Tex4426
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hes talking about home defense...hunting and comp. shooting whole nother ball game
You don't need a $1,000 dollar shotgun for HD.
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MCgunner
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Yes, and I decided I'd just stick with my 20 year old Mossberg camo 500. Ain't broke, don't fix it.
I did buy a Mossy 535 at a pawn shop the other day, though, in almost new condition for 170 bucks. Fired a few rounds at clays with it, works great! It's wood and steel, but that's what Johnson's paste wax is for. I'll stick with my camo 500 (rugged finish in rough conditions of the salt marsh), but I just couldn't resist that 535 and, besides, it shoots 3.5" stuff, too.
Deltaboy1984
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Good Video my 1982 870 wingmaster is ready to go. It cost less than 200 bucks new!
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JERRY, I can't take credit for the quote. Clint Smith, who is featured in the youtube clip, said it in their Shotgun for Home Defense DVD.
oneounceload
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Not quite true, but that is another thread........
A simple pump gun can work well, BUT it is NOT for everyone - it has the recoil of a 30-06 to 300 WM - not something that a lot of folks can handle
JohnBT
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"I'll stick with my camo 500"
I still have a '93 870 Express 12 ga. with a Decelerator pad I hand sanded to a perfect fit years ago to replace the rock hard original piece of junk, but I like my Win SX-2 Waterfowl better. I could be perfectly happy using my mod choked Win SX-1 field gun for everything.
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I still have a '93 870 Express 12 ga. with a Decelerator pad I hand sanded to a perfect fit years ago to replace the rock hard original piece of junk, but I like my Win SX-2 Waterfowl better. I could be perfectly happy using my mod choked Win SX-1 field gun for everything.
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IMTHDUKE
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I don't need this one....but smoke em if you got em
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That video clip is just the 'teaser' for Clint Smith's defensive shotgun video, which runs on two DVDs. It's well worth the money too, IMHO.
LGS had second-hand pump-action version of that (action is based on legendary Remington 31) with telescoping stock for $279. At that price it lasted only two days before it sold. I passed on itI don't need this one....but smoke em if you got em
but but real nice Ithaca 37 few days later.
RetiredUSNChief
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"It would be foolish to use a $1,000+ shotgun for home defense considering that if the gun is used to shoot an intruder the police are going to seize it as evidence and you may or may not get it back."It would be foolish NOT to use a $1,000+ shotgun for home defense if that's what you had on hand at the time it was needed.
Home and self defense require weapons of opportunity, whatever they may be at the time and place the need arises. If deadly force is required, I will not waste one precious second going for "that one weapon I bought for just this occasion" if I have something else handy...be that a baseball bat, kitchen cutlery, hatchet, machette, cutlass, heavy tools, or whatever.
If one is in the market to buy something for home defense as their only firearm, then I can see the logic of not spending a lot of money on it as their primary HD weapon. However, I own several firearms...if my Remington 870 that I spent $200 on is not the handiest weapon at that time, I could care less what the police may confiscate after the fact. I need something NOW, not later.
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Yes, I have a cutlass. I'm a retired Chief Petty Officer, dammit, and I wanted one when I retired!
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MCgunner
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Since I have no shotgun of 7 I own that cost more than 300 bucks, I guess the shotgun at hand will be less than 1000 dollars.
Mossberg 500 camo.............$200 (dealer cost 20 years ago)
Mossberg 535.....................$170 (used at a pawn shop)
Sarasqueta SxS 12 gauge ....$100 (in 1971, Cooks discount going out of business sale)
Winchester M1400...............$260 (Walmart 25 years ago)
Spartan coach gun..............$300
H&R 10 gauge single shot......$200
Iver Johnson 16 gauge..........a gift 45 years ago
The Sarasqueta and Iver Johnson are retired. All work and do what I bought 'em for and I like 'em even if they are cheap POSs in someone else's opinion.
Mossberg 500 camo.............$200 (dealer cost 20 years ago)
Mossberg 535.....................$170 (used at a pawn shop)
Sarasqueta SxS 12 gauge ....$100 (in 1971, Cooks discount going out of business sale)
Winchester M1400...............$260 (Walmart 25 years ago)
Spartan coach gun..............$300
H&R 10 gauge single shot......$200
Iver Johnson 16 gauge..........a gift 45 years ago
The Sarasqueta and Iver Johnson are retired. All work and do what I bought 'em for and I like 'em even if they are cheap POSs in someone else's opinion.
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I tend to buy and trade on the used market for most of my guns so it is not uncommon to be able to get that $1200 Bennelli or Browning for well under MSRP.
My SBE came from a trade in which I let go of a beauty of an older Browning Superlight even up. I had the Browning from my days in the desert when the light 2 3/4 12 was a treat to carry all day while quail hunting but failed on water fowl and heavy turkey loads.
If memory serves me I got the Browning for around $450 and trade straight across for the LNIB SBE. I have since picked up a Citori in 3" for just under $600. I do also have some Mossy's and Rems but that SBE is really my do all for hunting, I have its little brother and an 1100 rem for HD.
Having shot a little bit of shotgun I must say they aren't all created equal, just like any tool or machine, fit and finish must be paid for.
Many will work but make sure they get used well and prove their function before you hang the HD banner on them.
My SBE came from a trade in which I let go of a beauty of an older Browning Superlight even up. I had the Browning from my days in the desert when the light 2 3/4 12 was a treat to carry all day while quail hunting but failed on water fowl and heavy turkey loads.
If memory serves me I got the Browning for around $450 and trade straight across for the LNIB SBE. I have since picked up a Citori in 3" for just under $600. I do also have some Mossy's and Rems but that SBE is really my do all for hunting, I have its little brother and an 1100 rem for HD.
Having shot a little bit of shotgun I must say they aren't all created equal, just like any tool or machine, fit and finish must be paid for.
Many will work but make sure they get used well and prove their function before you hang the HD banner on them.
MachIVshooter
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Well, I have a near-$1k shotgun that was going to fill the home defense role (11-87 Police with SGT Ghost Rings), but I wound up using my $160 M-11 that I shortened.
Landric
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If one is alive to be concerned about getting said shotgun back, then it is a win. $1000 would be a small price to pay for the survival of my family and or myself, and a price I would gladly pay if necessary.
I don't think that one "needs" to spend $1000 on a defense gun, but if one does, the last concern should be what happens to it after it has done its job. A self-defense shooting is (hopefully) a once in a lifetime event for most of use. In the grand scheme of things, $1000 is not a lot of money to spend on a tool for that one in a lifetime event.
Tex4426
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Im hopeing its a (not gonna happen in a liftime) likewise im still prepared if it does
RetiredUSNChief
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I didn't see that episode of American Guns. That would have been an interesting and funny episode to watch if they had been building that HD shotgun for me, though!
Picture, if you will:
AG: Here's an old Remington 870 we've modified for you home defense! It's got a custom stock, top of the line tactical flashlight mounted on it, high-visibility sights, trigger-activated laser sight, high-end recoil pad, and a custom tooled leather strap. And, for storage, we've got this high-quality custom padded gun case with three locks and a shiney brass plaque from "American Guns"! All for only $1,800! Whaddaya think?
ME: Nice! Here's $300. Toss the fancy box, take all that crap off of it, put the original stock back on, cut the barrel down to 18 inches, and park it in the corner of my closet where I can get to it if I need it.
In my opinion, the ONLY modification (if any) I would make to ANY shotgun as a "home defense" weapon is to the barrel length. Shortening the barrel length to the minimum length in your jurisdiction makes the shotgun easier to use within the close confines of a house.
All other modifications are nonsense for home defense. You won't need an expensive padded stock, because you're not going to be firing the weapon very many times. (Firing ANY weapon in a closed room without hearing protection? GAH!) You don't need tactical flashlights mounted. (Well, I suppose you can make a point for mounting a light, but this doesn't need to be expensive.) You don't need laser sights mounted. You don't need a custom stock. You don't need a fancy sling.
For home defense you need a functional, reliable shotgun that you can easily load and maneuver in the house.
Picture, if you will:
AG: Here's an old Remington 870 we've modified for you home defense! It's got a custom stock, top of the line tactical flashlight mounted on it, high-visibility sights, trigger-activated laser sight, high-end recoil pad, and a custom tooled leather strap. And, for storage, we've got this high-quality custom padded gun case with three locks and a shiney brass plaque from "American Guns"! All for only $1,800! Whaddaya think?
ME: Nice! Here's $300. Toss the fancy box, take all that crap off of it, put the original stock back on, cut the barrel down to 18 inches, and park it in the corner of my closet where I can get to it if I need it.
In my opinion, the ONLY modification (if any) I would make to ANY shotgun as a "home defense" weapon is to the barrel length. Shortening the barrel length to the minimum length in your jurisdiction makes the shotgun easier to use within the close confines of a house.
All other modifications are nonsense for home defense. You won't need an expensive padded stock, because you're not going to be firing the weapon very many times. (Firing ANY weapon in a closed room without hearing protection? GAH!) You don't need tactical flashlights mounted. (Well, I suppose you can make a point for mounting a light, but this doesn't need to be expensive.) You don't need laser sights mounted. You don't need a custom stock. You don't need a fancy sling.
For home defense you need a functional, reliable shotgun that you can easily load and maneuver in the house.
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Much of what's on the sportsman/pursuit/outdoor channels is rubbish. I just got through seeing (turned it off, just too stupid) this show called "trigger time". They're "training" people with ARs on targets at 7 yards. And yeah, I walk down the street Corpus, go to the mall with an AR hanging from a military sling. Just HOW is this relevant to self defense unless you're a SWAT officer? Even in the home, I'm going to barricade myself and call 911. If he rounds the corner in the hall, my shotgun will speak to him. I ain't going house clearing and I really don't think the BG would wait on me to put my sling on, anyway. I don't own an AR, have no use for one at all. I have a couple of SKSs, but mostly bought 'em 'cause I couldn't resist at what the things used to sell for. I got the rifle for 75 bucks, carbine for 115. I wouldn't spend 1500 or even 800 on a gun I have no use for and I have no use for an AR at this time. I don't predator hunt and I have better calibers for deer and hogs. Why would I pass on my .308 for a .223 for hunting? Stupid.
Just a little rant on all the tacticool morons on TV. Sorry. There are lots of folks that take these "classes". If they're just having fun and like to waste money, hey, more power to 'em. Just don't think you're ever going to use this "knowledge" unless you're a SWAT officer or in the military. For personal defense, I usually have a small subcompact 9x19 on me. In the house, I keep a shotgun handy as well. It's for safe room defense. I ain't going house clearing with it. It really doesn't have to be tacticool for it to be effective.
I have noticed that any firearm costs 3 times the sporting version of the gun if they just add rails to it. Stupid, but it's the fashion now days. Makes you wonder how Doc Holiday ever made it out alive at the OK corral with his coach gun after seeing some of these stupid shows. And, hell, Stoeger even makes a coach gun with RAILS now. How stupid is THAT? I guess if you just got to have a flashlight on the gun, maybe, but not for me.
And yeah, I walk down the street Corpus, go to the mall with an AR hanging from a military sling. Just HOW is this relevant to self defense unless you're a SWAT officer? Even in the home, I'm going to barricade myself and call 911. If he rounds the corner in the hall, my shotgun will speak to him. I ain't going house clearing and I really don't think the BG would wait on me to put my sling on, anyway. I don't own an AR, have no use for one at all. I have a couple of SKSs, but mostly bought 'em 'cause I couldn't resist at what the things used to sell for. I got the rifle for 75 bucks, carbine for 115. I wouldn't spend 1500 or even 800 on a gun I have no use for and I have no use for an AR at this time. I don't predator hunt and I have better calibers for deer and hogs. Why would I pass on my .308 for a .223 for hunting? Stupid. Just a little rant on all the tacticool morons on TV. Sorry. There are lots of folks that take these "classes". If they're just having fun and like to waste money, hey, more power to 'em. Just don't think you're ever going to use this "knowledge" unless you're a SWAT officer or in the military. For personal defense, I usually have a small subcompact 9x19 on me. In the house, I keep a shotgun handy as well. It's for safe room defense. I ain't going house clearing with it. It really doesn't have to be tacticool for it to be effective.
I have noticed that any firearm costs 3 times the sporting version of the gun if they just add rails to it. Stupid, but it's the fashion now days. Makes you wonder how Doc Holiday ever made it out alive at the OK corral with his coach gun after seeing some of these stupid shows.
And, hell, Stoeger even makes a coach gun with RAILS now. How stupid is THAT? I guess if you just got to have a flashlight on the gun, maybe, but not for me.
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JohnBT
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Seven yard targets with an AR? There's that 21-foot rule again.
Were they using bayonets to clear a house or something?
Were they using bayonets to clear a house or something?
bassdogs
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Saw the same thing on Am Guns last night. What a joke. Taking an old 870 that was so meaningful to the young "youth" minister owner because it had been passed down from his grandfather, throwing out everything except the action which was bead blasted and painted black. Added a bunch of stuff, and that magic trigger job and wolla, after $1800, you have a mean looking SD shotgun. That is after he traded in a perfectively good 300 win mag rifle to knock $400 on the conversion package.
My 870 tactical costs $200 from a local pawn and needed a little touch up to remove some rust fingerprints on the receiver and mag extension. A $6 can of camo black, a cleaning [after all I had it broken down anyway] and I have a good as new SD shotgun. Oh forgot I added a limbsaver butt pad to tame the recoil.
This show is a joke and simply doesn't know it. They are so busy pimping the daughter's boob job and shooting exploding targets, they totally think the gun owning population is stupid enough to buy the crap they are selling.
My 870 tactical costs $200 from a local pawn and needed a little touch up to remove some rust fingerprints on the receiver and mag extension. A $6 can of camo black, a cleaning [after all I had it broken down anyway] and I have a good as new SD shotgun. Oh forgot I added a limbsaver butt pad to tame the recoil.
This show is a joke and simply doesn't know it. They are so busy pimping the daughter's boob job and shooting exploding targets, they totally think the gun owning population is stupid enough to buy the crap they are selling.
Tex4426
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Not stupid when ppl actually buy the stuff their selling..their the ones making tons of money of selling overpriced guns...sounds pretty smart to me
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I have Browning shotguns but they are old. Browning has since priced them selves out of the market. I didn't mind paying $450 for a Browning when a Remington 1100 was $269 plus tax & extras. I felt like I was getting value for my money.
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