cottontoptexan
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American Quality in General
Gentlemen,
It is good to read all the fine comments on the many different pistols and especially the Norincos. I made a statement on another forum on the junky Norincos in the past and had to apologize to the gentleman lately for my short sighted comment. My knowlege of this firearm did not warrant my opinion to be accurate.
As for American quality it is still there. Companies have so many more issues to deal with than quality, like health insurance, benefits, workerman's comp etc. which the new foreign competition does not. I purchased an Auto Ordinance in 1995 wanting an American made pistol. I found out later the slide and frame were cast in Spain. I had to replace many of the parts within 2 years of casual shooting, which would have been about 1 month for anyone in the shooting sports circuit. The last hitch happened when it fired all 7 rounds without a hitch. Now this happened on 1 trigger pull. Went full auto on me at the range . Lot of slack in the parts , worn sear spring, deep grooves in the hammer and sear pins etc. Also the barrel bushing split down the side.
Maybe some of you can add to this forum but what i am seeing in the last few years (since i had spent many in manufacturing) is not so much where it is made but HOW it is made and to what specs. I can attest to this by the Jet lathe and drill press i have. Foreign made in Taiwan but the quality is excellent. I know it is a tough world now with much competition with countries which used to not be in the playing field . Somewhere down the line i guess it will all even out at sometime. Until then excercise good and safe shooting and reloading and keep the good info coming. I have learned more in a month on these forums than i could in a lifetime on my own.
I still love my 2 Colt Stainless MarkIV Series 80 guns and will probably die with them. They are reliable and well made. My Springfield Champion and Kimber Eclipse Pro II seem to be fine pistols. Only time will tell. I still have the Auto Ordinance after having many parts replaced. I guess i had it so long i just got attached to it even with the shortcomings. Thanks to all Curt in Wash State
Gentlemen,
It is good to read all the fine comments on the many different pistols and especially the Norincos. I made a statement on another forum on the junky Norincos in the past and had to apologize to the gentleman lately for my short sighted comment. My knowlege of this firearm did not warrant my opinion to be accurate.
As for American quality it is still there. Companies have so many more issues to deal with than quality, like health insurance, benefits, workerman's comp etc. which the new foreign competition does not. I purchased an Auto Ordinance in 1995 wanting an American made pistol. I found out later the slide and frame were cast in Spain. I had to replace many of the parts within 2 years of casual shooting, which would have been about 1 month for anyone in the shooting sports circuit. The last hitch happened when it fired all 7 rounds without a hitch. Now this happened on 1 trigger pull. Went full auto on me at the range . Lot of slack in the parts , worn sear spring, deep grooves in the hammer and sear pins etc. Also the barrel bushing split down the side.
Maybe some of you can add to this forum but what i am seeing in the last few years (since i had spent many in manufacturing) is not so much where it is made but HOW it is made and to what specs. I can attest to this by the Jet lathe and drill press i have. Foreign made in Taiwan but the quality is excellent. I know it is a tough world now with much competition with countries which used to not be in the playing field . Somewhere down the line i guess it will all even out at sometime. Until then excercise good and safe shooting and reloading and keep the good info coming. I have learned more in a month on these forums than i could in a lifetime on my own.
I still love my 2 Colt Stainless MarkIV Series 80 guns and will probably die with them. They are reliable and well made. My Springfield Champion and Kimber Eclipse Pro II seem to be fine pistols. Only time will tell. I still have the Auto Ordinance after having many parts replaced. I guess i had it so long i just got attached to it even with the shortcomings. Thanks to all Curt in Wash State
