WWB at Walmart up again....Is there an end?

[camslam]

Let's leave politics out of this, even though it DOES play a part. I don't care if you are a Democrat or a Republican, they both suck and are doing their level best to screw our country.

I do have to say invoking the name of Jimmy Carter is probably one of the funnier things I have read in some time.

Saddly Reagan gutted the Carter plan for energy independence by the year 2000.

Yeah, old Jimmy had the country headed in the right direction.

Sadly the realities are ammo is headed up and it isn't going to stop. That is why I just grabbed another 5k rounds today.

Reloading is on the schedule as soon as I can get the time and money to learn how to do it right.

 

[Just Jim]

Every forward looking Idea to better this nation is attacked by conservitives for short term greed and foolish ideology.

Yep that damn conservative Clinton vetoed a bill to allow drilling for oil in Anwar about 12 years ago. We don't need no damn oil just raise the prices higher so people will quit useing it.:banghead:

Hell we don't need no jobs or energy to run this country, we can just outsource our lives all together. We don't need any borders and language or culture because we have Democrat ideology to lead us, you know, the same ones that have been trying to steal our guns for ever.

The country is run by thieves on one side and insane fools on the other and look around you and you will see what they have brought upon us.

jj

 

[CBS220]

Good God, are people ever going to stop being brainwashed by the GOP? Yeah, the Democrats are responcible for 8 years of oil men bankrupting this nation and making the world laugh at our ignorance. Greed and arrogance of conservitives is bleeding every last dime of the middle and lower class so the greeding can keep using the FED as an ATM. Wake up. There is not a enough oil in all of the US to have any effect on the current oil situation. Saddly Reagan gutted the Carter plan for energy independence by the year 2000. Every forward looking Idea to better this nation is attacked by conservitives for short term greed and foolish ideology.

You appear to have left out your /sarcasm tag.

And your spell check.

 

[Green Lantern]

Yep that damn conservative Clinton vetoed a bill to allow drilling for oil in Anwar about 12 years ago.

Beat me to it! Well, that was a dumb plan anyway - you know it would have taken 10 years to have an affect on our gas supplies?

...oh wait...

 

[SSN Vet]

Yup! that's almost exactly double what it was 18 months ago.

When will this crap subside?

I don't see any reason to think that it will.

Just wait untill gas hits $10 bucks a gallon.

Welcome to the new world order

 

[bogie]

Can we PUHLEEZE just have one giant wally-world thread?

 

[David N]

I wish my local Wal Mart would stock 9mm WWB HOLLOW POINTS like they used to. Then I'd have the luxury of bitching about the price.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

The price hike was yesterday (Friday). I bought WWB .45 ACP today. Price was $29.88. The young lady who rang me up in Sporting Goods told me the price went up yesterday. It was $28.48 last week. That's a 5% jump.

Ouch.

 

[Tommygunn]

There is not a enough oil in all of the US to have any effect on the current oil situation.

Between Anwar, offshore resources, and the Dakotas we have more oil in America than Saudia Arabia.
The problem isn't we lack oil, it's we haven't built a refinery in a generation, offshore drilling has been limited by kongress and it would take a long time to get those rigs built to do it if it was opened up, and the envirowhackos have taken over Washington DC's "groupthink."
We are limiting ourselves.
One of the reasons (it is said) that the Saudis aren't really trying to boost their production to help us (as Shrubbie the younger implored) was they don't believe we have a serious oil problem, and they think that because they don't see us doing any drilling for it.

 

[Prince Yamato]

And if we allowed importation of Chinese firearms and ammo, we could have cheap Norinco ammo again... but then these same people who complain about ammo prices would start saying how they're only going to "buy American" because "they'll never support a commie country". They'll mention incidents from 1989 as if it's still the same China. They'll mention the Falun Gong. They pity all these things, but if you offered political asylum to ANY of those people who needed it, these same "patriots" would bitch that somehow [foreigner de jour] was suddenly a threat to our economy.

My budget doesn't care about country of origin. Some of you also have a veiled racism/bigotry when it comes to foreigners and it's rather disgusting. It usually appears in threads like this or threads about border security. Somehow, threads about border security, or imported goods turn from civilized discussion into paranoid, "the Mexicans are taking over, The Chinese are coming to get us, the world is falling apart due to non-Americans" threads.

Now back to the topic at hand.

Wolf ammo costs less online. Buy Wolf. Buy Russian. Buy from the lowest bidder. Paying more isn't "patriotism", it's stupidity.

 

[Just Jim]

Wolf ammo costs less online. Buy Wolf. Buy Russian. Buy from the lowest bidder. Paying more isn't "patriotism", it's stupidity.

Stupidity is sending money to your enemies by buying their products. If you have noticed the change in your budget from higher prices it is from the stupidity of buying foriegn manufactured goods.

At least the WWB at wally world is made in America.

jj

 

[DRYHUMOR]

Wallyworld still seems to be the lower priced ammo dealer, though not in everything. And the choices are pretty limited. Bought a box of 7mm Rem mag yesterday, $17 and change. Federal 150's. They were $22 and change at the Sportsmans Warehouse.
However, the SW had .223 Black Hills reloads for $26 a box a few weeks back, yesterday they were $31

 

[Hk91-762mm]

There is a scrap yard around the corrner from where I work.
Every day hundreds of trucks go around the corneer loaded with anything metal.
Even old ladies will fill the trunk of there mini cars with bags of small metal things to turn in .
NOW-Where is all this Metal going>?????????
I dont see any smelting going on in the USA. Just where is this RAW material going to be mented down??? YEP-You got it Someplace besides here in the ol USA. and its worth more outside this country.
Remember when we sent all that scrap to JAPAN in the 20s and 30s?? They were kind enough to return it to us in the 40S!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best thing this country could do is BAN THE EXPORT OF RAW MATERIALS This would force the USA to Start manufacturing the basic materials for manufacturing again. No need to export your brass and lead to country XYZ to be made into ammo we could do it here .
I lived in Montana -Gods country Great place to make a small fortune -JUST start with a BIG fortune soon it will shrink -There is no industry AT ALL But there used to be --Mining and smelting Lead and gold mining --Guess why they dont do that anymore - -- HINT the women wear combat boots .Prarrie skirts and carry kids in ther backs when they work the garden

 

[22-rimfire]

The June price increases are hitting. After stock was depleted, the price goes up.

I have to give a thumbs up to Walmart in this aspect of pricing. They must buy huge quantities of ammunition at discounted prices from the manufactures. They consistantly sell the ammunition they carry for less than most other retailers and tend to not increase prices until they run out of their stock versus the way gasoline retailers do.

There will likely be more price increases.

 

[cubfarm1]

ammo prices

Try really liking to shot .44 at todays price. Made me buy a 9mm and now I have another gun in the collection.

 

[Old School]

Remember how the US economy changed when the Japanese invaded the auto industry? That was just a small island and even they had an strong impact on metal and materials. Look at the size of China. Then consider India & Russia. Then consider the other smaller Asian nations and South America.

There is no way around it. These poor country's citizens are now competing with you directly for resources and jobs. That is the new world order and it is not going away. We would love to blame this politician or that political party, but it was just destiny for wealthy business men in prosperous countries like the USA to exploit the opportunities offered by cheaper labor and global commerce. It is just how the world has always worked.

Oil, metals and industrial supplies are going to keep going up too. The US is not THE big dog consumer anymore. We are just ONE of the big dog consumers. While ammo prices are a good micro examination of the effects, we are gonna see it in everything.

 

[La Pistoletta]

According to estimations, there are many billions of barrels of oil in the Alaskan reserves alone. Deregulation would allow for initial prospecting of that area which could possible lower oil prices even now. Yet the government keeps their prohibitions.

Restrictions have also made sure the last oil refinery construction in the US was in the 1970's.

The government can't lower the real price of oil. It can only get out of the way by removing taxes and regulations.

 

[Just Jim]

Oil, metals and industrial supplies are going to keep going up too. The US is not THE big dog consumer anymore. We are just ONE of the big dog consumers. While ammo prices are a good micro examination of the effects, we are gonna see it in everything.

That is why you shouldn't buy foriegn goods, it just gives them money to compete with us on the market and drives the prices up.

What happens when oil reaches $200 bucks a barrel and WWB is $50 a box?? Keep buying that foriegn manufactured stuff and you will soon see.

jj

 

[Just Jim]

There are alot of stupid people in this world that think only with their wallet. A quick example is those who hire illegals to do labor. The cheap cost of labor is far offset by the cost of the illegals being here. It drives the prices up on everything here and adds 30% to our crime rates along with them bringing 90% of the drugs with them as they cross the border. It cost you money to hire illegals but people are too stupid to understand it.

Same with buying cheap goods from foriegn countries. The money you send them competes with you for oil, you cut your own throat. Plus as they grow it is going to be worse.

If you want cheaper ammo at Wally world then don't support those who comepete against you for goods, especialy if they don't have the same culture of freedom that America has.

jj

 

[Checkman]

Yep the times they are a changing. Better get busy adjusting to the brave new world. Bitching about it isn't going to change it.

As for me. Well I talked to my grandfather about growing up during the Depression, WW 2 and the years immediately following the war.

Ammo was expensive and not real plentiful back in the day. It wasn't uncommon for a box of fifty rounds to last for months even a year or more. Grandpa told me it was a big deal to go out and shoot twelve even eighteen rounds through a revolver.

Those who could purchased a 22 handgun and/or rifle and did most of their shooting with 22's.

The bigger calibers were hoarded and taken out for hunting or real world confrontations.

Those who were serious about shooting did alot of dry-firing. Even Elmer Keith was an advocate of dry-firing. As was Col. Townsend Whelan, Phil Sharpe, Bill Jordan and so on.

Shooting was about quality not quantity.

Me? Well I've purchased Snap Caps for all my calibers. For my revolvers I've purchased a couple dozen of each caliber, so I can practice working with my speed loaders.

Hey the snap caps are made in the U.S.A. so you're helping out the country if nothing else.

Everytime one of these threads gets started I bang the dry firing drum, but nobody ever responds. Guess it isn't as satisfying as complaining.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

Checkman I agree.

I learned about dry firing in the service. It was the best way to learn how to call your shots. Most usefull with a scoped rifle, but I still dry fire handguns a lot. When I end up at the range, I mentally call all my shots. I know all too well when my shot was off

 

[Just Jim]

The problem is with the American Dollar.

The value of the American dollar will skyrocket if we quit spending it on foriegn manufactured goods. Supply and demand.

Ammo would go down and so would oil.

jj

 

[22-rimfire]

We live in a new world here in the USA. Global trade. After WWII, we set the price of products such as steel and so forth. It is just not the case any more.

The dollar will strengthen. We need to spend our money smarter. Europeans have lived under this umbrella for a long time. There will be growing pains as with most adjustments in lifestyle.

Buy American as much as you can. That includes firearms and the dealers that sell them. Support your local FFL dealer with your purchases. It is nice to have choices and internet auctions are a wonderful new thing. They just don't support local dealers. I would charge a premium for the service. You can't stay in business just doing transfers and the ATF has made it difficult for private FFL's working out of their homes mostly doing transfers or ordering for friends and family. The amount of money just doesn't pay the light bill or the rent unless it is a hobby.

 

[DRYHUMOR]

Just Jim,

There's a lot of people out there who can't afford to buy anything but the "cheap foreign goods". Take a close look at the folks in those Walmarts. I buy ammo there mostly because it's a couple of bucks cheaper than anywhere else. I go mail order for increased selection.


Unfortunately, our schools in this country do not do a very good job of teaching basic economics or even sound principles such as cause and effect.


I knew 15 years ago working out in the Pacific rim that oil was becomming a tremendous issue. China was even then flexing it's muscle to claim disputed fields in the Philippenes.


Outsourcing has given the shareholders their dividend checks, but at what cost to America. Don't forget the other countries that have outsourced as well. The world's richest have raised the world's poorest. Now the world's poorest have a greater say. They are saying it with their money.

I'm 47, I remember as a kid in the midwest seeing gas sell for 10-11 cents a gallon during price wars. I'm not that old.

There is no trickle down economics. Ammo will continue to rise in cost, as will everything else. It may be best to stock up on ammo, powder, bullets, etc, while it is relatively cheap.

 

[Checkman]

DRYHUMOR,

You hit the nail on the head. I'm 40 and I remember the seventies. Product shortages thanks to Nixon's ill-advised wage and price control acts. The two oil embargos, odd-even days for getting gas etc. Not to mention the Iran hostage fiasco, truly skyrocketing inflation, gold costs setting new records etc. The country's infrastructure was decaying, the Arabs were sitting pretty, houses were being foreclosed and gas hit a dollar a gallon in 1979. It was a mess. Sound familar?

Americans got smart then, but forgot everything they had learned thanks to the economic upturns in the eighties and nineties. Well the good times have ended - again. So here we go - again.

Do we really need to shoot up three hundred rounds everytime we go to the range? Is it necessary to expend a 1,000 rounds per month?. According to somefolks on this forum it is. You aren't even a okay shooter if you don't go through at least five hundred rounds every month. Ridiculous.

Time to go back to the basics.