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You have to pay to be a Minuteman?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by 50 Shooter, Jul 29, 2005.

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  1. 50 Shooter

    50 Shooter member

    Dec 24, 2002
    SoCal PRK
  2. SIOP

    SIOP Member

    Jan 12, 2005
    I was a little taken aback by that at first, also. I don't think anyone imagined that their first operation, which was pretty small scale, would be so successful. The next one, in October, might just shut down the whole border. They're going to have to be careful to screen out the troublemakers who are signing up just to cause trouble or create an incident to discredit the Minutemen. And Vicente Fox's chief representative in Washington, George Bush, would like nothing better than a reason to shut the Minutemen down.
  3. Zrex

    Zrex Member

    May 28, 2004
    Heh. Yeah, nice form. No thanks.
  4. Nicky Santoro

    Nicky Santoro Member

    Jun 4, 2005
    They want me to pay to put my keister on the line? Not so much. In '68 the Army paid me.
  5. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    I'm sure that Simcox would dearly love to be independently wealthy, but his life just didn't work out that way. So, without donations into the deal, how else is he supposed to continue the publicizing, the phone-calling and all the other ancillary expenses?


  6. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Nevada, escaped from the PDRK via Idaho.
    It seems a good background check would help keep out the ACLU agent provocateurs.

  7. Beren

    Beren Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 30, 2002
    Pittsburgh, PA
    $50 seems a fair price to me. Pennies compared to the money you're going to spend getting yourself there, feeding yourself while there, taking pictures, the money you're going to lose while there, and finally, the money you spend coming home. Just don't eat fast food on the way there, you'll make up the difference. :D

    It's a pretty smart move to require a self-paid background check. It'll help weed out some of the undesirables, but it won't stop a determined effort. And, it'll definitely look good: "See, we require a background check of anyone who wishes to participate. We're serious about only allowing decent, law-abiding citizens."
  8. BenW

    BenW Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Considering who some of those opposing the MM are, and what they're talking about doing, I think it's a good idea that the MM make sure to keep their ranks full of calm and rational people, or it could get ugly:


    Brown Berets threaten Minutemen

    Group urges group to think twice before patrolling

    By Cari Hammerstrom
    The Monitor

    PHARR, July 28, 2005 — Once a powerful and militant organization in the Chicano Liberation Movement, the Brown Berets made it known Wednesday that they will oppose the Minutemen border watch group with physical force if necessary.

    “We want to send the message, ‘Think twice before you come here,’” Pablo Delgado, a Brown Beret leader, said at a press confer-ence at the Hidalgo County Democratic Party headquarters.

    The Minutemen have said they will come to Texas in October, although it is still unclear whether South Texas is in their plans.

    Hidalgo County Democratic Party Chairman Juan Maldonado said the party does not condone the actions of the Brown Berets; however, because the group asked him for a platform, he agreed to let them speak at the press conference.

    “We do not need the Brown Berets armed against the Minutemen,” Maldonado reiterated after Delgado spoke. He said the people of South Texas are more “evolved” and “civil” than that.

    The Brown Berets, primarily active in the late 1960s and early 1970s, are likened to the Black Panthers.

    Further fueling the Brown Berets’ anger was the news of Bill Parmley’s resignation from the leadership post of the Texas chap-ter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps Monday. Parmley claimed the Texas chapter lacked structure and members from his area near Goliad had “racist tendencies,” according to the Victoria Advocate.

    News of possible racist tendencies couldn’t have come at a better time for the local opponents of the civilian border patrol.

    The Minutemen “are nothing more than a group of zealous over-enthusiastic racists that want to promote these types of immi-grants as being terroristic,” Maldonado said.

    Even before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Sept. 11, 2001, he said, there was an unfounded fear held by some in the United States that Mexicans were taking over the country.

    “For all the strides that we have made toward equality, the Minutemen are the epitome of hate, fear and ignorance,” he said. “We are unified to stop this racist movement from entering our region.”

    “When will they begin patrolling the Canadian border?” asked Juanita Valdez-Cox, state director of La Union del Pueblo Entero. According to the project’s official Web site, www.minutemanhq.com, the answer is soon. Volunteers to patrol the United State’s northern border with Canada are being recruited.

    Cox claims southern border patrolling is a race issue. The “vigilantes of the Caucasian persuasion” don’t want legalization for immigrants. They want the Mexican workers to be at the mercy of employers, she said.

    At the end of the press conference, Maldonado was the first to sign a petition denouncing the border watchers. The Democratic Party plans to send the petition to Gov. Rick Perry to get him to do the same.

    The petition also points out the need for more money to hire Border Patrol agents, a point deputy Mexican consulate Ernesto Herrera touched on privately with reporters after the conference.

    “It isn’t in the scope of the private citizen to do the job of the government,” Herrera said. “The Mexican government thinks the U.S. has the institution, the department in charge of protecting the border. … They (the Border Patrol) know the limits. They know that everybody, undocumented or not, has human rights. It’s not something you leave behind when you cross the border.”
  9. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    More of Mrs. Snopes Clinton's supporters in action.
  10. 50 Shooter

    50 Shooter member

    Dec 24, 2002
    SoCal PRK
    Here's a letter from what happened out here in Campo CA.

    From: California State Senator Bill Morrow

    As you may know, I was at Campo on July 16th to support the California Minutemen in your inaugural effort. I really admired the courage, self-restraint and dignity you demonstrated in the face of the radical protestors.

    It’s a sad situation when private volunteers have to step forward and face that kind of abuse because their government refuses to properly secure the border and enforce existing law.

    I intend to return to the border on Saturday, July 30th to continue my support so that at least one elected official is standing with you – literally.

    Quite simply, we will continue to stand up to those demonstrators whose real motivations have less to do with helping poor illegal immigrants than they do with subverting American sovereignty.

    Now I want to share with you my personal experience this past Saturday – which you will recognize from your own firsthand experience. It confirmed some of my suspicions about the more radical advocates of the pro-illegal immigration movement.

    I and others were heading out to meet some Minutemen in the field, my vehicle was swarmed by a gang of angry, loud protestors.

    The protestors flooded into the dirt road along the border and surrounded my vehicle. Many had bullhorns they shoved through my open window. They shouted through the bullhorns, blasting invective directly into my face.

    I presume this was an attempt to intimidate me, but Marines don’t intimidate easily.

    The protestors screamed things like, “Beat it, honky!”, “Get out of here, cracker!”, “Racist, go home!” over and over again. Now I have a personal sense of what Minutemen have to deal with on a regular basis.

    Later that day, after I had departed, more protestors stormed the Campo Veterans of Foreign Wars facility, attempting the same tactics with one of my legislative aides, who had remained behind. Not only did the demonstrators scream into his face with their bullhorns, they spat on him, kicked dirt on him, and even assaulted him by kicking his leg.

    The entire incident was observed by multiple witnesses and overheard by another legislative aide who was speaking by cell phone with the assaulted staff member at the time of the attack.

    Our experiences on Saturday seem to confirm what I’ve suspected, that the most vocal advocates for illegal immigration are hate-mongering anti-American radicals. They do not really care about the poor illegal immigrants. They merely use the issue as political ammunition and the immigrants as cannon fodder to attack the United States.

    Yes, we all understand that most illegal immigrants who enter the United States are desperate people with few prospects back home. Most come from the large underclasses of poor nations dominated by super-wealthy elites who hold all the power. We realize that these poor illegals want better lives for themselves and their families.

    But Mexico’s population now is nearly 40 percent the size of the United States’ population. And American taxpayers simply cannot support two nations at once. Our economic viability and very national security are severely threatened.

    There are right ways and wrong ways to help Mexico and other poor nations. Turning our border with Mexico into an autobahn for illegal aliens and allowing our own country to be economically and politically devastated is the single worst way.

    These protestors who scream “Racist!” at you know you’re not racists. In fact, they were the only ones screaming racist slurs. But playing the “race card” – no matter how inaccurately or unfairly – is a way for them to taint you and gain what they hope is moral high ground on the political battlefield. They don’t want you to be seen for what you really are – patriotic Americans seeking a nonviolent way to help protect your country from a massive threat.

    And that’s why you have to remain self-disciplined and not yield to their taunting and personal threats. They want to bait you into at least one politically incorrect comment or action so that they can film it, edit out their taunting, and get it run on CNN.

    Frankly, the way I see it is:

    You’re working for free –

    · to help do a government function that isn’t being adequately performed
    despite the taxes you already pay government to do it –

    · in hot, uncomfortable conditions –

    · while you get verbally harassed and physically threatened by people who look
    like their hearts broke when the Soviet Union collapsed –

    · resented by the government officials whose MISperformance you are covering
    for –

    · caricatured and lampooned in all the liberal mainstream news media –

    · and possibly shot at by angry parties from the other side of the border.

    Count me in. I’ll see you in Campo on Saturday, July 30.

    CA State Senator

    P.S.To see how the pro-invasion forces view the Campo incident on July 16, go to http://deletetheborder.org/
  11. KC&97TA

    KC&97TA Member

    Jul 17, 2005
    I tried getting my unit to give me Permissive TAD orders to the CA Minuteman program.... no luck from my current <> command, packed full of women and liberal politicaly correct <idiots> (about ready to call my congress men to get me orders back to division).

    Some BS on how would it look for a US Marine to be out roaming the boarder. When I get back form Iraq tho, I'm going down there on my leave block :neener:
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