wow, gun prices really going down

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I shopped a few gun shops locally today and was pleasently surprised at how low the prices have gotten on a lot of popular carry guns. One shop had New LC9's for $279. Another shop had TCPs for $199. The last shop had Kahr CW/CM pistols in all calibers for $350.

I remember paying $500 for my first XD now everybody around here has them for $399.

I hope this is a developing trend.
 
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plastic goes down, metal goes up

i wonder is it has anything to do with quality, perceived or otherwise?
 
Glock 21

In 1993 I bought a .45 ACP with two 13 round mags. I could have sold it for a profit @ $600 in 2000. Then of all the things I never thought I'd live to see happened: A weapons ban expired! And since then the prices have been falling.

Mine is now outdated as it does not have the two groves in the frame to support add-ons. Some potential buyers have derided it so much, I am wondering if the bullets still come out the barell. I might get $300 if I am lucky now.
 
That's because Walmart just started carrying Bushmaster

Not really, they would be priced at $899 if that was true. I can build an AR 15 for less than $600 and buy a complete for $700.
 
Actually many guns are still priced above real value.


I don't know when you started paying attention.
Gun prices shot through the roof in 2008-2009 as it became clear Obama was likely to be President, and then when it became clear he would be President.

There was very real reason to be concerned, one only needed to look at the candidate's record, voting for every single gun control measure ever proposed as far back as you could look, and even being on the board of directors of one of the major anti-gun groups.


Scary looking rifles began to sell for double and then triple their actual values. Guns that could be found used for half of their market value by those looking suddenly sold new for triple their value and used for only slightly less.


Many people who never owned a firearm before didn't understand the likely targets either and ran out to purchase even guns unlikely to be part of any new restrictions, before it was too late.
Handguns flew off the racks, and also were going for way over prior market value. Many new first time gun buyers wanted a handgun, before it was too late, which of course made no sense to those who actually knew gun politics. But the market didn't have to be educated to buy, buy, buy.


Many people stocked up on tons of firearms they thought could be impacted. Some planning to make a profit on grandfathered guns (naively assuming they would both be grandfathered and transferable like in the previous federal AWB) if restrictions were passed.
Hoarders bought more guns, and of the same or similar types, than they would ever actually want themselves.
FFLs who couldn't fill demand, and could make a previous year's profit every month stocked up.

Prices went up, and buyers continued to buy more than they really needed.
Suddenly they market was overly saturated, in the middle of a down economy where much of the market didn't really have the money to be doing such things.
Gun sales slowed down.
Yet prices didn't drop like they should. Many of these people paid 2-3x actual market value of these guns, and didn't want to take a slight loss on resale, never mind the type of loss they would take selling them for pre-scare realistic values.
So many retailers and hoarders have sat on stock of guns with excessive sticker prices. Hoping with sheer will power than they can sell those guns at a profit somehow and refusing to drop prices as the market seemed to dictate. They at least wanted to break even.

The result is a lot of prices on certain types of firearms sat higher than most people would really pay for many guns for the last couple years.
This market of new gun owners though has offset this somewhat by creating more new potential gun buyers of additional firearms than existed previously.
Along with more regular buyers of ammunition than existed previously. The market is in fact larger now.
There is more regular gun browsers and potential buyers in stores than there ever used to be.
However there was still many firearms that would have to be sold at a loss or hung onto for a long time.

Well they can only hope for so long. In a downed economy holding onto product for years purchased well above what it can be sold for in the hopes it will go up in value again is difficult.
People will have to start dumping these things, and it will start with a slow slide in prices, forcing others to compete or simply not move product.
As new products are created, and sold, and retailers and prior hoarders continue to sit on old product not selling, they will have to sell at a loss to make room for the type of product they can hope to sell more frequently or be stuck with that old product taking up space.



Most 'luxury' or unnecessary items (and certainly multiple guns is not a necessity) actually have less demand than before the housing crisis and are consequently worth less (even adjusting for inflation) because most people have less disposable income.
So guns in reality should be cheaper , not even the same price. But they didn't follow the same trend and skyrocketed in demand going in the opposite direction from the rest of the market.
A market with less cash than ever, was buying several times as much of the product than ever.
It is inevitable that this river flowing upstream couldn't do so forever.
Prices still have a ways to go down before they are even at their real prices.
People who think they are seeing great deals and jump on them before they fall even further will slow the rate at which they drop, but they will likely keep dropping on certain types of firearms owned in greater numbers than there is even demand for.
 
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Geez, I don't know about that. I just searched 1911 on Gun Broker, and was amazed by how high prices seemed. Only two .45 ACP 1911s on those two pages even had one bid on them... Guess I'm not the only one thinking prices were crazy...
 
http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/Bushmas...rbine/19235996

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I know they sell them but they aren't the reason for the prices being low. That's what I meant. Prices have been coming down before they started carrying them.

In 1993 I bought a .45 ACP with two 13 round mags. I could have sold it for a profit @ $600 in 2000. Then of all the things I never thought I'd live to see happened: A weapons ban expired! And since then the prices have been falling.

Mine is now outdated as it does not have the two groves in the frame to support add-ons. Some potential buyers have derided it so much, I am wondering if the bullets still come out the barell. I might get $300 if I am lucky now.

Be proud of your Glock, it's still just as good. All it lacks is the finger grooves and I think a pin (I'm no expert on Glocks). If I ever go to buy a Glock, it will most likely be one without the finger grooves. If it really bothers you then I believe you can send it in to Glock to be upgraded.
 
Gun sales slowed down? Not recently and certainly not in Virginia.

"Nationally, a record 16.4 million firearms background checks — 1.8 million in December — took place in 2011 through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, up from 14.4 million the previous year."

Virginia set a record in December of 2011. The number I heard was over 41,000.
 
Thank you. I have no intention of selling it now. I should warn everyone not to drink beer at a gun show. After I bought the Glock, I rested at the beer garden and later paid way too much for a nickled S & W model 29.

I recently traded that closet queen for two Tauras .380 for carry work. Lost about half but I have one for me and the wife that we use.
 
Personally I think they are all over the board. I see wild price differences in the same guns at gun stores, gun shows, from private sellers, from online retailers, and gun auction sites.

We're talking 20% -50% fluctuation!!!
 
Arsenal SGL21 AK47s are still getting more expensive. They were something like $450 NIB a few years back. About six months ago, they were $750-799; now they're closer to $850 NIB.
 
There are many variables that affect the price of a firearm, e.g., prestige, popularity, production, political climate, and availability to name a few. Yes, you can get a Glock or one of its counterpart clones at a good discount from MSRP but try buying a Python, Luger, or HK and you won’t be as fortunate.

How much of a swing in price is necessary for you to finally “pull the trigger” and buy something that you want and can immediately enjoy? Ammunition cost increases will probably eat up the discount while you wait.:)
 
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