You can't hunt with an Assault Weapon huh?

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A Remington 55gr Corelokt, it was the only softpoint I could find on short notice, by next year I will be reloading and will probably use a bullet in the 60-69gr range.
 
The theory of the 30-06 or 8 mm is to wound a man ,wow thank's 223 is design to kill........
 
My Bushmaster CMP AR-15 is as accurate as any hunting rifle I have ever owned I have never shot a deer with it but I have no doubt that it will take out a whitetail.
As for the 7.62x39 I have taken deer at 80 yds. and they were DRT.
 
Good for sis.

I have hunted with an AR-15 carbine, but didn't take the shot I had because I was afraid of taking anything other than a neck shot with the 50 grain bullets I was using (only expanding round I had on hand). I had tested the round, and it produced explosive expansion, but not much penetration...

Remember, most military rounds are not designed to kill. They are designed to inflict wounds to disable a military's foe.
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Jack, that is utter hogwash. If you want...oh, hell...Here is the beginning of the Assault Rifle. No "wound" anywhere in there. :barf:

John
 
when you pull the trigger it squirts a bullet out of the barrel.
I let the antis who play the divide and conquer game bandy the terms "assault rifle" and "hunting rifle" about.

I see a young woman successfully hunting with a firearm.
It's black, and based on a military weapon. big deal.
 
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Lots of things may be legal, but not necessarily the best choice. Congratulations on the deer! Glad to hear you use another military caliber for your bambi hunting.

Theory on battle rifles is that if you wound a man, it disables at least one other opponent in taking care of the wounded person. You don't need to kill them to win.

Why does this myth continue to get perpetuated?
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Because people are bone heads who will believe whatever information is spoon-fed to them the most.

A 223 is adequate for most deer you will encounter in the lower half of the US. Keep using good bullets and you will continue to have good results.
 
I like how there seems to be a subtle desire to say that the .223 isn't capable of killing a deer, but yet there is a picture of a deer killed by a .223. Ruined misconceptions collapsing in on themselves seem to be causing neurons to fire backwards, and will surely be the death of us all.

Also, this nonsense about "wounding, not killing" needs to stop. This myth persists because at some point someone said something like "if we wound them, it will take X number of people off the battlefield", which is pure nonsense but apparently makes sense on some level to a wide variety of people. Any Marine will tell you that from boot camp forward, we were taught the value of a well-aimed shot, and it was drummed into our heads repeatedly that if we took a shot, we were shooting to kill, not shooting to wound. You don't think the .223 is up to the task, fine, but I can assure you that killing was our aim. Moreover, how can a rifle be designed to acheive this? A rifle, at it's core, is nothing more than a bullet delivery system. I fail to understand how a bullet delivery system can be designed to make the bullet perform in a specific way on a target. Once the bullet has left the barrel, the rifle's job is over, you know.
 
That's a pickup truck in the background.
Didn't the military in Chad use pickup trucks with a coupla guys in the back with RPG's as anti-tank weapons?
You can't hunt with an assault vehicle! We must ban them! And rubber boats with outboard motors--assault boats--them too! (Actual we should ban people who think "assault" in assault weapon has anything to do with actual assaults.)
 
I find if extremely funny that so many people who know so much...still don't know squat about what the 223 will penetrate with good bullets such as Barnes, Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Nosler Partition, etc., etc. (Jshirley...I'm not talking about you...50 grains is a bit light for shoulder or brisket shots)

They can't seem to get past the bygone days where ALL .224 caliber bullets would fragment on impact...notice I said bygone days...they are over.

I could go on and on about what the 223 Remington is capable of doing...but I won't. I will say that with good bullets...the 223 is a better deer round than a 30-30...within the same range...200 yards or less.

I'm not talking about shooting through brush....just the bullet flying 200 yards through the air to the target...the 223 Remington is a better deer killer...

Before the good expanding bullets came along...it was only a varmint round....nowadyas....its a military/long range/medium game/varmint round....very versatile.

I won't go into the long range shooting much...but with Berger VLD bullets (70, 80, and 90 grains)...the 223 is very capable there too.
 
The 55 grain FMJBT bullet used in the M193 5.56mm cartridge is not your run of the mill FMJ bullet. The bullet penetrates about 12 cm in soft tissue, yaws, breaks into at the cannelure, and fragments. I have killed a lot of hogs with that round and none went over 60 yards-most were bang flops: 100 percent recovery rate.

Look at the US 5.56mm and the German 7.62mm bullets.
http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/Zielwirkung/military_bullet_wound_patterns.html


I do not deer hunt with the .223 but would do it with confidence if that is all I had to hunt with.
 
Deer with .223.

We've killed several deer with .223 and behind the shoulder shots including some pretty big deer. The big buck in this photo was killed by a girl with a .223 bolt action. One shot. Dropped on the spot.

I'm going to shoot couple of does this year with an AR. With careful bullet placement I don't expect any problems.

The last two years I have killed deer with M1 Garand, M1 .30cal Carbine, 1903A3, P17, Krag, K31, K98, Jap T44, Swede M38, Arg 1909 carbine, Arg 1891 Carbine(s), and probably some others I am forgetting. Nothing to it.
 

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I gave my 7mm to my son and used an AR in .223 to take a 240 lb. 14 point buck. Not Bambi, maybe his daddy. I was worried before hand that I would see the biggest buck of my life and not kill him. Spooky, I did see him. I aimed for mid body just behind the right shoulder broadside as he trotted through some trees. One shot got the lungs and turned them to mush. He dropped dead in about 40 yards. I used Black Hills 55 gr psp. I don't think a heavier bullet would be better as this penetrated very well and expended it's energy in the deer. BTW it also broke the front leg on the left side. My son shot a doe in about the same way with the 7mm, it went right through leaving a better blood trail but the deer went over 100 yards. The bullet was an elk load I suspect. The .223 is plenty capable of killing deer. After all it's been killing people for 40 years and at reasonable range is better than a slug or arrow. I believe shot placement is very important and I do not like head or neck shots as I've seen too many not killed. I shoot for the heart with good results even if I just get the lungs. The deer won't go far.
 
and at reasonable range is better than a slug or arrow.
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I would (and do) disagree with that, to the extent you mean to include stuff larger than deer. An arrow with broadhead is a far superior killer on very large game than a .223 rem round of any type.
 
The M193 is extremley lethal.The deer should not go far if at all. Byron
 
CONGRATS friend. looks like she did a good job. 223 may not be a 338 but itl still kill deer. shot placement is all it takes.

Less than .240 cal isn't legal in many states for big game. If it's legal in your state, the please keep in mind that there are maximum ranges in which to expect optimal performance any caliber. Assault rifle or not.

I have a friend that took a Cow Elk with a .762x39.. Not recommended. But it was at close range.


Remember, most military rounds are not designed to kill. They are designed to inflict wounds to disable a military's foe.

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this bothers me. the guy is proud of his sis. he admits that it isnt the most super duper exceptional deer cartridge. and the very first reply is not a congratulations, but basically an attack due to the cartridge. why cant you folks be happy for the person instead of bashing them due to cartridge?

between the bashing of cartridges and the propensity of ppl who think any buck bigger than theirs is doctored up, i will not be posting story or pics of my kills on this site or others anymore
 
Why does this myth continue to get perpetuated?
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It may not be current military policy, but it is certainly not a myth. During the Civil War many commanders ordered troops to shoot to wound, knowing that a wound from a .58 caliber would result in amputations and do more harm to the enemy than killing them. Dead soldiers were abandoned or buried on the battle field and their clothes, shoes, and rifles were recycled. Wounded soldiers required a lot of attention before they died, creating a tremendous drain of resources. When Lee left Gettysburg with a slow moving wagon train of wounded many miles long, it allowed Meade to catch him before he could cross the Potamac. Only Meade's inaction and a heavy thunderstorm at that point allowed Lee to escape back across the river. It may no longer be correct for today's military, but is well documented in history.
 
I use all black guns to hunt. I have AR's in 223, 6.8, an AR10 in 308, an armalite AR30 in 300 mag, and a PTR 91 in 308. the only other gun I have that I dont consider black is a Remington 5R milspec. I dont believe its the gun or caliber its all about shot placement . Numbers of hogs have been hung in the smoker with these rifles. Theres just something about black guns that intrigue me.:D
 
My dad hunts whitetail with a mini-30 every year. It works pretty good for him, he very rarely has to shoot a deer twice.
 
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