You should encourage your friend and his daughter to enquire if this guy was associated with the MS-13 gang and push to find out if they should expect this guy or his compadre's to show up to exact some retribution.
Young Lady Hospitalizes Attacker
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Jolly Rogers
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I'm just glad she didn't stop whacking him after just a couple of shots. I have told my family to keep up their defense until they are sure the attacker is not going to get up and come at them again. Hope he needs dental work too....Oops that wasn't high road of me. I apologize.
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All the kids wanted to make little 12" bats on the lathe in 8th grade woodshop.
I had a "friend" bean me on the head with one and it really, really, really hurt.
Perfect weight and balance such that a snap of the wrist imparts a wicked blow.
I had a "friend" bean me on the head with one and it really, really, really hurt.
Perfect weight and balance such that a snap of the wrist imparts a wicked blow.
Dirty Bob
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True, if they are used with aggression and commitment. If she'd only hit him once or twice, the results could have been disastrous. The problem, I believe, is that many people -- men and women -- would have stopped smacking him with the bat too soon. Beating someone with a blunt instrument is something that a lot of us are not really prepared to do. It can be ugly.
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I always see people critiquing with this stuff. Just because you were taken by surprise does not mean you were not alert. Deer and gazelle are extremely alert, but predators like leopards kill them all the time. There are limitations to every animal's senses and predators work to take advantage of those (criminals are predators too).
Unless you know that the victim was not paying attention to a creepy guy obviously following them or something like that you can not say that they were not aware. Ambushes are hard to be aware of ahead of time. That is why they work.
All I have to go by is the OP's account. If your alertness is excellent, you should be aware of who is around you. Feel free to give your own letter grade for her alertness. Tips have been given in this thread that would've likely allowed her to spot an ambush or someone following her.
Most of the time if your Alertness is an "A" or even a "B" you don't get graded on the other 6 Principles.
Usually when I see a gazelle taken down by a large cat, the gazelle makes a defensive move before the cat makes contact.
Most of the time if your Alertness is an "A" or even a "B" you don't get graded on the other 6 Principles.
Usually when I see a gazelle taken down by a large cat, the gazelle makes a defensive move before the cat makes contact.
Gazelle have much better sense than humans do and if you watch closely, the usually do not detect the cat until he makes his move.
Ambushes are commonly conducted successfully in combat. There is no other time than during war when you are going to be on higher alert for possible danger, yet the limitations of human senses allow for this tactic to be employed successfully.
My point is that no one has eyes in the back of their head and you can not live life constantly paranoid (maybe you do, but it is not healthy). The OP did not say anything to allow conclusions to be drawn about whether or not she was being alert.
It was dark and she went to her car. The assailant could have been anywhere and in low light, seeing other people is not easy. It is highly likely that he was out of sight while she went to her car and and that he came out of hiding when she was getting into the car. But I forgot that the internet is populated with tier 1 operators with eyes in the back of their head and super-human senses. You are never taken by surprise by anything ever.
Correct. And why does the cat make his move from distance, if the gazelle isn't going to spot him until he makes his move? Because the cat knows from experience that isn't so- if he pushes it much closer the gazelle will spot him before he makes his move, and instead of the gazelle responding to his sprint, he'll be responding to the gazelle's sprint, thereby putting him 2 reaction times (the gazelle & his) behind, relatively speaking.
Well, "attacked from the back as she is just ready to swing her legs into her car" does not fit my definition of alert.
Wrong, but when I am, I give myself a low grade for alertness. Like I said, feel free to give your own grade. I'm not changing mine.
sniper5
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Got attacked, didn't hesitate, grabbed the first thing at hand, hit him as hard as she could, as fast as she could, anywhere she could reach that would hurt, until she got "target compliance". Sounds OK to me. Even with a gun in the glove box, I wouldn't have ignored an easier to reach weapon once an attack is underway. Wrench, flashlight, knife, radio, clipboard, pen, I won't drop a weapon to look for another. Use the weapon you have, not the one you wish you had. Speed, ferocity, determination, resolve, and the element of surprise are all more important than the tool.
mickeygrimreaperblueeyes
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I am again agast at the lack of laws concerning self defense. In INdiana, we have a great castle doctrine and parking lot protection act. AnyWhere you have a legal right to be, you have the right to protect yourself, others and your property from the commision of a Felony. Last I looked, Kidnapping is a Felony. Dead Kidnapper is Not a Felony. There is a long list of what Felonies are in this state. Glad to know that other states that share reciprocity are less libertarian in these regards. Because an Indiana CCW doesn't carry anything but the GUn and the personal possession of it outside the state. We are on the hook for all of the silly little laws of all the other states that our permits are honored with.
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