 ACP, but until you know where the bullets really hit, and if the shots were solid shots it is all meaningless. Did they find any entry/ exit wounds minus the 2 44 mag hits?
Bottom line is 45 ACP & anything with bear in it just sounds stupid to me. 45 ACP is notorious for not penetrating body armor. Anything in the ballistic world inferior to a 357 Mag should not even be considered for big game "defense".
I'm not saying a clip of 45 ACP would not do the trick, but is there a good reason not to carry a 44 mag if a pistol is going to be your big game defense weapon? Personally, I would rather have a 12 gauge with some SSTs in the tube, but you can bet your buttocks my sidearm will be a redhawk with 6 in the cylinder.
Well the first round was (I reckon) a decent enough hit to put the bear in SHOCK so that the .45 rounds didn't have any discernible effect.
My experience is that when you shoot and animal and it charges follow up shots that are not to bones (hips, collar / shoulder areas) or the central nervous system do not have much effect.
When Hog hunting and you shoot hog and he runs into bushes you usually wait 30 min or so to go and get him. The reason is that the shot you made "killed" the hog, but the bloody hog didn't get the memo yet. Same with bears. I usually carry a sidearm for that purpose. Thick brush and rifles do not always go together. Throw in a sling and it is double trouble.
Unless I am going for LARGE hogs, I carry whatever I feel like on the day of the hunt. Usually it is a .357, but it has been a .44 / .22 / 9mm / .45 / .38 in the past. They all served fine for the INTENDED purpose of side arm. The only handguns I would HUNT with are the .357 and 44
My experience is that when you shoot and animal and it charges follow up shots that are not to bones (hips, collar / shoulder areas) or the central nervous system do not have much effect.
When Hog hunting and you shoot hog and he runs into bushes you usually wait 30 min or so to go and get him. The reason is that the shot you made "killed" the hog, but the bloody hog didn't get the memo yet. Same with bears. I usually carry a sidearm for that purpose. Thick brush and rifles do not always go together. Throw in a sling and it is double trouble.
Unless I am going for LARGE hogs, I carry whatever I feel like on the day of the hunt. Usually it is a .357, but it has been a .44 / .22 / 9mm / .45 / .38 in the past. They all served fine for the INTENDED purpose of side arm. The only handguns I would HUNT with are the .357 and 44
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