Daughter's school

[silverlance]

if that teacher is real, he or she is a nutjob.
but then again, ive seen far more than i would have liked - there are MANY nutjob and dumbass teachers out there.

they are the result of lazy and dumbass administrators.

 

[MrPeter]

 

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

Page six ladies and gentlemen!

 

[sonyhoppes]

Yup and oldsoldier gots him some 'splainin to do...

 

[Don Gwinn]

Larry, it's possible, but I don't know of any state where a teacher can suspend a student, either. The principal is usually the one to do that, but the principal in this case supposedly knew nothing about it. We don't really know anything about what happened from the story. There's no timeline. When was the assignment made? When was it turned in? Was that when OldSoldier's daughter was told to do it or be suspended? What happened after that? Was she sent home? When did OldSoldier visit the school--that day, the next? It makes a difference in how much the principal could have known before meeting with the teacher.

NFW!!!!! I'd sue, protest, stalk, Papparazzi that moron teacher until she left AMERICA!!!!

Yes, I'm sure you would. Who needs a job, right? You'd devote your whole life to dealing with some weirdo. Either that, or you're getting a little bit boastful on an internet forum. Stalking her would probably be against the law, by the way.

I think I prefer the OP's plan of meeting with the school board so all sides can be presented and going from there. If students witnessed a teacher doing the things he alleges--and the police department representative confirms that some weird school teacher presented them with a bunch of lists of guns--then the first thing that'll happen is the immediate ejection of that teacher overboard. Teachers are mandated reporters if they suspect abuse or neglect; absolutely everything else is confidential. Even asking those questions is at best inappropriate and unprofessional, and reporting them to someone else seems to me like it would violate some very toothy confidentiality laws.

Anyway, again, right now it all seems more unclear than dishonest, so we might as well just wait to get some real information.

 

[MakAttak]

Anyway, again, right now it all seems more unclear than dishonest, so we might as well just wait to get some real information.

I'm sorry, but I've read this whole thread. Rationality and level-headedness have no place here!...

Or perhaps this actually IS the high road...

 

[bogie]

Gwinch, we -have- had more than a few trolls around. Some of us be paranoid...

I can see a teacher -threatening- something, and then a parent getting it from the child (who we -all- know never embellish stuff), and then things getting blown out of proportion...

Heck, right now, we've got a problem with the twelve year old honor student gurrl - there's a 15 year old boy who is in her class (yup - 15 - and not "dumb" - just a persistent problem...), and he's decided that she should "go out" with him. And the SOB's violent and doesn't comprehend the concept of "go away."

So, we're basically meeting with the nice school folks, to try to get them to get rid of his sorry ass.

 

[Rocketman56]

keep on......

Bogie: I agree paranoia on an a bulletin board (of any type) is a useful trait..

D.Gwinn: I agree we'd like some more information and background before labeling this thread a troll.. The possibility of "elaboration" on the part of the children would lead to
conflicting reports and the reaction of the principal appears to indicate that as well..

OldSoldier: Please let us know what happens, and if possible, the locale and other background niceties..

THANKS!
Steve

 

[Thernlund]

Now that's funny. Not a single one of you know if this story is true or not. Your all assuming it's not.

I didn't.


-T.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Is this the new norm in schools or is this out of the ordinary?

Probably close to the new norm, but rather more blatant and over-the-top than most.

Rather than considering other options for your daughter's schooling, I think I'd be considering which attorney to hire to sue the teacher and the school board. I don't think compiling confiscation lists and turning them over to the police are part of the approved curriculum, and the school board should bear some responsibility for allowing a nut job like that to even walk into a classroom. You have rescued your daughter, but there are other students still being brainwashed by that crackpot.

 

[Phelptwan]

I'd really like to know the school. I know some people at MGO (migunowners) would love to hear this story as well.

 

[kwelz]

So? Anything?

 

[Nickotym]

Is it possible that Oldsoldier used the wrong terminology and the teacher tried to get the kid expelled? (OR to have the principal expel the kid?)

C'mon guys, give him the benefit of the doubt. I personally would like to know what shakes out from this, but if I was OldSoldier, I would be reluctant to share it here after the "welcome" he got on this thread.

 

[Rachen]

Oldsoldier, please come back and discuss this with us.

 

[woad_yurt]

Some of us haven't expressed any opinion at all; we're just wondering about the outcome. I've been following this since you put it out there so let us know something. I'm a teacher and have, maybe, a more than average interest than most. What's up?

PS: I know how teachers can act so please don't assume that I am automatically pro-teacher.

 

[Hokkmike]

there are MANY nutjob and dumbass teachers out there

No, not many. Just our fair share like any other profession.

 

[Flopsy]

If this is true, I would have completed the assignment, my strong sense of irony would have made me.

"Just look under any couch cushion, there's liable to be 4 or 5 firearms under any of them."

 

[boomer1911a1]

Heck, I'll bump this turkey back to the top...

by saying that somewhere in this thread (possible multiple times) someone touted homeschooling as a solution to this sort of nincompoopery.

Allow me to retort.

As a third-generation public school teacher, I believe that free, tax-funded Public Education is one of the cornerstones of American Society. It's fundamental to our way of life.

A better solution to all our institutionalized hoplophobia would be to roll back all this "zero-tolerance" BS. Instead of allowing schools systems to become festering couldrons of "anti" zealotry, pro-2A/RKBA parents need to quietly, respectfully push for education in the subject: safety classes, marksmanship classes, Guns-and-You. Something.

I know, talk is easy. Resistance to this would be huge, especially in parts of the North and California. But something must be done to reverse this ugliness, and parents hold the most leverage.

Don't retreat into homeschooling. Salvage the Institution.

 

[Jiggle]

I'm with you, Flopsy. I think my essay would've read something like

"Well gee, where AREN'T there firearms in my house? And I don't know what kind they are, because all the serial numbers and identification marks have been filed off."

And then I would have been "expelled".

 

[armoredman]

AZ actually allows for firearms safety education in public schools, with mandatory range time to pass. Unfortunately, it's is only "allowed", not where it should be, next to Driver's Ed.

 

[Ed Ames]

Boomer... the problem with salvaging the institution is that, even when it was running well, it had serious problems. Not "we're teaching the wrong values" problems, but "we aren't teaching well."

But let me interrupt myself to say that there are quite a few educators in my family. All of my grandparents were teachers, several of my aunts and uncles are teachers, etc... from grade school on up, from the classroom to the principle's office, my family has been involved in the front lines of public education for a long time.

Public schools are miserable places for children. They stifle creativity, push conformity, and discourage excellence. This isn't entirely the teacher's, or the school's, fault. The students themselves are a major disruption to learning. Poor students are teased and harassed by other students instead of being given extra attention. Excellent students? They too are harassed and pushed to conform by less capable students. The teachers deserve a lot of the blame as well of course. Many teachers find a capable student to be very intimidating. A teacher of average intellect, spreading their attention over 15-30 students, is simply not going to be able to interpret what is going on when presented with a bright and capable kid.

And you know what? A lot more kids start out bright and capable than end up that way.

Public schooling as it exists today is flawed at its core. Home schooling is better because it allows individual students to set their own pace and (usually) puts them in a 1:1 relationship with an interested teacher (the parent). The flaw there is that the parent may not be all that good a teacher. They may not understand the material or may not be able to convey their understanding. On the plus side, those bad teachers are going to impact fewer lives. A bad public school teacher is going to interfere with the development of maybe 1000 kids... a bad homeschool teacher may mess up one or two kids.

The only people who do well in public schools are the middle of the road students... and even they don't do as well as they would in a better setting.

That's even before you consider the social influence issue we gun owners are learning about to our sorrow. Schools are a natural destination for people who want to push a social agenda... including anti-gun agendas. By handing off the education of your children to strangers they basically cease to be your children in some very important ways.



You may have guessed I'm not a fan.

 

[Wineoceros]

Public schools are miserable places for children. They stifle creativity, push conformity, and discourage excellence.

This is just the first of a series of baseless generalizations. Of course there are a lot of public schools (and entire districts for that matter) that fit your descriptions, but your indictments are not even remotely true across the board.

Home schooling is better because...

An even worse generalization. I have no problem with home schooling per se. But the biggest problem I've seen is that those who are most eager to home school tend to be those who are the worst qualified to provide their children with a quality education in more than one or two subjects at best...and often not even that.

On the plus side, those bad teachers are going to impact fewer lives.

That's not really much of a plus, considering that the life you're impacting is the one you care the most about. Your own child's.

 

[WayneConrad]

The solution isn't homeschooling per se--as there are other choices. The solution is the abolition of forced public schooling. Put the money back in the parent's hands and give them the choice of where to send their kid to school.

Then, if you disagree with what and how your kid is being taught, use your money to send them somewhere else--or teach them at home.

 

[Ed Ames]

This is just the first of a series of baseless generalizations. Of course there are a lot of public schools (and entire districts for that matter) that fit your descriptions, but your indictments are not even remotely true across the board.

The premise of my argument was that public schools, because of certain innate attributes (the presence of large numbers of students forming social groups and exerting social pressures on each other, the division of a teacher's time across many students, the lack of innate similarity of ability between unrelated teacher/student pairs because they are not genetically related, etc.), are by their nature handicapped. They are not able to perform as well as the best students deserve, nor are they able to accommodate the needs of the most challenged students.

That is true of the very best public school in existence. The students there are receiving a worse education than they could receive.

That's not really much of a plus, considering that the life you're impacting is the one you care the most about. Your own child's.

I'm not as interested in individual children as I am in the society as a whole. By providing what is on average an inferior education we are reducing our general ability to excel as individuals and as a society. A few people having a significantly worse education while the majority receive a significantly better education is a reasonable trade from a societal perspective. Of course, it would be better to address the problem completely... to provide some sort of standardized education training and assessment for parents.

My generalizations aren't baseless. There is a growing body of research which demonstrates the performance-degrading affects of social groups in children. This is most popularly seen in female children who tend to perform far worse in group (and especially mixed gender group) settings because they are socially pressured to "play dumb".

 

[RangerHAAF]

This story sounds just a little too incredible for me to believe. For one thing, teachers and boards of education are so gun shy about lawsuits and dress code violations that there is no way imho that they are going to stir up a storm like this to make some kind of philosophical point and to then turned coerced private information into the police where there's been no crime committed. Come on.

But for the sake of argument: Who was the teacher and what is the name of the school? If this is real.