XCRs actually exist. Just got our first one.

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After a year of waiting, I was ready to write the XCR off. But they are actually finally shipping. :)

http://www.madogre.com/PowerHouse/XCR.JPG (picture stolen from Madogre's picture of our gunshow booth)

That is our first one, and I've got five more coming next week.
 
It was one of the SCAR competitors. There is some controversy because it was rejected without testing. Most likely because of the small size of the manufacturer, and the rquirement for large deliveries, fast.
 
...and, if the state of the XCR (delayed, delayed, delayed, with little communication) is any indication, the government was wise to not choose them.

The thing that is so neat about it is that everything that is modifed/bolted on/retrofitted into the AR design (rails, flat top design, piston in lieu of direct gas, interchangable barrels) is present in the XCR from ground up. That, at least, is my understanding. It is also supposedly very light and well balanced.

I want one, despite having zero need. I'm not sure I want one at that price, or before the units coming off the line have proven to be reliable.

Mike
 
Good, I want another .223 rifle one of these days, but I think a PTR-91 in .308 is in line ahead of it.
 
Now, I know they plan to make 6.8 SPC conversion kits (barrel & bolt) for the XCR, and I've personally heard rumor that a 7.62x39 is at least conceived of.

Now, how about 6.5 Grendel? That would seem to just about max out the possibilities of the standard size magwell.
 
Ahhh....so the vapor gun finally pokes its head up.

Let's hope Robarm treats it better than they did VEPR and the M96, both of which they all but have abandoned and neglect. If this doesn't sell like twinkies, they'll stop supporting it too.

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Time will tell. I'm supposed to review one of these for a gun magazine, and I'm going to kick the holy hell out of it. :D
 
It's more than a nice looking rifle. It's a great feeling rifle too.
Take an FAL rifle and take it's gas system and charging handle, and make them lighter. Put that on top of an AR lower, and give it a folding stock... and that's pretty much the basic concept of the XCR.
It sounds rather lame on the surface, but the resulting package is pretty dang slick. I like it alot. Probably more than the design warrants.
It's very compact and light... has the rails that people are buying nowdays, the stock folds to the left making it really easy to stow behind your truck seats or wherever you need to put it. Stock locks up solid when deployed. It's a really slick blending of different rifle concepts.
I think this is RA's best design. Too bad they don't have the capability for real production, and too bad they don't have a front man that you would want to do business with. If CZ USA made this, Springfield, Wilson Combat, FN... basically any other gun maker.... it would be a homerun rifle. But it's RA so it will be nothing more than a curiosity.
 
I want one probably more than any modern black rifle. Cept the SCAR. But, like with most FNs, it will probably cost many limbs. Any more pics? I have always wanted a pic of someone holding it.

Any possibility of the prices on these ever coming down?
 
the stock folds to the left making it really easy to stow behind your truck seats or wherever you need to put it.

I know folders are all the rage, but having a side folder to me is a true-one-trick pony, and its only true advantage is smaller sized stowed (as you mention). Unless hip-firing is on the menu, it doesn't help you one bit when wearing body-armor, where that adjustable LOP comes in so handy like with AR's collapsible. It also means a fixed-length so it's one sized fits most but not all.

I fail to see the practicality of a folder, beyond sticking it in a slightly smaller case. When Sig put out the 556 pictures, the purists cried that the new AR-stock was an abomination, but to me it's a marriage of a good stock system with a great gun. With a collapsible, my small wife can shoot the same gun I do comfortably....and it's still stowable.
 
So basically it's a $1600 AR with a gas piston?

I must be missing something.......
...and a free-float integral rail/handguard, and a folding stock, and interchangable barrels, and a better charging handle.

I see your point. This rifle does very little that an AR does not do. However, an equivalently-equipped AR would cost in the ballpark of this, and still lack several things the XCR has (charging handle, balance, whatever value you attach to the simplicity of design). Whether those things are worth the $$$ to you is the question. They are to me, provided the guns shoot and the company is going to be there for parts/service/support.

Mike
 
As I understand it, the company in Russia that makes Vepr's was bought out by a competitor and the rifle is out of production or unknown.

The XCR sounds like a pretty good rifle. Something to consider down the road especially if I could get it with the 7.62X39 conversion parts as well.
 
Veprs are not being made anymore after that buyout. Shame because they are one awesome rifle.

The XCR got dropped from testing because apparently they were a little late to the testing zone with the blank adapter so the rifle got automatically disqualified or some tripe excuse like that.
 
I know folders are all the rage

I don't think so. Those plastic telescoping stocks are far more common these days. Though, I think that's exacerbated by the fact that you can't put a folding stock on an AR-15. All the same, people have been finding ways to mate AR-15 stocks to a variety of guns.

My favorite is the CETME/G3. In the fully-collapsed position, the telescoping stock is only a little shorter than a standard buttstock. In the fully extened position, it provides for probably a 16" length of pull.

Frankly, unless you have multiple users of the same weapon with different arm lengths, or routinely use the weapon with and without your body armor on, the collapsing stock is unnecessary. Most shooters I've observed with them simply leave them at their preferred LOP.

I'd rather have a short fixed stock, myself. Then again, I'm not big on folding stocks, either. Most of them provide a poor cheek weld. What's more, most of them fold to the right, making them less than practical for a left-handed person. The exception is the ACE folding stocks they put on AKs. I like those, they fold to the left.

The wrong-side-folding issue is why I probably won't ever get a para FAL.

However, some people must see some practical use for a folding stock. Note the FN SCAR, which has a stock that adjusts for LOP and folds.

Anwways, I've handled a Robinson XCR, the one Correia has in his shop. It's actually a very solid gun, and feels like it was constructed with considerable attention to detail. I'd like to get my hands on one to wring it out, see how it works after being dropped in the mud. I don't think Correia will let me do that, though, so I have to limit my analysis to what I saw.

I liked the ergonomics. People complain about the lack of adjustable LOP, but for most uses a short fixed stock works well enough. In any case, if it's an issue, somebody will make a lower-comb conversion kit that will accept the telescoping stock. (Personally, I prefer having the sights closer to the barrel for close-range shooting.)

If they made one in .308, it'd be a contender for my personal weapons selection.

Even if Robinson gets it together and actually mass produces this weapon, they're going to face a considerable bias from the .223 shooters. There's a palpable bias for the AR-15, and against any similar design that is different. Every time a new .223 rifle comes out, there are a slew of "Pfft...what will it do that an AR won't?" from the AR-15 guys.

I don't understand this. When some company comes out with a new pistol, you don't hear the Beretta guys "this won't do anything my Beretta won't". (Though you do hear it from Glock and 1911 guys on occasion.) When a new .308 rifle comes out, you don't hear many M1A or FAL shooters saying they'd never buy one (in fact, many .308 shooters seem to collect many different types of .308 rifles).

Like as has been said, a new-in-the-box AR-15 rifle, equipped with the free-floated rail handguard and folding sights is going to cost about the same as the XCR. Anyone here priced a Wilson or Knights AR lately? The basic $900.00 Bushmaster isn't the upper limit on price, here.

And, if you want a quick change barrel for your AR, you're looking at thirteen to sixteen hundred dollars just for the upper receiver. Observe.

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