ww2 machine guns to be destroyed, along with this guys rights

[dave_pro2a]

There's a man who's going to go expat as soon as he's out of prison, and rightfully so.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

Parsons, 67, was arrested July 20 after officers who stopped his moving van on Interstate 29 near Sergeant Bluff found three World War II-era machine guns -- none of which was registered -- and three hand grenades inside.

i wouldn't say he had the right to have unregistered machine guns and hand grenades.

but then again, this is THR......

 

[ctdonath]

Kindly explain what good registering them does (aside from the recursive "well then they'd be legal").
BTW: WWII was after NFA was enacted. Aside from a couple very short amnesties (which few would have known about), there was no opportunity to register them even if he wanted to.

 

[gyp_c2]

uhhhh...

...I don't remember it being a crime to register class III...I think it was the ban that stopped all that, right...I certainly remember lots available back in the 60s'...used to be able to order all sorts of surplus from magazine adds...
200. = class III dealer
200. = weapon or trigger group parts

It hasn't been that long ago...

 

[jnojr]

Come on now the guy was illegally in possession of 3 machine guns and 3 hand grenades. Like it or not he broke the law.

Rosa Parks was "in violation of the law", too. When the law is wrong, it's wrong.

 

[Stauble]

Rosa Parks was "in violation of the law", too. When the law is wrong, it's wrong.

+1

 

[nobody_special]

Kindly explain what good registering them does (aside from the recursive "well then they'd be legal").

If they had been registered, then they would have been legally owned before the 1986 ban and he wouldn't be in trouble for owning them.

But apparently they weren't registered, and the $200 tax wasn't paid. So they were not legally owned before the 1986 ban... therefore they are illegal for anyone to own now.

BTW: WWII was after NFA was enacted. Aside from a couple very short amnesties (which few would have known about), there was no opportunity to register them even if he wanted to.

Huh? That's nonsense. Automatic weapons could be legally owned in this country up until the 1986 ban (which of course had a grandfather clause, but that's not relevant here). That's 41 years after WW2 ended... all he had to do was register them, do the paperwork and pay the $200 tax. But once the 1986 ban was passed, those machine guns became illegal for anyone to own... only guns which were legally owned before 1986 were grandfathered.

 

[GRIZ22]

Quote:

Rosa Parks was "in violation of the law", too. When the law is wrong, it's wrong.

It's easy to jump on the Civil Rights bandwagon but what Rosa Parks did and what this guy did are two different things.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

It's easy to jump on the Civil Rights bandwagon but what Rosa Parks did and what this guy did are two different things.

Rosa Parks sat on a bus. this moron had unregistered machine guns and grenades.

clearly a difference between civil disobedience and possession of a deadly weapon that is very likely to kill many innocent people. Rosa's mere sitting in a different section didn't put people in harm's way. This idiot's possession of hand grenades certainly did.

its amazing how the extremist gun rights group always uses the same analogies over and over, regardless of whether or not they are appropriate.

Rosa Parks, the Nazis, blah blah blah

When the law is wrong, it's wrong.

Someone please explain to this man how a law prohibiting the possession of hand grenades is not a "wrong" law. :banghead:

 

[Lupinus]

A BS law is a BS law and I am tired of hearing "its the law of the land like it or not!!!"

Thats as much a BS argument as the law is. As was said, Rosa Parks was in violation of the law to. Would you be alright with her having spent time in jail, after all, it was the law of the land that she had to take her butt to the back of the bus for Mr. Whitey. But hey, law of the land right? Owning the means to defend yourself and your country is a civil right, as ingrained into being a human as is the right to be any race creed or color. It is amazing how even we folks here on THR are willing to bend on that. And it shows a lot of why when even a good number who take their time to visit here will cop out and say it is the law of the land deal with it.

Now do I advocate that everyone who is able go out and violate the law? No, thats a personal choice to display peaceful civil disobediance to an unconstituional law and violation of ones civil rights. But to those that do? I commend them and refuse to buy into the "its the law of the land" crap. Civil rights are civil rights and they don't stop being civil rights because a law says you no longer have those rights.

 

[the pistolero]

its amazing how the extremist gun rights group always uses the same analogies over and over, regardless of whether or not they are appropriate.

If I didn't know better, I would bet everything I own the above was taken from some hysterical Violence Policy Center press release. I am not an anarchist by any means, but I find this "the law is the law and go jump off a cliff if you don't like it" mentality to be quite dangerous. The arguments some use for the laws prohibiting possession of full-auto weaponry and explosives are basically the very same arguments used by the VPC and their ilk to lobby for bans on pretty much any and all small arms. People scoff at the slippery slope, but it's there and anyone who argues otherwise is a fool. But just for grins, let's just suppose the tyrant-enablers in our government did not know disarmament of a free people a little at a time was the best way to accomplish their evil goals, let's suppose Dianne Feinstein had gotten her 51 votes for "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," would these same people be telling us to be upstanding citizens and do just that? After all, IT would be the law, too...or was THAT another "inappropriate analogy"?

 

[Sistema1927]

"right-wing nut literature,"

He must have had a dog eared copy of the US Constitution. Everybody know how subversive that is.

 

[Lupinus]

yeah I'd like to know what the right wing nut lit. is. Also I would like to know how a judge describing such is impartial. At least he showed some sense in not locking the guy up and throwing away the key.

Also forget who it was and to busy to scroll up and find it but to who said they guy was a danger due to the hand grenades and the possibility of the pin coming out, how do we know the condition they were stored?

For all we know they were in a locked padded case with about zero chance of the pin coming out.

 

[GRIZ22]

Quote:

it was the law of the land that she had to take her butt to the back of the bus for Mr. Whitey.

It was not the law of the land in DE, MD, PA, NY, NJ, CA, etc etc. In most of the states anyone could sit anywhere they wanted on the bus. Put the blame where it belongs.

Quote:

For all we know they were in a locked padded case with about zero chance of the pin coming out.

Okay and for all we know he had toothpicks in place of the pins. Let's judge on facts available and not suppositions.

 

[Lupinus]

griz-

It was not the law of the land in DE, MD, PA, NY, NJ, CA, etc etc. In most of the states anyone could sit anywhere they wanted on the bus. Put the blame where it belongs.

Violation of civil rights is violation of civil rights. Doesn't matter if it is a state or federal goverment doing it, that only changes who is actually doing it and who needs to stop doing it. It doesn't change a goverment body is violating civil rights.

Okay and for all we know he had toothpicks in place of the pins. Let's judge on facts available and not suppositions.

I was responding to speculation with speculation. Point is just because he had an item doesnt mean it was a danger.

 

[dave_pro2a]

Whoa Spreadfire, you need to rethink this.

Spreadfirearms quote: "possession of a deadly weapon that is very likely to kill many innocent people."

That's the most ANTI-GUN and ANTI-2A statement you've made yet.

Have you joined the Brady campaign or what?

"Very likely to kill many innocent people." That's the biggest pile of stinking BS I've seen you utter yet.

 

[dave_pro2a]

btw, I don't believe he had active hand grenades.

Maybe he did, but every time I hear the media report a person in possession of a hand grenade, a week or two later it is finally determined that it was an inert (decommissioned) grenade.

They get the big headline, and then week later no one reads the follow-up article. It's all hype, because creating fear sells papers.

This has happened twice in my area just last year.

So I'll just reserve my judgement about the grenades.

As to the coyote getters, they should be legal, just like the machineguns Call me when someone gets hurt and I'll make a donation for the civil case.

 

[HonorsDaddy]

Did anyone else catch this part:

"If Bennett's ruling is overturned, the government would retain possession and likely destroy the firearms."

Someone wanna explain that to me?

If the man's conviction is overturned, by what authority can the government keep property not belonging to them?

 

[antarti]

If you don't want to become a convicted felon don't break the law.

If you don't want to spend time in a cage far from the parade route, don't speak your mind when the President comes to your town.

 

[chipp]

I can't help to wonder if the grebades and the autos were in working order.
Without all the info who knows. If they weren't in working order. Thats pretty bad. Its something i've been curious about. If you somehow disable the gun is it still illegal to own?
I have to say that noone here will convince me that setting up boobie traps is a good Idea. meaning the mouse trap shotgun shell thingy. unless of course your under full attack
You guys are lucky i just found spell check. I'll use it next time.

 

[berettashotgun]

Judge Bennets ruling did NOT follow Fed guidelines, so Fed Prosecuters are hard at work trying to all but hang the old fart. I don't agree with every firearm law, but the rules are the rules until they are changed to reflect my views. I just cannot understand why a GUN RIGHTS party platform is going out of their way to overturn the Judges' ruling. Must be up for re-election and don't think they are ruffling any feathers. Make yourself heard and it might do some good, complain on this forum- it'll never make a sound as it is being read.

 

[chipp]

honors daddy

Bennett granted Parsons' request to release the legal firearms -- some of them valuable collector's items -- to a friend to be sold, but automatically stayed his decision so that the weapons would not be disposed of before federal prosecutors could appeal his ruling.

If Bennett's ruling is overturned, the government would retain possession and likely destroy the firearms.

i think they are talking about the part underlined being overturned

 

[ctdonath]

all he had to do was register them, do the paperwork and pay the $200 tax.

NFA requires, and always has (save a few short amnesties), the regulated item be so registered the moment it comes into existence in this country. (Someone prove me wrong, please.) Form 1 registers it at time of manufacture, don't recall which form is used for imports, Form 4 registers transfers of already-registered items, but IIRC there is no form for "see, I've got here this illegal unregistered NFA gun..."

 

[Prince Yamato]

Spreadfire is referring to the grenades and the trap that was rigged. If the trap went off, it might take the grenades with it. I for one have never really cared about small arms, like machineguns, but Destructive Ordinance always has me uneasy. It's one thing if your bullets burn and you get noisy pops, but having an ND with a hand grenade is a different matter. I have no problems with its legality or possension of it, but I do have problems with unrestricted transport and storage of it. The guy was a hazzard because he was driving down a public highway, with live hand grenades and rigged traps in his car. Like someone mentioned, you don't want to be in the same tunnel as this guy when the trap goes off and causes the grenades to go boom.

 

[ctdonath]

Rosa Parks sat on a bus. this moron had unregistered machine guns and grenades.

So? Nobody was hurt in either case.

"But...someone could have been killed!" you'll say.
Ditto for driving to work. Heck, several orders of magnitude more people are killed accidentally with cars than weapons. Swimming pools are more dangerous.

There's lots of incidents where something small lead to lots of deaths. Can of gasoline + nightclub, car + crowd, poison gas leak + city, I could go on. Only guns et al get the "ban them!" response; the rest get "lock him up and throw away the key!" Wonder why...

clearly a difference between civil disobedience and possession of a deadly weapon that is very likely to kill many innocent people. Rosa's mere sitting in a different section didn't put people in harm's way. This idiot's possession of hand grenades certainly did.

Rosa's act sparked a lot of harm (real and looming), with riots and lynchings and armed escorts.

Nobody was harmed by this guy's grenades. Get out of the fantasy "what if" world, and back to reality of who actually gets harmed due to what.