Franksterm1
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We used to call it an undocumented interunit equipment transfer. If it stayed in the system it wasn't considered theft.
You just can't fix stupid
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The Deer Hunter
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Hey I guess when people "know" what they are talking about they "know" what they are talking about.
SCKimberFan
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How about the left handed screw-driver?
Poor East Texan
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Why just a short while ago I used a left handed air impact wrench.
To tell the truth it's ambi......
When I was a pup at the chemical company where I first worked after school, I was told (when transferring half the stuff from one drum to another empty) don't let that overflow. And by golly I stood there watching!
To tell the truth it's ambi......
When I was a pup at the chemical company where I first worked after school, I was told (when transferring half the stuff from one drum to another empty) don't let that overflow. And by golly I stood there watching!
Scoupe
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Kiltedclaymore said:
There is a long long history of hazing new and/or prospective members of a group. Fraternities are probably what come to mind, but you'll find the same in military units or job classifications today. There was also a strong hazing tradition in many trades. I knew old printers that went through hellish apprenticeships to keep their jobs. The end result is a strong bond among the group that didn't wash out.
That's how I always looked at it. A lot of what was done to me at my first units would be considered hazing now, but I'm none the worse for wear, from any of it. As a matter of fact, I still have my "Axe Qual" cover in the box w/ my first chevrons, range coach board, first set of orders and the like. The young Jarhead in question turned out to be a pretty good Marine, and a Damn Good Scrounger. As anyone who has ever been in knows, "official Channels" rarely work as well as they should and you often need someone w/ the innate ability to find things and relocate them as needed to the more deserving. In '91-92 when the Army and airforce insisted that the CNO pass orders requiring Marines to begin wearing Name tapes, a big part of the reason was that since the Army, airforce and Navy couldn't be bothered to assist them w/ their Billeting, messing and transportation needs at the begining of Desert Shield, the Marine Corps was(as they had been many times in the past) forced to beg, borrow, and steal what was needed to complete the mission. As a brand new USMC private, I was often involved in these midnight requisitioning operations, and after stealing from the Army and airforce cities that popped up in a matter of days, I feel no shame what so ever at the small comforts I took for myself and my fellow Marines in our little shanties . "We the Unwilling led by the Unqualified have been the impossible for so long, for the Ungrateful, that we are now qualified to do anything with Nothing!".
JTW Jr.
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I tell the noobs to install the software and test it and give me "
a full list of specific unknown problems we might encounter "
a full list of specific unknown problems we might encounter "
Realbigo, KiltedClaymore, and Bogie -
I didn't realize the individual whose actions were being discussed was in the military. I assumed this was a civilian stealing from the military...... but even if I had caught that part, I would have still probably made an erroneous assumption thinking that it was a crime. I didn't realize it was somewhat routine.
<---- has never been in the military.
I always love learning new stuff. So thanks for the correction.
Also, in general to those who think I was trying to pick on the guy - don't get the wrong idea. I really genuinely was trying to help and was polite throughout the entire event. I posted the story as it was somewhat funny and bizarre, but also because I will admit I walked away a little nervous that this guy knew so little but was claiming to have a permit.
In his defense, I didn't even think of the possibility of the weapon in question being a Sigma which seems highly likely at this point. You hardly ever hear about Sigmas and it seems like the whole concept was one of S&W's biggest failures. Despite this, it's still somewhat scary that the conversation went the way it did with somebody claiming to be a CWP holder, but the Sigma possibility along with the possibility of him owning old S&W brand ammo makes the confusion somewhat understandable. I just would prefer that people who have CWPs know at least a minimal amount about guns such as:
A) What caliber it is in
B) What manufacturer made it
My father who didn't know squat about guns when he bought his home protection gun, and still knows very little about guns at least knew that he had a Smith and Wesson revolver chambered in .357 magnum. That kind of basic knowledge and capacity for understanding to me is essential for people who carry weapons. I don't expect everybody with a CWP to know how to detail strip a gun, or make repairs, or replace parts - nor do I expect them to know the small differences between different ammunitions or different types of ammunition (FMJ vs HP). That kind of knowledge would be great and helpful, but fortunately gun store salesmen can often help with those who are unfamiliar with it.
The concept of somebody claiming to have a CWP, yet not truly knowing the manufacturer of the gun or the caliber it is in - seems to me to be ludicrous and scary. All it required to know those bits of information was to read the engraving in the gun's slide.
Anyways, that's my take. Nonetheless, even realizing how odd the situation was, I genuinely tried to help the guy and had he not been so stubborn, perhaps I could have successfully shared my limited knowledge of guns (but apparently more extensive than his own) with him and helped him both in the short term and long term.
I didn't realize the individual whose actions were being discussed was in the military. I assumed this was a civilian stealing from the military...... but even if I had caught that part, I would have still probably made an erroneous assumption thinking that it was a crime. I didn't realize it was somewhat routine.
<---- has never been in the military.
I always love learning new stuff. So thanks for the correction.
Also, in general to those who think I was trying to pick on the guy - don't get the wrong idea. I really genuinely was trying to help and was polite throughout the entire event. I posted the story as it was somewhat funny and bizarre, but also because I will admit I walked away a little nervous that this guy knew so little but was claiming to have a permit.
In his defense, I didn't even think of the possibility of the weapon in question being a Sigma which seems highly likely at this point. You hardly ever hear about Sigmas and it seems like the whole concept was one of S&W's biggest failures. Despite this, it's still somewhat scary that the conversation went the way it did with somebody claiming to be a CWP holder, but the Sigma possibility along with the possibility of him owning old S&W brand ammo makes the confusion somewhat understandable. I just would prefer that people who have CWPs know at least a minimal amount about guns such as:
A) What caliber it is in
B) What manufacturer made it
My father who didn't know squat about guns when he bought his home protection gun, and still knows very little about guns at least knew that he had a Smith and Wesson revolver chambered in .357 magnum. That kind of basic knowledge and capacity for understanding to me is essential for people who carry weapons. I don't expect everybody with a CWP to know how to detail strip a gun, or make repairs, or replace parts - nor do I expect them to know the small differences between different ammunitions or different types of ammunition (FMJ vs HP). That kind of knowledge would be great and helpful, but fortunately gun store salesmen can often help with those who are unfamiliar with it.
The concept of somebody claiming to have a CWP, yet not truly knowing the manufacturer of the gun or the caliber it is in - seems to me to be ludicrous and scary. All it required to know those bits of information was to read the engraving in the gun's slide.
Anyways, that's my take. Nonetheless, even realizing how odd the situation was, I genuinely tried to help the guy and had he not been so stubborn, perhaps I could have successfully shared my limited knowledge of guns (but apparently more extensive than his own) with him and helped him both in the short term and long term.
These are not aimed at anyone in particular, but this thread reminded me of a few quips on the concept of stupid.
Some people just don't know and aren't willing to learn or be taught. An old saying...to learn, one must first want to be taught.
Got a full 6-pack, but lacks the plastic thing to hold it all together.
He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier.
When his IQ reaches 50, he should sell.
Gates are down, the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
If he were any more stupid, he'd have to be watered twice a week.
If you give him a penny for his thoughts, you'd get change.
Some drink from the fountain of knowledge; he only gargled.
He would be out of his depth in a parking lot puddle.
Some people just don't know and aren't willing to learn or be taught. An old saying...to learn, one must first want to be taught.
Got a full 6-pack, but lacks the plastic thing to hold it all together.
He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier.
When his IQ reaches 50, he should sell.
Gates are down, the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
If he were any more stupid, he'd have to be watered twice a week.
If you give him a penny for his thoughts, you'd get change.
Some drink from the fountain of knowledge; he only gargled.
He would be out of his depth in a parking lot puddle.
KC0QGL
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Brain hurts now, lost I.Q. points, need to hold gun.
Being a HAM I get the same thing about radios ALL THE TIME!!! I always explaine that "Your $20 FRS
will not work with my $800 Motorola MTS2000." If anyone has any questions why they won't work together just PM me.
Being a HAM I get the same thing about radios ALL THE TIME!!! I always explaine that "Your $20 FRS
will not work with my $800 Motorola MTS2000." If anyone has any questions why they won't work together just PM me.
mljdeckard
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I just emailed this story to everyone I know. (At least everyone I know who knows more about guns than the guy in the store.)
KiltedClaymore
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it's all good, cause i haven't been in either!
i just learned it by listening to stories told by older relations who served.
Archie
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Poor Guy....
The ignorant (in the precise meaning of the word) gentleman is somewhat pitiable.
As an 'adult' who has probably made his own way in the world for some several years now, he is probably just a little reluctant to rely upon the word of a total stranger against his own memory. He is wrong of course, or at least confused, but still has the normal ego of most adult men.
Just curious, .cheese., how much younger than him are you? Could he have possibly looked upon you - wrongly - as a 'smart kid'?
Gads. Hopefully he went home, checked the firearm in question and mumbled an apology to you.
I once knew a fellow who liked guns but didn't know much about them. He had several handguns and kept a sample live round for each to take to the store when he bought ammo. He was smart enough to know what he didn't know, and in his world, taking a couple samples with him was simpler than memorizing the names. One of his handguns was a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. Could you imagine the argument had he requested a box of .30 Carbine ammo for his pistol?
On the other hand, I know - work with still in fact - a fellow who made possibly the silliest claim I've ever heard. He claimed to have been once in "the Army" in his homeland. His issue rifle was an M16 in .30-06. Yup.
Being caught off guard, I blurted out no such weapon exists. He, of course wanted to argue. I explained how the M16 rifle has an action much too short to accept a cartridge or magazine for such cartridge. His reply was they were modified. To which I pointed out that removes it from being an M16. Making such modifications to the action, barrel and gas system disqualifies it from being an M16 - that designation is a rather specific bit of machinery with rather specific dimensions and characteristics.
He kept insisting - and even asked me how I could make such a statement without having seen the weapon in question. I simply said, "I haven't seen all the Ford automobiles in the world, either, but there are no Ford Cadillacs."
He still didn't get it. Oh, well.
The ignorant (in the precise meaning of the word) gentleman is somewhat pitiable.
As an 'adult' who has probably made his own way in the world for some several years now, he is probably just a little reluctant to rely upon the word of a total stranger against his own memory. He is wrong of course, or at least confused, but still has the normal ego of most adult men.
Just curious, .cheese., how much younger than him are you? Could he have possibly looked upon you - wrongly - as a 'smart kid'?
Gads. Hopefully he went home, checked the firearm in question and mumbled an apology to you.
I once knew a fellow who liked guns but didn't know much about them. He had several handguns and kept a sample live round for each to take to the store when he bought ammo. He was smart enough to know what he didn't know, and in his world, taking a couple samples with him was simpler than memorizing the names. One of his handguns was a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. Could you imagine the argument had he requested a box of .30 Carbine ammo for his pistol?
On the other hand, I know - work with still in fact - a fellow who made possibly the silliest claim I've ever heard. He claimed to have been once in "the Army" in his homeland. His issue rifle was an M16 in .30-06. Yup.
Being caught off guard, I blurted out no such weapon exists. He, of course wanted to argue. I explained how the M16 rifle has an action much too short to accept a cartridge or magazine for such cartridge. His reply was they were modified. To which I pointed out that removes it from being an M16. Making such modifications to the action, barrel and gas system disqualifies it from being an M16 - that designation is a rather specific bit of machinery with rather specific dimensions and characteristics.
He kept insisting - and even asked me how I could make such a statement without having seen the weapon in question. I simply said, "I haven't seen all the Ford automobiles in the world, either, but there are no Ford Cadillacs."
He still didn't get it. Oh, well.
halfbreed808
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Go get that guys info. I can sell him some of my Smith & Wesson 9mm, but it's real expensive cause it's so rare. $500 for a box of 100. If he buys 10 boxes I'll throw in a free bridge of his choice anywhere in the US.
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