Yeah, I punched that dawgie

[sm]

Subtitled: We surviveded!

If'n you messed up and thought you logged into teh Intraw3z, and were checking the Ultimate Extremist Ka-nifed Forum, this ain't it, and you might want to do a double mall ninja back flip and head on out.

I am not feeling snarky, just tacky is all.

There I wuz in 12* F weather with 8 inches of snow on da ground.
Not wearing socks with my tennis shoes with holes and the soles so worn out, they will not take anymore glue.

I gots a foot swoll up and standing in snow is a heckuva lot easier than fixing an ice pack.
I may be dumb, but I ain't stoopid!

Hey, I was excited I could get a shoe on , gimmee a break will ya?

Anywho, there I wuz standing in snow when a old tractor come down the road with a blade to clear the road.
Which is good, as I had no idea where the road really was, except it had to be near the mailboxes across the road...
Mailboxes are mounted near a road, I know this much...

Nice guy, and he had this heavy plastic doo-hickey that attaches to a whatcha-ma-callit that does something with this blade.

Hole was waller-ed out, and it could not do what it needed to.

So, I wallered out another one, right there on the spot, using da knife in my pocket.
This took maybe 90 seconds, but this includes rolling my own smoke.

Plastic was thick, similar to those heavy plastic 55 gal drums.

About the time I finished, here comes a truck with a heavy canvas tarp, flapping.
The metal grommet is gone, having worn away from the canvas.
No big deal...
I again use my knife to cut this heavy , cold, stiff rope, snag a rusty warsher ( this differs from a washer btw) on the bed of this flat bed, and just a matter of punching stiff , snow covered canvas tarp, using a warsher, and some knots with rope and no more flapping tarp.

Weapon?
Yeah, We gots snow on the roads so the tractor and blade do their thing, the flat bed is headed to where the mix he is toting is to assist with snow.

Defending against folks having a problem with bad roads.
You would want your wife and kid traveling to have a safe road, correct?
I thought so...

Knife: Just a Victorinox Spartan that came with a Classic SD, for $19 plus tax.
Sharp?
Yeah buddy!

It will shave hair off your arm, slice really thin ham or cheese, cut down that 3/4" or so branch ( bigger around than your thumb and index finger held together), and the like.

I go to a lot of trouble with this knife.

I strop using my jeans, or the back of a legal pad, or the local free newspaper, or maybe my leather belt, to maintain. Depends on what mood I am in.

It was sharpened freehand with a 600 grit small diamond dealie, one of those Eze Lap mini hones, in about 2 minutes.

I came inside, rinsed off the knife, stropped on jeans and proceeded to cut frozen Tennesse Pride Sausage and split a frozen plain Lenders Bagel for breakfast.

I was defending against hunger.

This surviving stuff, might not be so much what ya got, but knowing how to run what you brung.

WE coulda been kilt not having an expensive tack-tickle knife...

*tacky*

Your disobedient resident rebel...

 

[qwert65]

Nice post sm I used to carry a sak all the time and felt it was all I needed.
Though I now carry a knife I can open one handed as I only have one hand free sometimes(usually when working with horses) So I guess I've gone tactical(if the gerber sold at walmart is tactical )

 

[Carl Levitian]

A sak is probably the most usefull pocket knife one can have on them. Maybe that's why they are the most produced pocket knives in the world. It was a few years ago, but Knife World magazine ran an article on Victorinox, the maker of the real sak's. (As opposed to some place on asia that makes a crude red handle pocket knife)

In this article, they stated the annual production of pocket knives by Victorinox was 35 million. Yes, 35 million. Compare those production figures to the U.S. companies like Schrade, Camillus, Ontario, Kay-bar, and it dwarfs them. Aside from the Swiss military contracts, they have contracts with Germany, England, Thailand, Australia, Canada, and other countries for the suplying of pocket knives to the militarys. Then you have the civilian markets.

Having traveled outside the U.S., I can say that the red scaled sak is the most common pocket knife I've seen, world wide.

There must be a good reason for that.

 

[hso]

SM knows I carry a SAK Farmer along with a one hand opener. I used to carry a Soldier, but I like the Farmer for it's saw blade.

BTW, Here's a trick I learned long ago, instead of using the washer to replace the gromet I'd have balled the tarp around a piece of gravel (or if the temp was far enough below zero a chunk of ice) and knotted the rope around that "pouch" just to keep that ragged hole in the tarp fabric the gromet was supposed to be reinforcing from ripping out. Absent the rock or ice, or nut or whatever, I'd have used the washer in the pouch. When there was nothing else available, I have knotted the rope, cut the knot off and dropped the knot in the pouch to slip a noose about.

 

[KC0QGL]

I want to get a SIG and put a sak on it as a bayonet .

 

[7X57chilmau]

I carried SAK's for years, generally simple models like the Classic. They always served well, but I found they had a few drawbacks. I've always found the edge of a SAK too easy to chip. Not so bad that it required the whole edge to be reprofiled, but the stainless steel always seemed just a hair over-hard to me. Thus, it wouldn't hold an edge I was satisfied with for long. I haven't broken one in reasonable service.

It's not a SAK, but I use a Victorinox multi-tool, like a heavy duty Leatherman, in my shop, forge and anywhere else. This tool, while heavy, has about the best plier jaws I've ever seen, great bypass wire cutters, the standard SAK blade, a second SAK blade serrated, a saw blade and a plethora of screwdrivers, awls and other stuff. I've got the same complaint re: blade hardness, but I can live with that.

I've been thru 3 leatherman originals now (the latest pair cracked thru the plier boxjoint under normal use), but this Victorinox just keeps tickin'.

J

 

[Rupestris]

My #2 EDC is a Wenger SI. I call it #2 because it rides in the right pocket. I'm a lefty and a (SM is gonn love this) Case CV Peanut rides drivers side. The Case is Chief of the boat, SAK is XO.

SM knows I carry a SAK Farmer along with a one hand opener. I used to carry a Soldier, but I like the Farmer for it's saw blade.

The SI is Wengers version of the Soldier. I failed to get one of the Farmers when they were offered in blue and red Alox. I keep an eye open for a Farmer when browsing the isles of the sporting goods and "super" stores but to no avail. Seems a cutlery shop in SE Michigan is as rare as a surf shop.

I'll look around for a blue or red for a while longer.

 

[sm]

BTW, Here's a trick I learned long ago, instead of using the washer to replace the gromet I'd have balled the tarp around a piece of gravel...

Yes my friend, I know that...but, but, I had Warshers!
Big uns too with rust and everything!
*sticks tongue out*

You are the one that recently said to me "when an opportunity presents itself -seize it!.

You also said to ice my foot and keep tabs on swelling.
I was multitasking, with my foot with no socks, in worn out tennis shoes, in 8" snow, 'seizing warshers.

Don't tell me I don't know how to follow instructions...*grin*

Software, not hardware.

hso brings up a good point, there is more than one way to do something, and it would not have mattered either way.
Nor would it have made any difference on what knife I used to cut rope, tarp or anything.

Tractor dealie, heck I could have gone back to house and gotten an extension cord and used a drill, or if I knew where that brace-n-bit is ( which I hope I still have) I could have used it, or...we would have come up with something.
(safe backstop and not been in village limits, run a bullet through the darn thing...)

Folks just need to quit wrapping themselves around the axle of hardware, and instead discover how much can be done with software...

Do not become programmed, or dependent on physical stuff, instead be able think out of the box, assess, improvise, adapt, overcome.

Which is why I still have 8" of snow, and my walkway and driveway is not cleared.
My tools are gone and therefore I did not move with any.
There was a shovel left in the garage where I reside now, just it has no handle.

My game plan - Momma nature dumped this snow, and she can let the sun shine and temps rise to melt it.

Beats all that physical labor of shoveling the darn stuff.

*smart huh?*

 

[Carl Levitian]

I have a Wenger Si that see's regular pockettime. I love the SI! Built like a tank, covers the basic needs like a scout knife, and has the bail. I like bails, it's what we grew up with on our official boy scout knives. Plus I want a lanyard option and the Vic soldier doesn't offer one. I lost a knife overboard once because of no lanyard, I won't make the same mistake again.

 

[sm]

Re: Soldier.

I had quite a few Vic Soldiers.
Had.
Just like I "had" cast iron skillets, dutch ovens all too. Some of this cast iron was my maternal grandma's and some was cast iron she bought for me , and some other pieces Mentors passed onto to me.

Last year tornados' hit and more than once...I was affected more than once.
Mr. Murphy hates me, as I had stuff off site, in multiple locations.
All my sites were affected..

Soldiers were packed in with the cast iron.
Who knows where my stuff blew off too.

I dunno, maybe down in Jamaica someone is sipping Red Stripe beer, and using my cast iron and Soldiers to fix jerk chicken or the national fruit, Breadfruit, and making that bread they do.

I have one Soldier and I choose not to use it.
Swiss Army is issuing the new knife, and the Vic Soldier is being discontinued
So I am keeping mine for ...I dunno...general principle. I do not like the new issue, I like the Soldier which has been issued since 1961.

If I had the money, I would buy a half dozen Soldiers and use one.

Yes, the Pioneer is the same knife with a bail, again it is the principle of the thing, and the Soldier has the year on the tang, and the Pioneer does not.

Actually, all my Alox VicSaks were together, so along with the Soldiers went my Farmers, Pioneers, Solos, Pocket Pal, Classic SDs...

Life is Life.

 

[Todd A]

I am still packing the same three knives since the begining of the year.(And truth be told my Old Timers have been calling out to me,but so far I have resisted their siren call)

My Vic Hiker gets used alot,but mostly for the screw drivers and the toothpick. The saw is handy for my playing in the woods outback.

My two fixed blade blades do 99.9% of the cutting.




Yes Steve..That is a tactical black,paracord wrapped,plastic sheathed, fixed blade.

But it is flat ground 1095 carbon...

 

[bikerdoc]

One of my yard sale finds long ago was a vic secretary in blue and had Niagra Lockport on one side in silver.
Stays in he right front pocket for all kind of chores

 

[Macmac]

Geeze a guy fixes 2 things and they both go and leave him with cold feet! That just ain't right!

 

[sixgunner455]

I carry a Vic Executive everyday in the bottom of my left front pocket, under my wallet.

Lost it a couple of months ago, and got another PDQ. My favorite SAK.

Then I've got this Tinker I carried in the Army all over Creation. I carry it at least a couple of times a month, but usually it's in the nightstand drawer.

Found a Mechanic on fleabay. Has little pliers, just right for pulling cactus needles and thorns out of a dawg's pads. Carry it a lot in a belt pouch.

Pocket Pal, I've had for 20 years or so. Gets carried when I need the lightest knife I can get.

Wife has a Classic -- only knife I *know* she'll carry, cause it's on her keys.

Daughter has a red Classic, and a white one with a pen in it 'cause I got it from a TSA auction and she 'cooed' over it.

Son has a Recruit on a lanyard he carries just about everywhere he can go with a knife, especially Cub Scouts. Even carries it that way to Church.

We've got a few around here.

What is this Soldier thing being discontinued? All of ours have plastic handles. Maybe I need to get one with the aluminium handles, just to round things out, you understand...

 

[TimboKhan]

Over the last few weeks, I have taken to carrying around a Super Tinker in my jacket pocket. For most cutting chores, I whip out one of the three folders I rotate between, so the SAK knife blade doesn't see a lot of usage. The reason it is earning it's place is because the scissors, screwdriver and toothpick are so darn handy.

Also, quite frankly, I like carrying it because it reminds me of being a kid. When I was a boy, there was nothing cooler than a SAK, and the more tools the better. As an adult, I don't want a SAK with 50 tools weighing my pocket down, but I am starting to realize the real potential of a basic SAK like the Super Tinker. Plus, if I lose it, I am not out a lot of bucks given that I think I only paid 20 bucks for it at Walmart.

 

[sm]

What is this Soldier thing being discontinued? All of ours have plastic handles. Maybe I need to get one with the aluminium handles, just to round things out, you understand...

http://www.swissarmy.com/Marketing/Pages/soldierknife.aspx

http://www.victorinox.com/index.cfm...schenmesser&for_page=2&for_msg=20080911120512


Back zurück zur letzten Mitteilung
11.09 Soldiers Knife 2008
Dear customer,

thank you very much for your request dated September 09, 2008 and being interested in our products. We are pleased to answer your question.

International sale to retail:
Subject to further notice, we shall be entitled to sell the new soldier's knife also to the retail. Officially we will present this item to the retail for the first time at «Shot Show» in Orlando / USA, February 2009. First deliveries to our worldwide distribution network are not to be expected before spring 2009.

Year of production:
As in the predecessor model 0.8610.26, the year of production shall be stamped also in the new knife on the shaft of the large blade. The first batch of 10'000 units, which will be delivered to the army in December 08, will be stamped "08". For collectors we shall produce an extra quantity of pieces with year "08".

The production of the «Swiss Soldier's knife 0.8610.26» will be discontinued this year. Except the logo, the key ring and the date of issue on the blade there is no difference between the «Pioneer» and the «Official Swiss Soldier's knife».

0.8201.26 Pioneer
0.8610.26 Official Swiss Soldier's knife

If there is any further information that you require do not hesitate to contact us.

Yours sincerely


Victorinox AG
Robert Elsener
Quality manager

Bold is mine.

What has been issued since 1961 is this one:

http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools...tegory=originalswissarmyknives&product=53929&


Hence the reason, if had the money, I would buy a couple of dozen of these.

 

[sixgunner455]

Hmm. Well, perhaps I shall visit the local crack vendor... I mean knife shop, and see if they have any.

 

[sm]

Six-

Yes my friend, you would truly appreciate a Solider.
You best get one for your wife, because I know, you know, she is going snag one.

What is it with all the gals stealing knives from guys anyway?

*sticks-tongue-at-gals-'cause true*

I am serious, as I can think of five fellas that have had gals reach into the package after the little brown truck left, and snag one - or borrow a knife and it was never given back.

Two Soldiers
Two Exeutives
One Alox Solo.

*tsk-tsk*

The best price I have seen online is from SMKW.
I am not affiliated with these folks, just in checking New Graham and some others I recommend and use, SMKW has the best price.

As I said, if'n I had the monies, I'd buy a dozen of these Soldiers, and carry one, setting the others back.

I still think knife folks need to contact Victorinox and ask them to NOT discontinue the Soldier.
While perhaps it will no longer be issued to Swiss Army, this model is a serious tool in the toolbox , proven by many folks.

Not just in the USA, also around the world such as in the UK.
It is Legal in the UK and other restrictive parts of the country.

Oh, do keep in mind here in the USA there are restrictive areas where a locking knife, and one that is one handed opening is Not allowed in the workplace / campus.

If...if a situation were to come up, then one has to use the items they have.
Hence "run what you brung" , and having the Software to use Tools.

It ain't the Hardware, instead the Software.
So you get stuck in a situation and restrictions dictate no locking, or one hand opening, one is wise to have a knife that will deal with situations.

Soldier will cover the bases quite nicely.

As much as I am a traditional and practical person,and have not only in Real Life, also for Experiments used traditional knives, there is a place for SAKs.

Not only have I used a Case Peanut, yellow handles , with CV blades in Canada for 14 days, canoeing and portaging, I have used that knife as my only knife for a online forum experiment.
Yes, I can open a can of soup, or beans with a Peanut.

Just a SAK has a place in the toolbox.
Soldier is one of the best.

 

[Carl Levitian]

Although Victorinox is killing off a good soldier, the step-sister company Wenger, is continuing the SI. Basicly the exact same knife with the exeption of the bail for attachment of a lanyard.

At least I haven't heard of the SI being discontinued. (a few hail Mary's here.)

I believe that more and more places will be cracking down on locking one handed knives in the future. I've already seen it here around the Washinton D.C. area. A sak is a low profile on the radar.

 

[sm]

I believe that more and more places will be cracking down on locking one handed knives in the future.I've already seen it here around the Washinton D.C. area. A sak is a low profile on the radar.

Yes sir,
I agree.

hso and I have discussed this numerous times as well, and still do.

Yes, WE continue to fight for our rights in the USA, see the stickie at the top for organizations to join.

Still, I wanted to know how my friends abroad ended up with Knife restrictions.
The SIGNALS if you will. For the sooner one picks up a signal, the faster one can deal with a situation.


I was concerned about happened in the UK in regard to knife restrictions.
So I pay/paid a lot of attention to our Members in the UK, New Zealand and elsewhere.
Know they enemy...
One learns from history...if you will.

I have a lot of respect for our members abroad, and have learned a lot from them and continue to.
So I am upset these folks have suffered Tyranny as as they have, I mean these are super neat members , and some are my personal close freinds.

British Blades is where I ended up, doing a Internet Search one evening.
A very nice forum, civil, polite, and chocked full of great information.

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/

Scroll down to: Blades, Britain & the Law...

Now while many folks are into the latest greatest wonder steels, punching car doors with tack-tickle knives with lightening fast one hand opening, belt clips, and itching at the bit to get into a knife fight to try the latest Bruce Lee move...

Carl, you and I grew up learning the value of small penknives, such as Case Peanuts, or Hen & Rooster, Colt Woodsman, and Beretta small semi autos in small calibers by real deal folks that had been there and done that.

As I said while others were...

I was educating myself.
Paying attention to "law" and how things were "defined" and "interpreted".

Yes. The same darn things that happened to UK , NZ and other areas Globally DID happen here in the USA.
Still are!

I am not the only one that believes in Software, not Hardware around here.You cannot buy skill and targets. No tool is ever better than said user of a tool.

I do not give a rat's behind if the knife is expensive, has a edge polished to the nth degree, is faster than a speeding bullet being opened one hand, can win umpteen bazillion paper and rope cutting contests, and can slice through a army of mutant ninja emus in knife fights.

If the darn thing is illegal, it ain't gonna do you much good.
If the darn thing is restricted, it ain't gonna do you much good.

You cannot take it into areas of the Airport, or Courtrooms currently add many academic and workplace campuses

JShirley and I are not the only ones around here sharing about other non-firearm weapons, besides guns, and knives for campuses.
John and I tease about "Water vs Dr. Pepper" 20oz bottles from the vending machine.

Them folks getting from vending machines strawberry/guava/mango/dingleberry/Sprite might be a odd bunch , but they are still armed...*neener*



Heck, I used to carry not only knives, also guns into airports, courtrooms, and even Judges Chambers.
I carried knives to school, and even guns to school for Show-n-Tell, and had guns in vehicles on campus.

Dead Serious. Walk into a Courthouse with a loaded Cocked & Locked 1911 , and J frame backup, concealed with not just one, two shotguns and enter a Judges Chamber/Office.
Stand there with these guns out show how stance, foot position or maybe just have them out, and swing through following the line at ceiling and wall and trip trigger.

Other guns...heck I have left the Judges Chamber/Office with guns...
Police buildings, and had guns on my person, and no, I ain't a cop.

Give me a Korean War Vet with a GI Demo Knife , a Vietnam Vet with a SAK Spartan, to watch my back or assist me in serious situation.
I assure you we will survive.

Carl and I will take Mentors & Elders with those Case Peanuts, Hen & Rooster, The Christy Knife, Colt Woodmans (remember,.22 rimfire) Beretta small semis, and we again will survive.

Punchin' dawgies is about the person with skill sets, grit, determination, and stick-to-it-ness., to read signals early, deal with a situation and come out on the other side the winner.

Not the physical stuff.

 

[bikerdoc]

Right again Steve.
The best weapon we have is between our ears!

 

[Carl Levitian]

"Carl and I will take Mentors & Elders with those Case Peanuts, Hen & Rooster, The Christy Knife, Colt Woodmans (remember,.22 rimfire) Beretta small semis, and we again will survive."

Hey, ya forgot all those old Harrington-Richardson .22 revolvers. They were all over the place when I was a kid, everry grandmother had one in the kitchen drawer. Seemed that way anyways. Especially the lower cost ones that you had to pull the cylinder pin out and remove the cylinder to reload it.

 

[sixgunner455]

Well, I visited the old man on main street yesterday. He did have one of the silver Alox Soldiers. Has a big 07 stamped on the pile side of the tang, for a not bad price.

He threw in a used Classic, and I brought them both home.

Compared to my old Tinker and Mechanic, the Soldier is slightly longer in the handle, broader and thicker in the blade, and just seems to be ... SAK, but, more. No plastic, nothing flimsy.

I've used celidor handled SAKs for 20 years. One or another has traveled the globe with me. Handles have occaisionally popped off. Screwdrivers have twisted. Dents and such have required tweaking to the liners.

This thing doesn't have side liners. It just has these thck, tough panels of alox/aluminum, very nicely finished, too. It's the same size as my old Camillus scout knife, or this really old German scout knife.

But it's overall thinner, even though the scales are heavier and the blades are of thicker stock, and feels even more stout. I think I like the awl design better than the ones on the Tinker and Mechanic.

Very impressive. Carried it all day, cut up an apple, opened a box.

Steve, my wife carries an Eidelweiss Classic on her keyring. She doesn't like big knives, so I think this is safe.

At least until she takes the young girls at our church camping this summer ...

Oh, and Steve? It's all your fault. Has nothing to do with me being weak in the face of temptation.