horsemen61
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So general consensus on this gun is it worth buying I am looking at the 22 hornet model
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Hello:
Ill be honest with you I didn't read the entire posts but if your asking about the Rem 799 in 22 hornet.
Then I have two of them and they shoot great with my reloads.
But after a yr I wanted a couple of extra clips so called Remington and nope no clips no fire pin no parts period.
Ok rem said it was the same as a zastava M85-161 22 hornet parts wise and from what I have researched it is.
But ill be crapped on if after two years now of emailing calling ect every possible contact to date that all I have found is we sell the guns but never had parts.
I am now contacting foreign dealers lookin for parts and just started that yesterday and so far no replies helping at getting parts.
Love the rifle and would love a 799 in the 7.62x39 but with no parts to be had im holding back.
Im lucky since my 2 Rem 799 22 Hornets are up and runnin but hey if I loose an extractor or fire pin ect IM @#$%^&* and so you will be too if it happens to you.
Just letting you know.
But yeah I love the 2 Rem 799 22 hornets I have mine and my boys is why two.
IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO GET ZASTAVA M85 OR REM 799 PARTS PLEASE LET US KNOW.
Thanx Head Shot
Ill be honest with you I didn't read the entire posts but if your asking about the Rem 799 in 22 hornet.
Then I have two of them and they shoot great with my reloads.
But after a yr I wanted a couple of extra clips so called Remington and nope no clips no fire pin no parts period.
Ok rem said it was the same as a zastava M85-161 22 hornet parts wise and from what I have researched it is.
But ill be crapped on if after two years now of emailing calling ect every possible contact to date that all I have found is we sell the guns but never had parts.
I am now contacting foreign dealers lookin for parts and just started that yesterday and so far no replies helping at getting parts.
Love the rifle and would love a 799 in the 7.62x39 but with no parts to be had im holding back.
Im lucky since my 2 Rem 799 22 Hornets are up and runnin but hey if I loose an extractor or fire pin ect IM @#$%^&* and so you will be too if it happens to you.
Just letting you know.
But yeah I love the 2 Rem 799 22 hornets I have mine and my boys is why two.
IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO GET ZASTAVA M85 OR REM 799 PARTS PLEASE LET US KNOW.
Thanx Head Shot
Jason_W
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I recently had a Zastava Mini-Mauser in 7.62x39. It was OK, but the action was anything but smooth. In retrospect, I should have saved and waited until I could afford and find one of the CZs.
The Interarms Mark X / Remington 798 are good basic commercial Mauser actions.
The "Mini-Mauser" / Remington 799 resembles a Mauser in that it's a bolt action, but that's about where the similarity ends. Neat little guns, but if you get a new one be SURE to clean out the bore before you fire it. I pushed about a foot and a half of red grease out of the bore of my 223. I was really glad I didn't just fire it because it was new.
Also be aware that the bolt is tiny and doesn't offer much leverage. You can make the cocking effort smoother, but you can't make it much lighter.
Edarnold
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I have a Interarms Mark-X in .223, the previous owner put on a Bell&Carlson synthetic sporter stock, which looks much more finished than the later factory wood. Also drops some weight, the gun is a keeper in my opinion. Since I'm not planning on shooting steel-case ammo, I'm not worried about needing parts.
More on Zastava M85
I purchased my Zastava M85 about 6 months ago from a local custom gunsmith friend. The rifle is a left-hand version in 223 caliber.
As I understand, Zastava of Serbia (formerly Yugoslavia) is the company that was manufacturing these for Remington (M-799), Interarms (Mark X) and Charles Daley. It appears that each of these had variations depending on the contracts. I have also read the CZ 724 is similar but the bolt design is different.
As stated above mine is left-handed and the reason I jumped at the opportunity to own one. It is my understanding that Zastava just started manufacturing left-handed versions. I also hear they are planning to manufacture the full size M98 action in a left-hand version too. This is great news for left-handers. My source builds custom rifles based on the M98 action.
My comments on my Zastava M85 are as follows. The rifle is very light (under 6 pounds). The machine work is good quality and everything including the trigger-guard and drop-plate are steel with a hot blued finish. Unlike many rifles sole today the Zastava comes with iron sights with a removable hood on the front site. The rear site folds down. The action is also drilled for scope mounts. The action is real tight and I expect a little break-in will improve the feel.
The Monte Carlo style stock appears to be good quality Walnut. But the finish is lacking. I’m not even sure a sealer was applied. This is easily resolved and I finished mine with a hand rubbed finish. I will try to attach before and after pictures. Mine has also been glass bedded and a Weaver 4-16x44mm scope was mounted.
I have not tested my M85 yet so I will reserve accuracy comments till a later date. I plan to work up some hand-loads specifically suited for deer hunting. It will be nice to have a light weight rifle to carry.
Have a great day!
Rod
I purchased my Zastava M85 about 6 months ago from a local custom gunsmith friend. The rifle is a left-hand version in 223 caliber.
As I understand, Zastava of Serbia (formerly Yugoslavia) is the company that was manufacturing these for Remington (M-799), Interarms (Mark X) and Charles Daley. It appears that each of these had variations depending on the contracts. I have also read the CZ 724 is similar but the bolt design is different.
As stated above mine is left-handed and the reason I jumped at the opportunity to own one. It is my understanding that Zastava just started manufacturing left-handed versions. I also hear they are planning to manufacture the full size M98 action in a left-hand version too. This is great news for left-handers. My source builds custom rifles based on the M98 action.
My comments on my Zastava M85 are as follows. The rifle is very light (under 6 pounds). The machine work is good quality and everything including the trigger-guard and drop-plate are steel with a hot blued finish. Unlike many rifles sole today the Zastava comes with iron sights with a removable hood on the front site. The rear site folds down. The action is also drilled for scope mounts. The action is real tight and I expect a little break-in will improve the feel.
The Monte Carlo style stock appears to be good quality Walnut. But the finish is lacking. I’m not even sure a sealer was applied. This is easily resolved and I finished mine with a hand rubbed finish. I will try to attach before and after pictures. Mine has also been glass bedded and a Weaver 4-16x44mm scope was mounted.
I have not tested my M85 yet so I will reserve accuracy comments till a later date. I plan to work up some hand-loads specifically suited for deer hunting. It will be nice to have a light weight rifle to carry.
Have a great day!
Rod
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Nice rifle Rod. The 798s and 799s were cool. Damn shame Remington screwed that all up. Never cared for the laminate stocks they came with at my LGSs. Your stock looks much nicer.
I've been interested in these guns for a while. Finances haven't worked out so far.
FWIW, I had a CZ527 in 223, I simply didn't like several things about it. I wouldnt buy another one. Nicely built. Poor design features in my opinion. I'd rather have one of the less well finished guns in a more standard format, and do the finish upgrades. The 527's are simply stuck being the way they are.
FWIW, I had a CZ527 in 223, I simply didn't like several things about it. I wouldnt buy another one. Nicely built. Poor design features in my opinion. I'd rather have one of the less well finished guns in a more standard format, and do the finish upgrades. The 527's are simply stuck being the way they are.
Mini Mauser Parts
Head Shot:
I'm sorry, ignored your request regarding parts information. With a little searching this morning on Numrich Arms web site http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ I found the parts list for the Remington Model 799 which you can get for $1.50 (PDF0653). I found this by first searching on "mini mauser" and then selected Charlies Daly as manufacturer and went to page 7. Numerich also lists a lot of Mauser parts so you can try searching on the part number from the list.
If you don't find what your looking for on the Numerich Arms site you will probably need to contact one of the importers. I see you already ran into this with the 22 Hornet clips. I see another post on this forum that you contacted Zastava by email.
My friend mentioned in the earlier post is a custom gunsmith that specializes in Mauser. I'm sure you can find a local gunsmith that can get you parts. If you find yourself in need of an extractor I read that that two flavors of extractors were used in this rifle. One being the "Sako" type extractor these are very strong and unlikely to fail.
I noticed that Midway USA stocks a Timmey trigger for all the min-Mauser's. I also see stocks for them and several sites.
Head Shot:
I'm sorry, ignored your request regarding parts information. With a little searching this morning on Numrich Arms web site http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ I found the parts list for the Remington Model 799 which you can get for $1.50 (PDF0653). I found this by first searching on "mini mauser" and then selected Charlies Daly as manufacturer and went to page 7. Numerich also lists a lot of Mauser parts so you can try searching on the part number from the list.
If you don't find what your looking for on the Numerich Arms site you will probably need to contact one of the importers. I see you already ran into this with the 22 Hornet clips. I see another post on this forum that you contacted Zastava by email.
My friend mentioned in the earlier post is a custom gunsmith that specializes in Mauser. I'm sure you can find a local gunsmith that can get you parts. If you find yourself in need of an extractor I read that that two flavors of extractors were used in this rifle. One being the "Sako" type extractor these are very strong and unlikely to fail.
I noticed that Midway USA stocks a Timmey trigger for all the min-Mauser's. I also see stocks for them and several sites.
The Zastava mini-Mauser Sako style extractor is the weak point. I had a Rem 799 in 7.62x39 and extractor chipped after 50 rounds of steel case Wolf ammo. Hard to find extractor and replacement parts. EAA was the service provider for Remington 799 at the time and I was lucky that they had extractor. I fixed it and sold my 799.
"Sako" Type Extractor
All:
HankC thanks for your comment on a broken "Sako" type extractor. I'm aware of claw type extractor being issues. The real issue is the bolt is considered weaker than the Remington 700 design type of bolt where the bolt head is a complete ring with out the cutout for the claw. Remington extractors are also prone to failing on heavy use. But they are simple to replace.
I avoid extractor issues as I never use any steel case ammo.
Have a great day!
All:
HankC thanks for your comment on a broken "Sako" type extractor. I'm aware of claw type extractor being issues. The real issue is the bolt is considered weaker than the Remington 700 design type of bolt where the bolt head is a complete ring with out the cutout for the claw. Remington extractors are also prone to failing on heavy use. But they are simple to replace.
I avoid extractor issues as I never use any steel case ammo.
Have a great day!
greyling22
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Rod: I have a charles daly mini-mauser that I bought as a left hand 223 action and made a stock for it. Assuming yours is like mine: I lightened the firing pin spring a bit, then polished the guide rails with flitz some to improve cycling the bolt. Then bent the bolt handle and flattened to knob on top to aid in scope clearance. The chamber is very tight. I have had significantly better results with 50 grn bullets than 55grn. Also, for whatever reason, I would up having to use burris signature rings with the offset inserts for that gun. The receiver wasn't level or something. And finally, you know the trigger is adjustable down to a nice light and crisp pull right?
Can't say I've had any issues with the extractor either.
Can't say I've had any issues with the extractor either.
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Greyling22:
Good information!
I wasn’t aware left-hand versions of the mini-mauser were made for Charles Daley. The one I have is a new Zastava M85. I’m also hearing they are going to produce left-hand Mauser 98 actions.
Your refinements sound good. My gunsmith-friend Glass bedded mine and tuned the trigger. I’m just a hobbyist and don’t attempt anything that would affect safety. Are you a gunsmith? I’m interested in guide rail polishing technique using Flitz. Are you using the liquid or paste type of Flitz? Are you applying to the rails and bolt and lapping them together? What is the best way?
I’m also interested in lightening the firing pin. But I wouldn’t want to over-do it. Did you cut or grind the spring? Are there replacement or springs available with lighter weight?
As for your tip on use of 50 grain bullets! I’m a very experienced re-loader. I suspect the barrel has a slower twist rate (like a 1:12) and is failing to stabilize heaver bullets that a 1:9 twist would. Do you know what the twist rate of your barrel is?
Anyway I’ll look for your details on firing pin tuning and the bolt rail polishing.
Have a great day!
…. Rod
Greyling22:
Good information!
I wasn’t aware left-hand versions of the mini-mauser were made for Charles Daley. The one I have is a new Zastava M85. I’m also hearing they are going to produce left-hand Mauser 98 actions.
Your refinements sound good. My gunsmith-friend Glass bedded mine and tuned the trigger. I’m just a hobbyist and don’t attempt anything that would affect safety. Are you a gunsmith? I’m interested in guide rail polishing technique using Flitz. Are you using the liquid or paste type of Flitz? Are you applying to the rails and bolt and lapping them together? What is the best way?
I’m also interested in lightening the firing pin. But I wouldn’t want to over-do it. Did you cut or grind the spring? Are there replacement or springs available with lighter weight?
As for your tip on use of 50 grain bullets! I’m a very experienced re-loader. I suspect the barrel has a slower twist rate (like a 1:12) and is failing to stabilize heaver bullets that a 1:9 twist would. Do you know what the twist rate of your barrel is?
Anyway I’ll look for your details on firing pin tuning and the bolt rail polishing.
Have a great day!
…. Rod
greyling22
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Zastava has made a full line of left hand mausers and mini-mausers for years. Charles daly imported both the mini and the real mausers as lefty's. here's one http://www.armslist.com/posts/52733...xcellent-like-new-condition-with-original-box Nobody else has really bothered to import the left hand actions since. Once again we get shafted.
No, I am not a gunsmith. I tinker, and this mini-mauser was a a number of scary firsts for me. First time I bedded a rifle, first time I locked up an action screw and had to drill it out. First time I discovered that you don't buy things that don't have parts available or a stable importer anymore ( bought the barreled action, then charles daly went under and left me with no support) First time I bent a bolt handle, first time I had to do massive amounts of fitting and woodwork on a stock. First time I invested WAY more time and money into a project than I could ever possibly get back out of it up on a sale. (A cautionary lesson that has stood me in good stead since)
There may be another name for it, but my gunsmith friend called it "turning down the spring". Basically instead of cutting coils off the spring and grinding the ends flat, I took the whole spring and took a belt sander to the outside of it, a little at a time so as not to let it get too hot and ruin the springieness. So instead of a round wire coiled into a spring, I now have something whose cross section resembles a capital D, coiled into a spring. I don't know if it is accepted practice, but it worked.
For the flitz I just smeared the paste on the rails inside and out and worked the bolt a bunch. I also tried a buffing wheel covered in is on a dremel in a couple of spots. I also took that guide on the bolt that looks a little like the extractor on a mauser off and polished and greased around the collar to see if I could get it to turn easier. Basically I have tried a bunch of stuff to see if I could get the bolt to cycle easier, and I can't really say I've had a whole lot of success. I mean, it's lighter and smoother, but it's no A-bolt. Man I wish they made a left handed short action A-bolt......
And yes, I believe my twist is 1:12
No, I am not a gunsmith. I tinker, and this mini-mauser was a a number of scary firsts for me. First time I bedded a rifle, first time I locked up an action screw and had to drill it out. First time I discovered that you don't buy things that don't have parts available or a stable importer anymore ( bought the barreled action, then charles daly went under and left me with no support)
First time I bent a bolt handle, first time I had to do massive amounts of fitting and woodwork on a stock. First time I invested WAY more time and money into a project than I could ever possibly get back out of it up on a sale. (A cautionary lesson that has stood me in good stead since)There may be another name for it, but my gunsmith friend called it "turning down the spring". Basically instead of cutting coils off the spring and grinding the ends flat, I took the whole spring and took a belt sander to the outside of it, a little at a time so as not to let it get too hot and ruin the springieness. So instead of a round wire coiled into a spring, I now have something whose cross section resembles a capital D, coiled into a spring. I don't know if it is accepted practice, but it worked.
For the flitz I just smeared the paste on the rails inside and out and worked the bolt a bunch. I also tried a buffing wheel covered in is on a dremel in a couple of spots. I also took that guide on the bolt that looks a little like the extractor on a mauser off and polished and greased around the collar to see if I could get it to turn easier. Basically I have tried a bunch of stuff to see if I could get the bolt to cycle easier, and I can't really say I've had a whole lot of success. I mean, it's lighter and smoother, but it's no A-bolt. Man I wish they made a left handed short action A-bolt......
And yes, I believe my twist is 1:12
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