WWYD scenario

[HarlequinP]

You're leaving your place of work. It's late at night and your workplace is in a fairly nice, mid-sized city. The parking lot seems empty and you're almost to your driver side door when another car pulls up and blocks you from backing your's out. The passenger in the car rolls down his window and says he needs directions and asks you to come closer. You stand your ground and he gets out of the car and approaches you, the driver is still in the car. The BG's car is 15 feet away from you and the passenger is also about 15 feet away.

He demands your money and you give it to him. He looks through your wallet, voices his unhappiness with the amount of money you have on you and becomes aggressive. He has no immediate weapon visible and shoves you against the trunk of your car, the BG driver gets out and begins to walk around the car, he has a blunt object. The BG with the visible weapon is now 12 feet away, and the one that pushed you has gone back to the car and is reaching behind the seat, presumably for a weapon.

You have your CCW of choice on you, what do you do?

 

[JamisJockey]

You're leaving your place of work. It's late at night and your workplace is in a fairly nice, mid-sized city. The parking lot seems empty and you're almost to your driver side door when another car pulls up and blocks you from backing your's out. The passenger in the car rolls down his window and says he needs directions and asks you to come closer. You stand your ground and he gets out of the car and approaches you, the driver is still in the car. The BG's car is 15 feet away from you and the passenger is also about 15 feet away.

He demands your money and you give it to him. He looks through your wallet, voices his unhappiness with the amount of money you have on you and becomes aggressive. He has no immediate weapon visible and shoves you against the trunk of your car, the BG driver gets out and begins to walk around the car, he has a blunt object. The BG with the visible weapon is now 12 feet away, and the one that pushed you has gone back to the car and is reaching behind the seat, presumably for a weapon.

You have your CCW of choice on you, what do you do?

Start the music.
Draw and try to get my vehicle between me and them. Fire weapon as necessary.

 

[WT]

Run like the dickens ..........

 

[Havegunjoe]

Is this a joke?

You've just been robbed and roughed up by two BG's. One has treatend you because you don't have more money and the other has a weapon. You have no means of escape I presume. That's grounds for protecting yourself as far as I can tell from this senerio. Why would anyone think different?

 

[Highland Ranger]

You draw and move to cover as soon as the first bg exits the car . . . . why would you let someone threatnening you get that close when you are carrying?

Makes no sense.

 

[TexasRifleman]

If he's only 12 feet away I'm in big trouble. I need to get distance between him and me to have time to get to my weapon.

Tueller Drill says I'm a dead man if he decides to come at me, even if I begin to draw my weapon at the same time he makes his move.

But, Highland Ranger is right, you should have never let it get to this point. If it does, you are now about 3 steps behind and you'll be lucky if you survive this one.....

 

[HarlequinP]

You've just been robbed and roughed up by two BG's. One has treatend you because you don't have more money and the other has a weapon. You have no means of escape I presume. That's grounds for protecting yourself as far as I can tell from this senerio. Why would anyone think different?

The question is less if you are going to use your gun and more how you're going to go about it. Fire from where you are and risk the guy with the bat closing the distance too quickly and beating you senseless? Try to neutralize the one with the visible weapon and risk having the other pull a gun from the car? Not fire at all and see if brandishing your gun is enough to deter them?

 

[2k5Adam]

1. Pull my two Desert Eagle fiddys from inside my waistband
2. Aim one at each BG
3. Say nice and loudly, "My daddy always taught me 'Shoot First, Ask Questions Later'..."




To be serious here, someone already mentioned your first mistake. You let them come too close. You've got to stay atleast one step ahead of the BG's at ALL times. I'd get some distance between the BG's, and try to use your car or even theirs for some cover. If shooting is required, a shot to the shoulder or leg would most likely deter most criminals, but Shoot to kill if a BG brings a gun into the scenario.

 

[JamisJockey]

1. Pull my two Desert Eagle fiddys from inside my waistband
2. Aim one at each BG
3. Say nice and loudly, "My daddy always taught me 'Shoot First, Ask Questions Later'..."




To be serious here, someone already mentioned your first mistake. You let them come too close. You've got to stay atleast one step ahead of the BG's at ALL times. I'd get some distance between the BG's, and try to use your car or even theirs for some cover. If shooting is required, a shot to the shoulder or leg would most likely deter most criminals, but Shoot to kill if a BG brings a gun into the scenario.

Firstly, we all make mistakes. Being caught with our proverbial pants down is part of life. Maybe you got caught thinking about work/home/kids/life. Maybe you thought you recognized the car. Its how we recover from our mistakes that keeps us alive.

Secondly, did I just read what you wrote right? Did you just suggest intentionally wounding the BG?
:banghead:

For starters, its not shoot to kill. Its shoot to stop. I know its semantics, but its semantics that may save your life and possibly keep you out of prison.
Intentionally wounding a BG just to run them off...bad idea. Besides the legal implications, you can't know that shooting him in the arm is going to stop the attack.
Shots to stop an attack include the vitals (COM), head (difficult at best) and the pelvic region (can cause severe pain, and damage the hips/pelvis causing walking difficulty). The point is to stop the attack by stopping the attacker, causing death, or convincing the attacker to retreat. Someone on Meth, PCP, crack, or even just hopped up on adreneline is likely not going to be stopped by a shot to the shoulder, arm, or leg.
Next...just like a head shot...imagine trying to hit a moving BG, in the dark, while your pulse is racing at 140bpm, in the leg, arm, or shoulder. Is this a shot you practice, or do you shoot COM and head shots at the range.
Lastly, you're wasting precious ammo. There are two BG's, possibly jacked up on a illicit substance, you just put two into one of thier legs. You have 7 rounds left in a 10 round mag and another in your pocket. Now you realize your leg shots were ineffective, and the other BG has pulled another weapon and closed the distance. You now have two BG's less than 12' from you, and 7 rounds to stop both of them with. Where do I send the flowers...to your widow or directly to the funeral home?

 

[Moondoggie]

If you're agile enough, I'd try to roll off of the trunk of your car towards the open side of the triangle formed by the 2 BG's to gain distance/cover/concealment hopefully placing your car between you and them. I'd even consider staying on the ground and using the interim period of concealment to draw my weapon. I'd start shooting at whatever part of them appeared first around the car. At this point if they didn't already know that you were armed you may be able to achieve the advantage through surprise. You could pull this out yet if you're lucky.

You've already been assaulted, there's 2 of them and one of you, and you've already seen a weapon capable of causing death/serious injury.

If you could manage to get your CCW out it's time to fire the FPF.

If you survive and are asked why you put 5 rds into each assailant.."Because that's how many I had." (Just joking about this last part!)

 

[bogie]

I'd fire the screenwriter, and tell the director that he's on his last chance.

Action _should_ have been, when the bozo gets out of the car...

Reach to drawing position, announce that you have a gun and aren't afeared of using it, and watch 'em run while you're calling 911...

 

[chopinbloc]

i'm sorry, but as soon as he demanded money i would have drawn. i know alot of people would prefer to give them the money and of course my money isn't as valuable as my life but giving them the money brings them closer to me and therefore lets them get quite an advantage. they are attempting strong arm robbery at the least and in the state of az i would be justified in threatening deadly physical force and i would be justified in using it if they produced a weapon. i would probably be justified in shooting even if they didn't produce a weapon due to the disparity of force with two (presumably) fit men against one. i would draw and attempt to gain distance and cover and fire if i felt i had to. this scenario says nothing about intermediate force, though and i always have at least oc with me as well as my carry piece. i would prefer to use intermediate force because i'd rather not shoot someone but if it weren't available then obviously i'd have to use my handgun. of course, i keep a rifle in my truck, too and if time and distance permitted, i might just decide on the rifle bringing a handgun to a rifle fight is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. additionally, if i used oc and they continued to be a threat, i'd easily be justified in using deadly physical force. i know alot of people will whine that i shouldn't shoot someone over a little money. to this i can only reply that i refuse to be victimized, that THEY shouldn't threaten force over a little money if they aren't prepared to pay the piper and at the very least, it is tactically inadvisable to let an obvious threat get close to you. if you draw first, the tueller drill doesn't count, does it?

 

[silverlance]

car blocking your "only" exit. warning bells should be going off like crazy all over your head.

guy gets out of car near yours - major warning bell. at this point you should already have decided where your car can go (over concrete humps? over curb?) and it should be on and the drive in the appropriate shift. if carrying, I would get out of the car right away, backpedal up behidn the hood, and get ready to draw. if not carrying, I would put the car in drive to get away or, if not possible (say, a wall) in reverse with the intention of slamming through the car behind me. hopefully, your car is capable of this. firmly tell the person to stay where they are and tell you what's going on. don't be embarassed - you can always make up a story about how someone tried to rob you "just like that" a week ago.

this is about as far is it should go - from here on, it's either banjo music or hastily made up driving direction questions.

 

[chaim]

As already said, several mistakes have already been made to get to the full scenario you've laid out. Assuming I'm in a carry state and carrying, I would probably also have pepper spray if I can carry a gun (the only time I don't have a knife and/or pepper spray on me is at my current job since bringing such items into a psychiatric hospital isn't a great idea).

You're leaving your place of work. It's late at night and your workplace is in a fairly nice, mid-sized city. The parking lot seems empty and you're almost to your driver side door when another car pulls up and blocks you from backing your's out.

Here is your first mistake. Anyone blocks my car in and I'm already changing my walking direction. Assuming I'm parked head in (reverse this if backed in the spot), instead of going around the back of the car to the driver's door I'm going around the front of the car so as to have the car between me and them (I've done it before and don't much care if Bob and Jane on vacation from Idaho think I'm nuts for doing it when they ask me for directions). Add that it is late at night and not mid-day and certainly I'm on guard and putting my car between me and them before they are even out of the car.

The passenger in the car rolls down his window and says he needs directions and asks you to come closer

I tell the passenger to talk loud enough and I can hear him from here. Yell if needed, and I'll be happy to give directions from here.

... he gets out of the car and approaches you, the driver is still in the car.

Tell him to stay put and not come closer if he wants directions from me. Now one hand is on the grip of the gun, the other on my pepper spray, depending upon how threatening he seems at this point the pepper spray might even be out.

He demands your money and you give it to him.

He hasn't produced a weapon and is demanding money. Now is when the pepper spray comes out (if it wasn't already) and I spray him and demand that he stop moving and leave.

If he continues at me I spray again, maybe take out the knife, prepare for combat.

If the driver comes out, or either seems to go for a weapon, the gun comes out. If the driver came out with no weapon and the passenger still has no weapon I order them to retreat. If one was producing a weapon causing me to draw the weapon, my gun's trigger is now being pulled.

If I'm armed, and have pepper spray, and an unarmed man is demanding money, I'm not giving him my wallet. If you change the scenario and he is has already displayed a weapon before/when demanding money, or I don't have pepper spray I might throw a money clip at him (one with a $20 bill but no id or credit cards). Then follow with drawing my weapon and firing if the continuing events make it seem needed.

 

[mmike87]

The question is less if you are going to use your gun and more how you're going to go about it. Fire from where you are and risk the guy with the bat closing the distance too quickly and beating you senseless? Try to neutralize the one with the visible weapon and risk having the other pull a gun from the car? Not fire at all and see if brandishing your gun is enough to deter them?

I would draw while moving and attempt to get some cover if possible. I don't think brandishing without an intent to fire is EVER a good idea. However, brandishing and seeking some cover certainly is.

Is cover is not available I would move diagnally away from them (two directions at once) to put some distance in between you. If they did not immediately disengage then I would pick the target that is the greatest threat and attempt to take him out.

I think they key would be to act quickly - they would probably not ben expecting you to resist or they would not have picked you as a target to begin with. Hesitation will result in you losing the confrontation.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

I'd draw the four-tee-five, take cover, and begin firing when the driver got out of the car with a blunt object. I might go to jail. I might not. With my wallet in their possession, and only one guy telling what happened, I think I'd be "ah-ite" as the gangstas say.

hmmm... this could happen to me. I don't carry lots of cash...

 

[HighVelocity]

If a car pulled up and blocked my vehicle, my hand would already be on my gun. This is way to common a scenario for me to ever let it get to the point of the guy approaching me on foot. Even if I am wrong and end up having a heart to heart with the local PD, it beats the alternative.