Xtreme 200gr FN Bullets

[red rick]

I am trying these bullets in a .45acp and don’t see any loading information on them . They pluck at 1.195 in my barrel . How deep would you seat them . I worked up and loaded 25 rounds at 1.19 . They weren’t that accurate , but they ran with no malfunctions . I was thinking about seating them to about a fingernail thickness from where the bullet tapers and backing down my starting load . What do you think ?

 

[Atavar]

How many firearms are you loading them for? I would set them to plunk and spin in the shortest chamber you have and call it good, working up the load from that COAL.

 

[red rick]

That is the only one right now .

 

[Milt1]

If they run well I wouldn't worry aboout the seating depth, I'd just vary the amount of powder to see if accuracy improves and/or try different powders.

 

[red rick]

I tried loads from 4.8 to 5.4 . They plunked at 1.195 , but I couldn’t spin them until they were 1.175 . I am going to start over and try that OAL .

 

[JmacD]

For what it’s worth, that is the length my dad’s 1911 likes with similar bullets.1.175

 

[BBarn]

X-Treme has reloading data for a 200gr HP with a similar bullet profile. For the 45 Auto, they list an OAL of 1.23". But it sounds like your chamber is shorter than what X-Treme was using, so you may not be able to go much longer.

Download X-Treme Reloading Manual

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I am trying these bullets in a .45acp and don’t see any loading information on them . They pluck at 1.195 in my barrel . How deep would you seat them . I worked up and loaded 25 rounds at 1.19 . They weren’t that accurate , but they ran with no malfunctions . I was thinking about seating them to about a fingernail thickness from where the bullet tapers and backing down my starting load . What do you think ? View attachment 1202595

Are you sure those are Xtreme plated bullets? They look a lot like the Evergreens I’ve used. And I don’t recall Xtreme selling a solid Truncated Cone 200gr .45.

45 ACP (.451) 200 Grain TC Plated Bullets – Evergreen Ballistics

45 ACP Plated Bullets available in 200 Grain Truncated Cone. A balance between quality and value deliver a perfect shot every time.

evergreenballistics.com

But I could also be wrong. Just checking.

 

[red rick]

Are you sure those are Xtreme plated bullets? They look a lot like the Evergreens I’ve used. And I don’t recall Xtreme selling a solid Truncated Cone 200gr .45.

45 ACP (.451) 200 Grain TC Plated Bullets – Evergreen Ballistics

45 ACP Plated Bullets available in 200 Grain Truncated Cone. A balance between quality and value deliver a perfect shot every time.

evergreenballistics.com

But I could also be wrong. Just checking.

Yes they are Xtreme . They call them FN .

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Yes they are Xtreme . They call them FN .

45- 200 FP

45- 200 FP

www.xtremebullets.com

In that case, read the comments here. Reviews say 1.155” is the maximum.

 

[red rick]

I read that before I loaded my first rounds , but like the reviews , it’s dependent on your barrel , 1.19 worked in my pistol , but it was probably into the rifling some at that length since I couldn’t spin the cartridge and I wasn’t getting very good accuracy . The round spins in the barrel at 1.175 .

 

[gwpercle]

I tried loads from 4.8 to 5.4 . They plunked at 1.195 , but I couldn’t spin them until they were 1.175 . I am going to start over and try that OAL .

Seat the bullet so they plunk and spin ... 1.175" or 1.155" the 45 acp likes deep seated ( the thickness of a thumbnail was often cited as the depth from the shoulder) and that is still valid ... in the 45 acp .

Now 4.8 grs to 5.4 grs ... What powder are you using ?

I have 50 years experience loading 200 gr, bullets in the 45 acp , maybe I can help.
Gary

 

[red rick]

Bullseye

 

[LiveLife]

I have used lead load data for plated bullets with good results.

Bullseye

Here's Speer target lead load data for 200 gr LSWC loaded shorter at 1.190" you can reference for 200 gr X-Treme FN - https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/handgun/45_Auto_200_LSWC.pdf

• 45ACP 200 gr LSWC Bullseye COL 1.190" Start 4.2 gr (744 fps) - Max 4.6 gr (807 fps)

Xtreme 200gr FN .45acp and don’t see any loading information on them ... They pluck at 1.195 in my barrel ... The round spins in the barrel at 1.175

How deep would you seat them

If they "plunk" and spin freely at 1.175", that means 1.175" is your Max OAL.

But bullets loaded to Max OAL won't necessarily reliably feed from the magazine. Sometimes Max OAL can be Working OAL and sometimes Working OAL is shorter than Max OAL.

So make some dummy rounds (No powder, No primer) at 1.175" and feed them from magazine without riding the slide. OAL that reliably feed and chamber from the magazine is your Max Working OAL.

When I got some 200 gr HSM plated HP, I had to load them fairly short to pass the "plunk test" and feed reliably from the magazine. When I took this comparison picture, I noticed HSM HP bullet had similar nose profile/ogive as Berry's 185/200/230 gr plated RN/HBRN (Essentially non-contact tip of RN removed similar to 200 gr SWC being 230 gr RN with non-contact parts removed).

If you look at below MBC 45ACP bullet comparison picture closely, FP and SWC bullets are RN with non-contact parts of RN removed. Superimpose the FN/FP/SWC bullets with RN and you will likely find the Working OAL that will reliably feed and chamber from the magazine.

BTW, here's MBC 225 gr FP loaded to 1.190"

 

[Jim Watson]

I haven't seen outstanding accuracy from plated bullets.
I'd try a JHP or good cast.

 

[red rick]

I have some 230gr Acme Lipstick bullets , but I haven’t given up on these yet . Not the same bullet , but this is from the Lyman Cast 4th , but seated deep at 1.161 OAL , start 3.5 , max 5.6 at 869 fps . Lyman 49th , 200gr JHP OAL 1.178 , start 3.4 max 5.7 942 fps . Like I said in another post I have already shot 25 rounds loaded from 4.8 to 5.4 and they feed fine and no pressure signs . I will start over with a COL of 1.175 and a lower starting point than 4.8 . I thinking 4.4 would be a good starting point for a plated bullet and work up .

 

[gwpercle]

Bullseye

My notes for a Target Load - 45 acp - cast 200gr. SWC (Lyman 452460) - keep showing -
4.5 grs. Bullseye @ 830 fps

And ... I won a First Place Trophy with that load in a G. I. Service Pistol Match .

If you can't get an accurate load with Bullseye powder ... with from 4.2 grs ... to ... 4.7
( you have tested 4.8 grs Bullseye) then it may be the bullet ... usuallt Bullseye is "The Accuracy Powder" in the 45 acp and 38 Special ... I have never had Bullseye let me down !
Keep trying and Load Safe ,
Gary

 

[red rick]

My notes for a Target Load - 45 acp - cast 200gr. SWC (Lyman 452460) - keep showing -
4.5 grs. Bullseye @ 830 fps

And ... I won a First Place Trophy with that load in a G. I. Service Pistol Match .

If you can't get an accurate load with Bullseye powder ... with from 4.2 grs ... to ... 4.7
( you have tested 4.8 grs Bullseye) then it may be the bullet ... usuallt Bullseye is "The Accuracy Powder" in the 45 acp and 38 Special ... I have never had Bullseye let me down !
Keep trying and Load Safe ,
Gary

I loaded some today from 4.2 to 4.8 and 1.175 COL .

 

[gwpercle]

I loaded some today from 4.2 to 4.8 and 1.175 COL .

That should do it ! If one of those loads isn't a "Tack Driver" ... Something's Up ...
I don't know what but it just can't be your Bullseye loads !
Good Luck ... hope you hit pay-dirt !
Gary