Grenade launchers, machine guns, C-4, weapons cache stuns agents

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A 65-year-old Spokane man has been ordered held in custody on federal charges of illegally possessing automatic weapons and illegally storing explosives in a Bellevue commercial storage shed while agents investigate how he came to possess a huge military-grade arsenal that included grenade launchers, machine guns and plastic explosives.

By Mike Carter

Seattle Times staff reporter

A 65-year-old Spokane man has been ordered held in custody on federal charges of illegally possessing automatic weapons and illegally storing explosives in a Bellevue commercial storage shed while agents investigate how he came to possess a huge military-grade arsenal that included grenade launchers, machine guns and plastic explosives.

Ronald Struve, heavyset and bearded, appeared in Seattle before U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Alice Theiler on Tuesday after being extradited from Spokane, where he was arrested Jan. 7 during a raid by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).

In four searches in Bellevue and Spokane, agents seized 37 machine guns, 12 silencers, two grenade launchers, more than 60 high-explosive grenades, several pounds of military-grade C-4 plastic explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Most of this material was stored in commercial sheds near businesses and homes, said Assistant U. S. Attorney Thomas Woods.

At a detention hearing set for Friday, Woods said he will present evidence that Struve possessed "anti-government material."

According to a complaint filed earlier this month, Struve "planned to use the items at some uncertain date in the future."

Two law-enforcement sources familiar with the case, but who spoke on condition of anonymity, used the term "Armageddon" to describe what Struve was apparently awaiting in stockpiling the weapons.

Agents have served four search warrants — three in Spokane and another in Lynnwood.

The Lynnwood shed was empty; however, agents recovered eight machine guns and additional grenade rounds in a search on a storage shed in Spokane.

The search of the Bellevue storage shed did not require a warrant because agents were given permission by a man who purchased the contents at an auction.

ATF Special Agent Heidi Wallace said much of the recovered ordnance was almost certainly stolen from the military because there is no other place to get it.

Woods said the investigation is continuing and that a grand-jury indictment is possible. So far, agents have questioned at least two others — including a man who rented the shed in Bellevue. No other arrests have been made.

Wallace, who was at Struve's court hearing Tuesday, said there was no evidence at this point that Struve was involved in domestic terrorism.

Struve first came to the ATF's attention in November, when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

The bureau sent Wallace to the buyer's garage, where he had stacked the contents from the storage unit. What Wallace found were "many boxes, plastic bins and ammunition containers."

The first box contained what appeared to be several machine guns. Likewise, the second box contained military-type firearms. In the third box, Wallace found "two grenades and other possible explosives."

Other agents were called, and what they found was startling — and worrisome.

"In all my years, I've never seen this sort of firepower in one place," said ATF Special Agent Nick Starcevic, the Seattle office's senior operations officer.

One box contained 54 M406 high-explosive grenade rounds — 40-millimeter shells that can be launched from a shoulder-fired weapon to distances of 300 yards or more, according to military specification.

Its explosion creates a "kill radius" of up to 16 feet from the point of impact and injuries dozens of yards beyond that.

Agents also found several other anti-personnel grenades, including a Korean War-era "Chicom" stick grenade.

In another box, agents found six blocks of C-4 plastic explosives.

Agents counted 32 apparent machine guns, including M-14s, M-16s, and several "Sten guns," a mass-produced submachine gun known for its high rate of fire — upward of 500 rounds per minute.

They also found nine silencers and the parts for several others, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition and various other military hardware.

"All of the military explosive items seized are considered contraband and cannot be possessed by anyone other than the military," Wallace wrote in a search warrant. "The majority of the items seized appeared to be stolen military explosive materials."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008651920_weapons21m0.html
 
What is "Anti-Government Material" ???

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Oh, come on. Isn't anyone going to pipe up and say, "'Arsenal'? You call that an 'arsenal'? Sheesh; what would they say if they saw MY gun room?"?
 
...37 machine guns, 12 silencers, two grenade launchers, more than 60 high-explosive grenades, several pounds of military-grade C-4 plastic explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Every one of these items is legal to own, you have to pay for the stamp but they’re legal. With that said I have no idea if this guy had the stamps, but…
 
"In all my years, I've never seen this sort of firepower in one place," said ATF Special Agent Nick Starcevic, the Seattle office's senior operations officer.

One wonders what is in the ATF's arms room if this guy impressed him that much. That would not even fill a tiny arms room in the Army.
"All of the military explosive items seized are considered contraband and cannot be possessed by anyone other than the military," Wallace wrote in a search warrant. "The majority of the items seized appeared to be stolen military explosive materials."

While I find it amusing that the English language continues to be tortured by confused agents ("can not legally be" maybe he meant to say) I abhor the lying as he well knows that machine guns are perfectly legal with the tax stamp and many grenade launchers don't require one or anything special at all.
thousands of rounds of ammunition

Clearly he was NOT much of a shooter.

Struve first came to the ATF's attention in November, when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

I say Kudos to this man for contacting the ATF. I doubt that many here would do the same. In fact I think quite a lot of people here would keep the stuff and move it to a dark hole somewhere. Even I would be sorely tempted. But honestly it is not worth going to prison over.

The part that I don't understand is why he didn't pay his bill? If had all that stuff he could have sold it and raised the cash easily. I am sure there is more to it but this how criminals get caught all the time by doing something stupid.
 
Anyone wonder why the 65 year old guy who stored that stuff did not pay his rent of that storage space?
 
With all the times I've seen a 500 round brick of .22s referred to as an arsenal it's almost refreshing to see the media finally found one.
 
Did this man ever hurt anyone?

It seems pretty unlikely. I have not heard much about grenade launchers and captured full auto weapons in the Pacific North West. The issue is not who he hurt the issue is if he did indeed possess all those weapons he broke a number of laws.
 
Yeah, I've got a grenade launcher on the end of my M59/66.

Storage units are a risky proposition. It's not like a bank safe deposit box. Rent checks get lost or misapplied, notices to the lessor get missed or disregarded as junk mail or something they've already taken care of, and suddenly all their stuff is gone. It's best to deal personally with the owner, and provide multiple contact persons you can trust in the event an illness, detention, disappearance or death makes it impossible for you to retrieve your possessions.
 
At a detention hearing set for Friday, Woods said he will present evidence that Struve possessed "anti-government material."

Probably something along the lines of EFAD or Boston's books, or maybe the AC.
 
Years ago, rumors persisted in the area of a sort of "NFA Tontine Club." The story was that a group of Francos went away to WWII and somehow either brought back or sent back at least a few NFA weapons each. Members of the Club were sworn to secrecy, and each dying member passed his weapons to the remaining survivors with the understanding that the last member, then probably advanced in age, could sell them illegally and live out his remaining years in comfort. Only it didn't work out that way. According to the story, the second to last member died either on an ice fishing expedition or in an attempt to visit the cache, rumored to exist in a cave in the western mountains, and the last ailing member died shortly thereafter without revealing the cache location. So somewhere around here there is a cave full of NFA weapons, if you believe in the bedtime stories.
 
PVC Pipe

Lern to bury stuff in PVC pipe best if it's in some one elses property.
 
ATF Special Agent Heidi Wallace said much of the recovered ordnance was almost certainly stolen from the military because there is no other place to get it.
I presume the ATF is completely and totally ignorant of *gasp!* the BLACK MARKET?

Geez.

Maybe the guy was just waiting for some kind of ATF "Amnesty" thing, maybe he just forgot/didn't know to register everything, and got screwed.
 
Well, Fort Lewis isn't far from Spokane. Military arms have been stolen before.

But I have a sneaking hunch they will be found to have been diverted or stolen from shipments, not directly from the Army.
 
If I had my druthers, assuming this guy didn't steal everything, that guy would be guilty of nothing but "lacking a quality bolt-action, over-under 12 gauge, etc".

He'd have a good start on a collection though.
 
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Every one of these items is legal to own, you have to pay for the stamp but they’re legal.

Not in Washington State. Machine guns are a no-no even with a stamp.
Sliencers with papers are OK as long as you don't put them on a gun.
 
ATF Special Agent Heidi Wallace said much of the recovered ordnance was almost certainly stolen from the military because there is no other place to get it.
I presume the ATF is completely and totally ignorant of *gasp!* the BLACK MARKET?

M433 HEDP rounds aren't made for anyone BUT the military, and if he had grenade launchers and HEDP grenades, they were military by simple process of elimination.


Still doesn't hurt my feelings. People pay for these with tax money anyway.
 
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