WWB's in JHP's vs.....

[RockyMtnTactical]

They all look the same to me.

I was referring to the way that the WWB hollowpoints look after they expand in relation to the silvertips.

This is a 9mm 115gr WWB JHP I shot into water jugs and recovered quite some time ago.



If you look at the Super X after expansion, it looks different from the WWB and Silvertip, which both look very similar.

 

[golden]

GO,

I would not hesitate to use the 9m.m. 115 grain jhp WHITE BOX loads for practice. I have used them in several different brands and found them to be more accurate and generally cleaner than other discount brands.

As for effectiveness, they are about the same as most standard velocity 115 grain jhp ammo. They can do the job, but you get an edge in stopping power with some of the premium and especially the +P and +P+ loads. I like the WHITE BOX for practice ammo.

I carry FEDERAL +P+ Hydro-Shok or HST 124 grain or WINCHESTER Ranger 127 grain +P+ ammo for carry and home defense.

Jim

 

[AcceptableUserName]

I believe it's a 147, but could be a 115. I'm not the best at ballistics, but I do know it was the WWB Personal Protection because I was there the day he bought them. Bullet fired out of a friend's Keltec Sub due to idiotic firearms handling practices and momentary stupidity on his part.(not checking for a mag). IIRC the Keltec generates higher velocities than normal and close to +p specs (,aybe I'm wrong). Bullet went through fiberboard door, traveled down a hallway and somehow went right through the clearance gap of a drawer at floor level, just scratching the top of the drawer and bottom of the dresser. To be fair, the cheap fiberboard (slightly stronger than stiff cardboard) door didn't offer much resistance, and it didn't really hit anything else. He only found the slug months after, resting inside the drawer on top of some papers, I demanded pictures of the door and I photographed the bullet and saved them...

 

[Mad Chemist]

I think the trick bullets become more important when you are using a marginal caliber for SD. I use Gold Dot or Barnes solid copper for my .380 to guarantee adequate penetration. But for my Detonics .45, I'll load just about any JHP and not be overly concerned about it.

One other thing to be aware of, most American bulk 9mm is loaded very light. Run a load-out of WWB side by side with Fiochi and S&B through a chrono if you don't believe me. I generally go with premium 9mm for my G19 primarily because typical US bulk ammo is so anemic. But if I had any generic HP that was actually loaded close to NATO spec, I'd probably be happy with it.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

I was also able to compare the 115gr WWB to a 124gr Speer Gold Dot (not the +P load). The Gold Dot penetrated one more water jug than the WWB.

Yes, there are a whole lot of more important factors than the bullet to take into account, but since we aren't talking about those factors in this thread...



The improved bullet technology is apparent when you shoot them side by side and compare them. Granted, since they were different grains, it may be somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison...

However, the bonded Gold Dot appears to peel like a banana, allowing it to keep more energy as it travels, whereas the WWB JHP appears to simply flatten creating more drag, therefore effectively bringing the bullet to a quicker stop.

I like a bonded bullet because it eliminates core-jacket separation, which allows it to retain more weight and gain more penetration.

I carry 124gr +P Gold Dots in my Glock 19. They are more pricey than WWB, but they are not breaking the bank. I think I was able to buy something like 200 rounds for like $30-35 a few years back, IIRC. It was a pretty sweet deal.