Zero tolerance gone too far

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>> The kid broke the rules, no matter how stupid they are, he should still face the consequences. <<

According to the story, the student did not deliberately bring this unloaded bb-gun to school. At the time he was unaware that he had it.

He also didn't have any "ammunition" (read that to mean b-b's).

Also he apparently didn't threaten anyone, in any way.

>> You don't like the rules, then change them. <<

Sure ................ Like how??? I take it that this is a liberal leaning school district. At least they act that way ...


>> Hey, I am the first to tell you Zero tolerance is BS ... <<

Really think so?? Sure doesn't sound like it. :rolleyes:
 
I still have my father's trophy from 1958 when he was in a competition while on the high school shooting team.......I wish my high school was that cool. :(
 
I've been carrying one kind of knife or another since I was like 10...of course we had a high school rifle team..and this was in the 80's not so long ago...I have a zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies :uhoh:
 
I carried a pocket knife (what they called a "Boy Scout Knife", Remington's version of a Swiss Army Knife) since about 5th grade. Never got a second look, and this was in Chicago.

As a freshman in high school circa 1971, I did a required presentation for some class, and did it on "Terminal Ballistics" which included pass-around samples of recovered bullets. Got an "A" for both that assignment and that course. (Chicago again.)

Shortly before summer break, squirt-gun "wars" broke out in my high school each year. No big deal until "someone" sniped the school principal as he was walking in. :evil:

There are other examples, but for today's reaction . . . well, look at my .sig, it says it all.
 
Better leave the pencils and pens at home too. Hope nobody sharpened their baseball spikes. Course with that rule the team can't have bats either..right??

Exactly. Aren't they putting their baseball team at a distinct disadvantage by making them play with whiffle ball bats? And what about all the fumes from the permanant markers they must use to do their work, since pencils and ballpoint pens aren't allowed?
 
http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-guns.mp3

Damn. Sometimes furries make sense. Listen, laugh.

And what about all the fumes from the permanant markers they must use to do their work, since pencils and ballpoint pens aren't allowed?

Fumes explode. We can't have that now, can we?


I had a teacher in High School quit because they suspended him because he had a plastic, clear squirt gun he kept in his class. It was the size of a tape dispencer. He would squirt students with if if they sfell alseep during class. Not a lot just enough to make them jump up and feel embarassed. It was funny. It was'nt degrading. It kept some of us from sleeping. Well he had been doing this for years. He was suspended for a while because a student (not even in his class) saw the squirt gun one day passing by and was offended.

And people wonder why teachers never last long...
 
Aren't they putting their baseball team at a distinct disadvantage by making them play with whiffle ball bats?

Can't let then have wiffle ball bats, either. I mean, you could fill one with sand or something for weight...


Actually, there was a kid in my wife's high school class (this was in California, so take that into consideration) who was expelled a couple weeks before graduation for violating the school's zero tolerance drugs, alcohol, and weapons policy. Violated all three, actually.

What did this miscreant do?

He switched cars with his mom one day, and just happened to get picked for a random search in the parking lot. In the trunk they found a bottle of advil (drugs), a bag of empty aluminum cans meant to be recycled which just happened to have a couple empty beer cans mixed in (alcohol), and a wiffle ball bat (weapon).

He was expelled, and not allowed to graduate, despite the entire school, including the pricipal, siding with him. The school board said nope, zero tolerance. :cuss:
 
Lindsay Brown is a very gifted young woman not far from me. Shortly after this incident I had the pleasure of meeting her and her family. I was quite impressed. This was a couple years ago, but I think it says it all about zero tolerance.


Why isn't Lindsay Brown happy? She’s getting ready to graduate
from Estero High School in Fort Myers, Fla. What’s more, she’ll be
wearing a gold tassel on her graduation gown, a tassel which
honors her position as a National Merit Scholar. After summer
vacation Lindsay will start at Florida Gulf Coast University, where
she was awarded an academic scholarship.

Well, not really. Yes, she’s a National Merit Scholar. Yes, she has an
academic scholarship. But she won’t be wearing that gold tassel.
She won’t even be wearing the graduation gown. Lindsay, you see,
is our latest victim of the hysterical and intellectually vapid
zero-tolerance crap that permeates our insipid government schools
across the nation.

Last weekend Lindsay Brown moved some of her belongings to her
new apartment. During the move a kitchen knife – not a steak knife,
not a butcher knife – just a simple little kitchen knife fell out of a box
and became wedged under the front passenger seat.

When Lindsay drove that car to school on Monday the knife was
spotted by a security officer. Lindsay was arrested and taken to jail.
Taken to jail because there was a kitchen knife in her car. The local
sheriff’s office considered the presence of this kitchen knife to
constitute probable cause to believe that Lindsay intended to use
this knife as a weapon to hurt someone.

Lindsay Brown spent nine hours in jail. NINE HOURS! Nine hours in
the custody of the state because of a kitchen knife in the car! Now
she won’t get to graduate with her friends. She won’t go to the
senior class breakfast. She won’t get to go to the yearbook party.
Yeah, she’ll get her diploma – and a record - a record for bringing a
"dangerous weapon” onto school property.

This is nothing less than mindless hysteria. The leftist mania over
guns has brought us to the point where common sense is virtually
lacking in the operation of our government schools.

A kitchen knife is a weapon? Consider this. If you had to retrieve a
weapon from your car, which would you chose? A kitchen knife or
the jack handle? How about the tire iron? Every single car in that
parking lot at Estero High School has a tire iron. They have
transmission dip sticks that could be used as swords. They have
spark plug wires that could be used as garrotes. The car itself could
be used to mow down a fellow student.

Mindless, abject stupidity!

Aren’t we supposed to be trying to teach our kids how to think
rationally? Is there anything rational about this zero-tolerance
nonsense?

Lindsay is just one in a long list of victims of these idiotic
zero-tolerance policies.

There was that Eagle Scout in Florida. Remember him? He had a
Scout meeting one night at which he taught young Boy Scouts the
proper handling of a hatchet. The hatchet was in the trunk of his car,
along with the rest of his Scouting gear, when he went to school the
next day. Suspended. Kicked out.

How about that girl in Atlanta who was kicked out of a government
school because she had a Tweetie Bird key chain? The school
principal said the chain could be a weapon.

Then there was that boy who took a knife away from a young girl
who said she was going to use it to kill herself. He locked the knife
in his locker. He got kicked out of school for four months. Two days
later that girl did try to kill herself, but failed. Maybe if she had tried
with that knife the kid took from her she would have succeeded.
Maybe he saved a life! Doesn’t matter, kick him out of school.

This left-wing generated mindless politically correct hysteria over
weapons in our schools MUST STOP!

The first line of defense? Getting your kid out of government school
and into a private school where administrators actually think before
they act.
 
utterly redicules. People make mistake's and pick up the wrong bag. Now if it had been a glock with a few fully loaded mag's that would be one thing. But a bb gun that had no ammo, and to kill some one would probably require you shooting a bb strait through the eye?

Redicules. More then a few time's wearing the same pair of pant's from the day before I accidently brought a knife to school. Told the teacher when I relized it, gave it to the teacher, got it back on the way out.

Anti-gun crap goes to far. Partly I can't always blame them. 50 year's ago if you gave a kid a bb gun the parent's would actually take the time to instruct the kid. Nowaday's a lot of parent's give the kid a bb gun and say go have fun, and go "oh my little johnny wouldn't do that!" when the cop bring's him home with new's a few neighbor's are down a car window or two....and then go buy the kid a new bb gun :rolleyes:
 
According to the story, the student did not deliberately bring this unloaded bb-gun to school. At the time he was unaware that he had it.

He also didn't have any "ammunition" (read that to mean b-b's).

Also he apparently didn't threaten anyone, in any way.

The rule is no guns. Airsoft or not. Simple put, if you break the law via negligence or via intent, it is still breaking the law.
 
granted. but punishment should fit the crime

if some guy get's into an argument with me and it ends up in a fight there is a difference between me breaking his nose and beating him into a bloody pulp to the point he nearly die's.

Punishment's need to fit crime. Discretion shouldn't be taken away however there is a problem.

To often liberal activist judge's refuse to make criminal's pay for their crime's using their own discretion, and we (well...the general public anyway) allow then to keep their job's rather then booting them out. So as a result you need manditory minimum sentencing and the guy with a legitimate reason end's up technicly commiting a crime and doing the same punishment as a true criminal.
 
>> The rule is no guns. Airsoft or not. Simple put, if you break the law via negligence or via intent, it is still breaking the law. <<

There are guns, and then there are GUNS. An Airsoft with no ammunition doesn't represent any serious threat, unless it was displayed as a threat, which it wasn't. The student in question didn't pull it out, point it at anyone, or treaten anybody - and there is no evidence he intended too. He also had no record of negative behavior of any kind.

We are talking about youngsters, not adults; and rules and regulations, not laws. The Airsoft might meet a description of "gun," but not "firearm," and its firearms that the school should be worried about.

If I am driving down a road and am stopped by an officer because I have a brake light out (which has happened) the officer may issue me a ticket (I did break the law) or a warning to get the light fixed (which he did). In such matters it's a case of the officer using his own judgment. Zero tolerance is when an authority figure simply hides behind a rule book to avoid any risk of using good judgement. I would like to think that students in our public schools have a right to work under staff that can use good judgement depending on the circumstances of an individual case - all of which in some ways will be different.
 
I believe in placing blame where it is due.

Zero tolerance is indeed stupid, but it was a rational reaction to the overlitigation of society.

In MI, the zero tolerence "weapons" policies are a product of our legislature and governor (I should say prior governor). They were put in place following Columbine and they mandate that schools have these no-discretion policies. They had little to do with overlitigation and more to do with a knee-jerk reaction.
 
Zero Tolerance has nothing to do with preventing violence. Zero Tolerance is a method used by authority to avoid having to make a judgement and thus avoiding responsibility. "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, that's just the rules." This is the ultimate cop-out - gone into in some depth in the book, "The Death of Common Sense"

I was looking at a Photo Journalism book, by David Duncan. He had a photo of a table filled with small penknives, nail files etc.- the same stuff you can't bring to school or on the airlines. The commentary was about how these things were taken from people before entering a assembly of officials, because the authority's didn't trust them with "weapons".
The place?- USSR. The time?- mid 60's. Welcome to the land of the free.
 
The rule is no guns. Airsoft or not. Simple put, if you break the law via negligence or via intent, it is still breaking the law.

You know, all a simple blowgun is is a rolled up piece of paper.

BAN PAPER! :evil:
 
In my grade school 4th Grade was a big deal because you started BoyScouts and you got to carry your scout knife with you everywhere you went, because you were "prepared"

In eight grade, with parents written permission you were allowed to take your 22 or shottie to school so you could hunt on the way home.

this was in massachusetts. about 1970

Now we just had a kid in a local high school get suspended for driving dads truck to school the day after the weekend duck season. they are calling a empty 12 ga casing a weapon. MAJOR lawsuit will be arising out of this.

Daughter got in trouble for keeping a screw driver and pair of plyers in her hockey bag for fixing stuff, she also had a pair of blunt tip scissors for cutting tape off ankles. she was told these were weapons...nothing said about the carbon fiber hockey stick she carried, in softball she would carry her bat on the bus without anyone saying anyting, but the pliers and screwdriver were offensive
 
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