Destructo6
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Defiance and threats. That's more than enough for a suspension.
Zero-tolerance goes awry, again
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Art Eatman
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The question not asked: What bloomin' difference does it make if a kid has a rubber band on his arm? Why did the teacher give a rat's patoot?
The world is getting just way too ful of folks who seem to want to make careers of picking fly poop out of pepper.
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Art
The world is getting just way too ful of folks who seem to want to make careers of picking fly poop out of pepper.
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Sean Smith
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I think this is where the stupidity comes in, not the fact that the kid got suspended for acting like an ass.
In 7th grade, we used to take stick pins, put a small strip of paper against the head, and shoot them out of straws. You could make them stick into a cork bulletin board. I shot one at a girl who I was friendly with in 7th grade English. I hit her right in the backside. She squealed on me. I had to write "I will not shoot pins in 7th grade English class" 200 times. The girl? I ended up marrying her. Go figure.
Joe Demko
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I can think of two possibilities there:
1. He wasn't just wearing it on his wrist. How does the possibility that he had been snapping his classmates or otherwise causing annoyance with it strike you?
2. It wasn't just a regular rubberband from a newpaper or whatever. It was one from a lab activity and the teacher didn't see why he should be allowed to walk away with it.
How long has it been since you were in a classroom, Art? The environment there today is so different from the one you remember that your experience doesn't really apply any more.
TallPine
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The publik skoolz have (for the most part) refused to teach any form of morality (on the grounds that right vs wrong might be religious 
) now for at least 30 years. Couldn't possibly swat a brat who is being impertinent to a teacher.
It sounds to me like they are now reaping what they have sown.
I had a college professor a dozen years or so ago who was griping about the poor academic quality of incoming freshman. Since I was an older non-traditional student I certainly agreed with him on that point. But he was then already in his late 60s, and I always wanted to point out to him that HE was one of the ones that taught these kid's teachers...
) now for at least 30 years. Couldn't possibly swat a brat who is being impertinent to a teacher.It sounds to me like they are now reaping what they have sown.
I had a college professor a dozen years or so ago who was griping about the poor academic quality of incoming freshman. Since I was an older non-traditional student I certainly agreed with him on that point. But he was then already in his late 60s, and I always wanted to point out to him that HE was one of the ones that taught these kid's teachers...
HankB
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Taking the story at face value . . .
If the rubber band is considered to be a "weapon" then it would seem the person who provided the "weapon" is even more culpable. Perhaps more lenient punishment is in order if the kid squeals on the rubber band kingpin who's arming students with these things.
If the rubber band is considered to be a "weapon" then it would seem the person who provided the "weapon" is even more culpable. Perhaps more lenient punishment is in order if the kid squeals on the rubber band kingpin who's arming students with these things.
walking arsenal
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In the practice of medicine there is a differentiation of treatment according to the yin and yang of man and women. There is also a difference in pulse. In the last fifty years, however, mens pulse has become the same as women's. Noticing this, in the treatment of eye disease I applied womens treatment to men and found it suitable. When i observed the men's treatment to men, there was no result Thus i knew that mens spirit had weekened and that they had become the same as women, and the end of the world had come. since i witnessed this with certainty, i kept it secret.
When looking at the men of today with this in mind, those who could be thought to have a womens pulse are many indeed, and those who seem like real men few. Because of this, if one were to make a little effort, he would be able to take the upper hand quite easily. That there are few men who are able to cut well in beheadings is further proof that men's courage has waned. And when one comes to speak of kaishaku, it has become an age of men who are prudent and clever at making excuses. Forty or fifty years ago, when such things as matanuki were considered manly, a man wouldnt show an unscarred thigh to his fellows, so he would peirce it himself.
All of man's work is bloody business. That fact, today, is considered foolish, affairs are finished cleverly with words alone, and jobs that require effort are avoided. I would like young men to have some understanding of this.
Excerpt from,
Hagakure, the book of the samurai
by Yamamoto Tsunetomo
When looking at the men of today with this in mind, those who could be thought to have a womens pulse are many indeed, and those who seem like real men few. Because of this, if one were to make a little effort, he would be able to take the upper hand quite easily. That there are few men who are able to cut well in beheadings is further proof that men's courage has waned. And when one comes to speak of kaishaku, it has become an age of men who are prudent and clever at making excuses. Forty or fifty years ago, when such things as matanuki were considered manly, a man wouldnt show an unscarred thigh to his fellows, so he would peirce it himself.
All of man's work is bloody business. That fact, today, is considered foolish, affairs are finished cleverly with words alone, and jobs that require effort are avoided. I would like young men to have some understanding of this.
Excerpt from,
Hagakure, the book of the samurai
by Yamamoto Tsunetomo
This is sad indeed. I fondly remember a rubber band war we had in advanced Chemistry in high school. The teacher was one of the ones involved. He had the mega band which was a whopper of a rubber band that you could hear sailing at you. we would take turn shooting it at each other as we dodged about the classroom. Could we of got hurt . . . sure but we had a lot of fun and we only fired them at those who joined in on the conflict. We would call a cease fire when non combatants entered the area.
Soon the kids will have to wear full body armor with helmets to prevent any chance hurt. In trying to save the world these people are sucking any fun out of it.
Soon the kids will have to wear full body armor with helmets to prevent any chance hurt. In trying to save the world these people are sucking any fun out of it.
Archie
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I have to second Joe's question.
How do we know the story, as reported in the newspaper, is the actual chain of events that transpired?
Is it possible the kid was doing more than simply wearing the rubber band around his wrist? Is it possible he didn't just '...toss it on the teacher's desk...'?
Having said that, I still find it ridiculous this wasn't handled on the spot by either the teacher or principle. With a judicious butt-warming, if required, and resumption of class.
I don't know who I trust more (or less); clueless parents of trouble-making, monster children, or spaced-out 'educators'. What really hacks me off is the child in question is not getting a proper education; he's not learning much of the three "R"s, and he isn't learning about being a proper person and citizen.
How do we know the story, as reported in the newspaper, is the actual chain of events that transpired?
Is it possible the kid was doing more than simply wearing the rubber band around his wrist? Is it possible he didn't just '...toss it on the teacher's desk...'?
Having said that, I still find it ridiculous this wasn't handled on the spot by either the teacher or principle. With a judicious butt-warming, if required, and resumption of class.
I don't know who I trust more (or less); clueless parents of trouble-making, monster children, or spaced-out 'educators'. What really hacks me off is the child in question is not getting a proper education; he's not learning much of the three "R"s, and he isn't learning about being a proper person and citizen.
Standing Wolf
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Today rubber bands, tomorrow fully automatic-high powered .50 caliber sniper assault terrorist machine gun semi-automatic gun show bullet sprayers.
Sorry if I left anything out.
cracked butt
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I think Joe has a good point. A 13 yo boy, a rubberband, and a teacher who wants to confiscate it. There was no way the 13yo was just wearing it on his wrist, he was screwing around with it and being disruptive, I guarantee this this. The kid probably did give it up disrespectfully and maybe did shoot it at the teacher. I shiver to think of the consequences if I did something like this to one of the nuns when I was that age.
Now inflicting harm with a rubber band is a stretch (no pun intended), but to shoot it at an adult would be an incredibly punkarse disrespectful thing to do, though I don't think it should rank all the way up there with arson and bomb threats.
Now inflicting harm with a rubber band is a stretch (no pun intended), but to shoot it at an adult would be an incredibly punkarse disrespectful thing to do, though I don't think it should rank all the way up there with arson and bomb threats.
joab
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I only got one day detention for throwing an explosive device at a teacher at the same middle school 25 years ago
walking arsenal
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same teacher joab?
joab
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Different teacher, Same additional punishment as SteveS mentions
Aguila Blanca
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But the article didn't state how large it was. Maybe it was one of those horrible .50 caliber rubber bands. Or maybe one of the evil "cop killer" rubber bands.
Schools can't be too careful these days, ya know.
Sheesh!
Joe Demko
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So how long have you been teaching?
myrockfight
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Might want to hear more facts before concluding...
There always seems to be an abnormally large amount of odd happenings in Florida schools.
From our perspective it certainly seems quite ridiculous that a boy should be suspended or have a mark on his record equivalent to selling drugs or physically assaulting someone. Don't get me wrong, I believe it is.
Unfortunately, the kid might be one of the "problem children" and this just happens to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Now the school district is calling the rubber band a weapon, not because of what it is, but because of how it was used and the intent of the person using it (demonstrated by his previous behavior).
Many of us have argued or agreed with the fact that a knife or gun is simply a tool. Any tool or object can be classified as a weapon, due to the manner in which it was used by an individual and what their intent with the object in question was.
I am simply demonstrating what the reasoning of the school officials may be. However, I am not saying that I agree with them or disagree with them. I would have to know more about the incident and the kid's history to be able to "take a side."
There always seems to be an abnormally large amount of odd happenings in Florida schools.
From our perspective it certainly seems quite ridiculous that a boy should be suspended or have a mark on his record equivalent to selling drugs or physically assaulting someone. Don't get me wrong, I believe it is.
Unfortunately, the kid might be one of the "problem children" and this just happens to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Now the school district is calling the rubber band a weapon, not because of what it is, but because of how it was used and the intent of the person using it (demonstrated by his previous behavior).
Many of us have argued or agreed with the fact that a knife or gun is simply a tool. Any tool or object can be classified as a weapon, due to the manner in which it was used by an individual and what their intent with the object in question was.
I am simply demonstrating what the reasoning of the school officials may be. However, I am not saying that I agree with them or disagree with them. I would have to know more about the incident and the kid's history to be able to "take a side."
mmike87
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It was not the boy who committed the infraction.
It was the rubber band.
Rubber bands must be banned. They are dangerous, and can just "go off" without notice. Look at the corrupting influence the mere presence of a rubber band has on impressionable young youths?
Rubber bandfs and all other storage devices of potential energy must be prohibited immediately.
It was the rubber band.
Rubber bands must be banned. They are dangerous, and can just "go off" without notice. Look at the corrupting influence the mere presence of a rubber band has on impressionable young youths?
Rubber bandfs and all other storage devices of potential energy must be prohibited immediately.
joab
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My son was just suspended for a week for fighting.
A fat kid accused him of stealing his sandwhich at lunch. The kid grab him and put him in a weak sleeper hold, my son got out of it and dotted is eye.
This was verified
I have no real problem with the suspension ( he got to go to Disney with us)
But he was told that if others had seen it and did the circle thing he would have been taken to juvy. Which I think is way over board
A fat kid accused him of stealing his sandwhich at lunch. The kid grab him and put him in a weak sleeper hold, my son got out of it and dotted is eye.
This was verified
I have no real problem with the suspension ( he got to go to Disney with us)
But he was told that if others had seen it and did the circle thing he would have been taken to juvy. Which I think is way over board
jimpeel
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Once again the inhabitants of the land of Might Have Been have spoken.
David W. Gay
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I've taken "guns" to school...
There was a time, while in the 2nd or 3rd grade, for show-and-tell, that I took my 'six-shooten' cap guns and belt to school. Guess what happened? Nothing - except for some yawns from the class.
When I was in - oh, the 4th or 5th grade, I made & took a rubber band gun to school! Some friends and I were going to have a "shootout". However, the whole event was derailed, and I received the most horrible of punishments: I was told to put it away! I was so embarrassed.
At some later point, I even made a rubber band (assult) riffle.
Popsicle sticks were so much fun, and so versatile as a construction material.
Oh, the innocent '70's...
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There was a time, while in the 2nd or 3rd grade, for show-and-tell, that I took my 'six-shooten' cap guns and belt to school. Guess what happened? Nothing - except for some yawns from the class.
When I was in - oh, the 4th or 5th grade, I made & took a rubber band gun to school! Some friends and I were going to have a "shootout". However, the whole event was derailed, and I received the most horrible of punishments: I was told to put it away! I was so embarrassed.
At some later point, I even made a rubber band (assult) riffle.
Popsicle sticks were so much fun, and so versatile as a construction material.
Oh, the innocent '70's...
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