Wounding details of local shooting - .45

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I have a doctor friend here in Waco. The other day he walked into his exam room and asked the patient what was wrong and the patient told him he'd been shot and asked him hadn't he seen it on the news? When he told me where and when I actually had seen it on the news.

Just thought ya'll might be interested in the details.

The gun was a .45 and I don't know what make or model. I also don't know what kind of ammo or whether the bullets were hp, lead or jacketed. My guess from the results is plain lead.

The shooter stood in front of the victim's car and shot through the windshield. He was right there at the front bumper, very close (which begs the question "WHY DIDN'T YOU HIT THE GAS, DUDE?!")

The first shot went into the fleshy part of the victim's upper right arm. It went below the bone and did not hit any arteries. Just muscle and tissue. The bullet stopped under the skin on the back side of his arm and did not exit.

The victim then turned away from the shooter and the next two entered his upper left back shoulder blade area. One of them stopped and lodged right there and the second one made a right turn and shot over and hit one of his vertebra and then continued traveling under the skin and stopped without exiting over on his right side back. I believe the vertebra was slightly fractured. All bullets are still in the kid mostly right under the skin. I think doctors typically leave those kinds of subcutaneous bullets right there unless they start causing problems.

I say "kid" but he is legally an adult but still a teen.

Just thought ya'll might be interested in details. I try to get my doctor friends to tell me details of any gunshot wounds they come across. Of course they don't give me details of the victim's name or anything!

I was guessing that the bullets were lead because none of them exited and I would think that if they were jacketed solids they would have exited. I was also thinking that if they were JHPs they would have caused more damage. I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing heavy clothing as it's been hot here lately.

Oh and the victim was treated and released from the emergency room. He said that it hurt a little but not that bad.
 
Obviously the bullets were slowed by the windshield. Yes use the car as a weapon !!
 
Why wouldn't they just make in incision and take out the bullet? Especially if it is right under the skin?
 
Maybe they lost their jacket going through the windshield? Windshield glass is apparently one of the tougher things for pistol ammo to get through and retain lethal energy.
 
He just went in, got treated, and left? In most places, doctors are required to involve the police when someone shows up with gunshot wounds.

Now, if it had been a 9mm, those bullets would've...oh, never mind :evil:
 
He just went in, got treated, and left? In most places, doctors are required to involve the police when someone shows up with gunshot wounds.

The police had already been involved.

brad cook
 
Why wouldn't they just make in incision and take out the bullet? Especially if it is right under the skin?

I can't remember why but apparently it's standard practice to leave them unless they start causing problems.

brad cook
 
Not according to the docs I know that shoot. Whether or not a bullet is left in depends on a variety of factors. Would the surgery put the patient in greater risk than the bullet? This applies to things like torso shots. If the bullet can be readily extracted, they take it out. A 'just under the skin' slug can be removed with a local anesthetic, small incision, and then stitches, staples, or glue to close the wound. These are easy removals. The difficult removals are when the slugs or fragments are located near important tissues such as blood supply, nerve bundles, heart, lung, etc. and the doc has to go through a lot of tissue, around organs, etc. to get to the deeply embedded slug.
 
Like all these kids that get shot with a .22 and they now have a permanent souvenir in their thigh.

"Hey, wanna see where I got shot? The bullet is still in there." :rolleyes:
 
Through glass at sharp angles, the hollow point cavity of bullets can be completely or partially closed, and sometimes with the softer bullets they are ripped off. So performance isnt that impressive. They also tend to have less energy than round nose bullets becuase it takes more energy to get through a windsheild, along with the loss of weight.

Thanks for the post. Keep us up to date on any other shooting that happen.
 
hmm.....

Man allegedly shoots would-be burglars
Updated: May 23, 2005 5:37pm

Was it self-defense or vigilante justice? Police say a man shot two burglars who broke into his house Monday morning.

It happened at North 18th and Cumberland in Waco. After two unarmed men broke into a house there, police say the man who lived drove up and shot both of them. When they ran away, he started shooting their car.

One of the shooting victims was found in a nearby alley. Neighbor Alma McDonald saw him collapse.

"He leaned back and he just laid there, and he put his hand on his heart, like he might have had a heart attack or something," she says.

Another victim ran to a nearby muffler shop, where employees gave him first-aid.

Employee Jason Cornett says, "Gentleman came running down and just hollering for help, holding his chest, said he'd been shot. So we called for 911."

We attempted to get the homeowner's side of things, but got no answer at his door.

There is a state law allowing you to shoot burglars under limited circumstances. Investigators are trying to figure out if it applies in this case. Both suspect were unarmed.

Waco Police Sgt. Ryan Holt says, "To use deadly force, even in Texas, you have to feel like you're in imminent fear of bodily injury or death or you're protecting your property at night."

The burglary suspects be charged when they get out of the hospital. As for the man who allegedly shot them, the District Attorney will decide whether he'll face charges. The man has no prior criminal record.

http://www.kcentv.com/news/c-article.php?cid=1&nid=7118
 
It must not have been a "real" .45, everyone knows that a real .45 loaded with hardball will knock a man 10 feet into the air and blow him in half.....
 
Only problem I can see here is that the criminal dirtbags are still alive.

I don't know why Drizzt was posting that unrelated article but it's not the shooting that this person was involved in. This person was not engaged in criminal behavior to anyone's knowledge.

brad cook
 
Keep us up to date on any other shooting that happen.

I think I may have posted about another one here before that one of my doctor friends treated.

A woman was shot in the stomach point blank with a .25. The bullet lodged in her fat and circled around to her side and stopped there. The woman was very skinny so there really wasn't a lot of fat to lodge into but it did nevertheless.

brad cook
 
Digme is right

I have one in my chest from 30 some years ago and after getting an X ray each year for 10 years, I even quite getting that done.
I very seldom feel the damm thing in there.
 
A .45?!? I thought that all criminals were going berserk with evil, car piercing, legal .50 BMG's!

I'm quite sure he had one of those stuffed in his sock as backup.

brad cook
 
"Now, if it had been a 9mm, those bullets would've...oh, never mind :evil:"

would've penetrated the glass like it wasn't there, killing the guy where he sat?
 
I'll agree with the posters who chalk this up to having gone through the windshield first. Windshield glass is pretty refractory (due the angle and curve), pretty hard (due to the glass), and pretty tough (due to the plastic annealed into it), all at the same time. I'd imagine the first shot loses a lot of energy penetrating the windshield, and that its direction on the other side would be fairly unpredictable...though I'd suspect follow-up shots aren't as affected, since the structure of the glass has already been compromised.

Actually, as I'm thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a .22LR pistol couldn't reliably hole a windshield. Though I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it could, either.

Anyone shot a .22 at a windshield and have an answer? Anyone want to go try it out for me?
 
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