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I had PM exchange with one of the mods the other day about the never ending stream of Walmart threads and would just like to offer my $.02.

I dislike Walmart for several reasons, some of them being their deliberate strategy of moving into an area and pricing any smaller competing stores out of business, their drain of local dollars away from the local economy with all store profits going back to Bentonville, and their treatment of their employees.

One thing I can't hold against them is an anti-gun attitude. There are three Walmarts within 20 miles of my home. All three sell rifles, ammo, cleaning accessories, muzzleloading accessories, targets, gun cases, .... throughout the year, more in the fall leading up to hunting season.

Walmart is a business. They don't exist to specifically please me, or you, or any other single person. They exist to make money. One of the ways they do that is by responding to market demand. Where I live, it's a pretty rural area. Lots of farms and woods. Many people hunt. Many people fish. The gun and fishing sections at my local Walmarts are decent sized. One of the three Walmarts is in a much more rural area than the other two. The golf and tennis sections of this Walmart are much smaller than the other two but they carry more hunting and fishing stuff.

They sell what their markets demand. If item X sells well in store A, Store A will continue to sell item X. If item X does poorly in store B, store B will drop item X in favor of item Y, which, in turn, will increase their profits.

Face it, our passion isn't one shared by the masses. The US as a whole is steadily turning into a nation of cowering sheeple who fear guns. Our society is moving further and further from its poineer and agrarian roots. Shooting sports are seeing less participants than in the past while hunting license sales are steadily decreasing. Many kids would rather play video games and IM their friends than spend a day at the range or in the woods. Farms and wilderness are being eaten up at a record pace to make way for housing developments and strip malls. (see paragraph two above) The only thing preserving our way of life is that pesky Second Amendment and the strong spirit of those of us who choose to still believe in it.

Walmart didn't create these trends, we have liberal politicians, corporate America and the liberal media to thank for that. Walmart is merely responding to them in the most financially beneficial way, by offering for sale the items that will sell the most and maximize their profits. If your main concern is ensuring that Walmart stocks the things you need to pursue your passion, maybe your passion should be golf. Every Walmart carries golf equipment.

Thank you for listening and have a nice day. :)
 
Mr White

Our society is moving further and further from its poineer and agrarian roots.

I might point out that our society is being SHOVED further and further from its roots.

Wal*Mart isn't the problem. Socialism in our education is. The substitution of psychology for common sense is.

That's the battleground. If RKBA is to survive, it will be because we beat back the relentless efforts to hijack the hearts and minds of each succeeding generation of our youth.
 
did anybody see the frontline special....Is Walmart Good for America?

I missed it, but they have a web summary at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/

I agree with Mr. White .... but would add that Walmart has taken the lead and is THE major importer of Chinese manufactured products. Say buy, buy to U.S. manufacturing (and jobs that pay decent wages with health insurance benefits). Other's jumped on the band wagon to keep up with Walmart and the rest is history.

Basically the best freind that the totalitarian communist regime in China ever had is Walmart.
 
I'd agree with Arfin.

I would add that as people in this country become more conditioned to rely on the nanny-state, RKBA will die a little at a time. RKBA is an extension of the independent, prepared, self-sufficient mentality. As this mentality dies off, so will RKBA.

I fear that all we can do is slow the bleeding at this point. I hope I am wrong.
 
Completely agreed, Arfin. I didn't want to drift too far from my original point by wandering off into all the causes of the "wussification of America", but politicians, the media, education, corporate America and globalization all play major roles.
 
I gotta say I agree with the dissenter, with all due respect. This country was founded upon free markets as much as any other freedom. Even the gun manufacturers themselves make concessions to "average" culture today. Sam Walton, Wal-Mart's founder, was very much for guns. But ironically if you try to Google this fact, you find crap like this:
http://www.epinions.com/content_3058540676
The conclusion of that "work" is that Wal-Mart is hypocritical for censoring vulgar CDs from their sales racks but selling guns. And its feedback is all positive. How is censorship of tasteless pop even comparable to the Second Amendment? I won't even begin to try to connect the dots to show how far the author of that is from a shred of intelligible thought. But that is how ass-backwards a great deal of the people are. They honestly don't know any better and the misinformation pumped into them by the gallon is spoiling within them, manifesting outwardly as this sort of kneejerk gibberish. These same people can cripple a company if they organize and seek to make it an uncomfortable business environment by protesting outside or the likes. Not to mention, it makes no sense to stock something for show if no one in the area is going to buy it. It'd be like keeping makeup kits on the shelves of a middle-of-nowhere truck stop. Not much business sense in it. And that's why I've got to agree that Wal-Mart's behavior is merely a symptom of a much more ominous problem.
 
walmart is not so pro gun these days

more and more stores are dumping guns,and it remains to be seen if they'll kepp the ammo and accesories.
Only the honchos know if they will dump guns at all stores,but I kind of think they will...It's just too hard to buy a gun there....based on my experience....to make any money in that dept.

Our 2 local stores have dropped guns,and my interest in going there has dropped to near zero.If a few hundred thousand gun owners/lookers/buyers react the same way,maybe they will get the message....BRING BACK THE GUNS.

maybe not.
 
We have 4 WallyWorlds now - used to have 2 - here in Lubbock. One store stopped selling guns a few months ago. They still have ammo, but as I read it they will not restock once they're out. I'm not sure if the 2 new stores sell guns or not. I suspect they don't, but I'll have to look.
 
It is coming full circle. The small gun only shops were hurt when the chains got into guns and ammo, now, the chains are getting out. Kmart is out, only sporting goods store around here that sells ammo/rifles is Big5, and at least some of the Walmarts in town are also getting out of guns sales, and probably ammo too.

I always try to buy from the local gun stores, but business for the gun only stores should be getting better.
 
12many, I hope it works out that way. It would be nice if all our gun money went to gun stores, that are far more likely to support the RKBA. Too many of us are buying guns and accessories at Wal-Mart and then whining about them. If you can, shop elsewhere.
 
I might point out that our society is being SHOVED further and further from its roots.
I wouldn't say that society is being shoved. It takes a shove to counter resistance. So much of society today offers no resistance and happily follow anyone willing to lead.
 
ethical elements....

paying a days wage for a days labor. that sounds like a decent "value" to subscribe to.

so let's go over seas to a country where there is ZERO freedom (ironically it was supposed to be the workers paradise) and cozy up to the totalitarian regime as our partner......then, in order to artificially lower the cost of goods, they will "do some things"...
1. artificailly devalue their currency, so their goods are cheaper to buy
2. squash any worker's rights organizations
3. disregard any environmental protections
4. blow off any and all forms of intelecutal property protections (copy rights, patents, etc...)

of course the robber barons of modern day China will get fabulously rich......as will the board members and executives of the American corporations that wholesale loot their companies.

it aint free trade....it aint fair trade.....it's exploitation and corruption and it's saving you and me $.50 on our latest plastic toy or consumer electronics purchase. You'll have to buy a whole lot of toys to save up enough $$ to pay for that next medical procedure....which will cost 4X what it should...to cover the cost of providing health care to the uninsured.
 
It's not that I like defending Wal-Mart, but that many attacks seem contrived and absurd.

Take the statement "that I dislike Walmart for several reasons, some of them being ... their drain of local dollars away from the local economy with all store profits going back to Bentonville."

Part of that claim is obviously untrue: Wal-Mart actually pumps money into the local economy of every area in which it has a store or distribution point. It pays its employees, they live in those areas, and they spend money in them.

Many of those local people would not have jobs, or jobs that are as good, without Wal-Mart to employ them. It doesn't take much thought to realize that: Wal-Mart employs many senior citizens and many very young people, both age groups that usually find it hard to get employment. Other Wal-Mart employees would take employment elsewhere if they were unhappy and could find better jobs.

The claim that Wal-Mart sends all profits back to Bentonville is absolutely true. So what? Every business sends all profits back to its company headquarters, even local businesses. Where else would they send their profits? That's where profits are supposed to go.

For example, the A&P grocery chain has 410 stores throughout the United States: they all send all their profits to Montvale, New Jersey. All of those stores also have local employees, which also get paid. No one complains about those practices by A&P. They're normal business practices.

An even better example might be Chrysler. All good and true Americans urge people to "Buy American," and vehicles produced by Chrysler Group companies are among those that the "Buy American" crowd buy. Chrysler Group companies pay their employees and also their dealers throughout the country, and then they send all profits back to Auburn, Michigan. And Auburn, Michigan--a good American city--sends all its profits back to Germany, which is not even in the United States. The Chrysler Group is a subsidiary of DaimlerChrysler, which is headquartered in Germany. But nobody complains about Chrysler either.

DaimlerChrysler, by the way, is reported to be considering moving its headquarters to China. One of the frequent complaints about Wal-Mart is that it stocks goods produced in China, which of course is awful. But Wal-Mart's profits go to Bentonville in the United States. If DaimlerChrysler does move to China, its profits won't even go back to Germany.

DaimlerChrysler also is reported to be considering moving its production for the U.S. market to China. "DaimlerChrysler has said it cannot build a small car at a profit in the US. Period. Labor costs are too high. A Chinese car company could provide inexpensive small cars in the US. The move would open the world's largest car market to Chinese products for the first time and give them a dealer and adminstrative infrastructure." Then a lot of U.S. car manufacturing employees would be out of work, as would be employees of Mopar and the many other companies currently in the U.S. but owned by the German company.

I'm not complaining about A&P or DaimlerChrysler. But I don't see the benefit in repeatedly attacking Wal-Mart or any other American company that employees Americans and pumps money into the American economy. Those attacks don't help keep American businesses profitable, which means they don't help American workers to be employed.

I also find it hard to swallow attacks on any one company for products produced in China or other countries. Have any of you actually bought clothing, automobilies, or other major goods produced entirely in the U.S. and made only with U.S. parts? They barely exist.

Businesses are formed and operated to make profits. There is no other valid reason for the existence of a business. A business that does not make profits goes out of business. That is the Capitalist system. Far too many people preach a form of Communism in which they want businesses to divert some (or, God save us, all) of their profits to support one cause or another: AIDS, Katrina, the Second Amendment, or whatever. That is not the Capitalist system. That is a form of Communism, in which profits go to people in need instead of to the business owners.
 
Well I spoke to a Walmart Sporting goods employee in my local store last night .

They just discontinued selling guns in the last month .

I asked if slow sales were the reason and he told me they averaged 30 guns a month , and he had been given no reason why they pulled them out .

He also said that it was "his feeling" that eventually it would be a nation wide policy . When I asked as to why he felt that way he kind of looked at his shoes and said he didn't know but that was his feeling .

I think he knows more than he can say without losing his job .

Oddly at the same time they pulled them out of this store they remodeled the next closest one's sporting goods department to look very nice and put in new display cabinet and counter area .
 
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