Jessica's Body Found in Florida
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Wildalaska
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Thus spake Nikolai Yezhove to Stalin and the Politburo in 1937
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Some people don't understand the difference between political prisoners and and hard core violent criminals I guess. 
Wildalaska
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The bloodthirstyness I see in these threads amazes me, no wonder the lefties get the moral high ground.
Death penalty...fine....shouting like a savage mob "kill him, kill him, shoot him in the head, hang him, burn him" is as bad as the malum in se found in the hearts of those who the kmob seeks to destroy.
Somepeople have never read history, nor Nietsche I guess
Wildcivilized Alaska
Death penalty...fine....shouting like a savage mob "kill him, kill him, shoot him in the head, hang him, burn him" is as bad as the malum in se found in the hearts of those who the kmob seeks to destroy.
Somepeople have never read history, nor Nietsche I guess
Wildcivilized Alaska
No one's shouting. The problem is that the death penalty is not being meted out when appropriate. Laws are being selectively enforced or not enforced at all.
Break a gun law and they throw the book at you. Rape a kid, and you can be rehabilitated.
Its the lack of enforcement of laws that leads to anarchy.
personal attack deleted -- pax
Yeah, I understand the importance of all that guilty until proven innocent stuff; but when a convicted sex offender gets almost zero time on separate counts and is out walking our streets while admitting to the murder and indicating the body's location, then he should die where he stands.
I can't believe no one has thrown that oxygen thief a length of rope yet.
Yeah, I understand the importance of all that guilty until proven innocent stuff; but when a convicted sex offender gets almost zero time on separate counts and is out walking our streets while admitting to the murder and indicating the body's location, then he should die where he stands.
I can't believe no one has thrown that oxygen thief a length of rope yet.
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Laws are morality. Some cultures have no problem with ritual murder, canibalism, torutue, mutilation, you name it. The entire point of having a legal system is for a culture to mantain order by enforcing its values.
And the 17 year old girl and her 18 year old boyfriend are not commiting a crime in any state of the union. Check out age of consent laws.
At least in this state the small-time sex offenders don't make the list. We only list levels 2 and 3 (i.e. the bad guys).
spacemanspiff
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could it be that noone has been able to successfully attack his arguments, but rather only jabs at his typing skills?
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LSCurrier
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Maybe we should get to putting prisoners to work. Make them work 3 shifts and share cells - 1/3 work where need / 1/3 exercise and eat on prison grounds / 1/3 sleep in cell. Rotate them like this and 3 men now share 1 cell.
I'm pretty tired of hearing that we have to let them out of prison or that perhaps we should stop arresting drug offenders. If anything, I think that our prisons should be made such a horrible place that EVERYONE says to themselves - "I don't want to end up there EVER for any reason!! I'm going to live my life by the law and stay out of that place!!".
I also believe that we should put an end to the ridiculus amount of time people spend on death row. Death row inmates should not die a natural death after 25 years on death row. What does this say for the victims of the crimes? Death row appeals should have a specific time length and a specific process that can be achieved in the time provided. This is the day and age of computers and DNA - there is NO REASON why 20+ years is required for an appeal!!
And before anyone makes statements that some are on death row due to injustice of those that prosecuted them in some way, whether officers have made untrue statements or messed with evidence or whether prosecuters have done the same, then we have to make the penalties for those crimes so severe that it doesn't happen. Make it so that a cop who messes with evidence, to portray guilt where the guy is innocent, that he gets double the crime the innocent person would have gotten for his crime.
Luke
I'm pretty tired of hearing that we have to let them out of prison or that perhaps we should stop arresting drug offenders. If anything, I think that our prisons should be made such a horrible place that EVERYONE says to themselves - "I don't want to end up there EVER for any reason!! I'm going to live my life by the law and stay out of that place!!".
I also believe that we should put an end to the ridiculus amount of time people spend on death row. Death row inmates should not die a natural death after 25 years on death row. What does this say for the victims of the crimes? Death row appeals should have a specific time length and a specific process that can be achieved in the time provided. This is the day and age of computers and DNA - there is NO REASON why 20+ years is required for an appeal!!
And before anyone makes statements that some are on death row due to injustice of those that prosecuted them in some way, whether officers have made untrue statements or messed with evidence or whether prosecuters have done the same, then we have to make the penalties for those crimes so severe that it doesn't happen. Make it so that a cop who messes with evidence, to portray guilt where the guy is innocent, that he gets double the crime the innocent person would have gotten for his crime.
Luke
ravinraven
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The sheriff down there...
...said that this guy was "not a quality person. He's a piece of trash."
Therefore the ACLU will step in and say that since an officer of the law has demeaned this poor unfortunate, he should be set free because his right to a fair trial has been trampled upon.
You can just hear the loons honking in agreement.
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...said that this guy was "not a quality person. He's a piece of trash."
Therefore the ACLU will step in and say that since an officer of the law has demeaned this poor unfortunate, he should be set free because his right to a fair trial has been trampled upon.
You can just hear the loons honking in agreement.
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patentnonsense
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The Bill of Rights stands or falls together.
Every time you attack it, you're offering to give up your own guns.
Within the last 30 years the prison populations have become absurdly high, but violent crimes and property crimes are policed and prosecuted far less effectively than they were before that - what's changed in the last 30 years? Not the Bill of Rights, it hasn't changed in 200+ years.
Moderators, this thread has had a pretty high content of mindless ranting - isn't it about time to close it?
Every time you attack it, you're offering to give up your own guns.
Within the last 30 years the prison populations have become absurdly high, but violent crimes and property crimes are policed and prosecuted far less effectively than they were before that - what's changed in the last 30 years? Not the Bill of Rights, it hasn't changed in 200+ years.
Moderators, this thread has had a pretty high content of mindless ranting - isn't it about time to close it?
Hey, hey, hey... I don't want to get off track here.
While I am certain that no punishment can be enough for this guy, it really isn't the point I want to make.
What we need to realize; what everyone needs to realize is simple: the legal system failed. It will fail again. And again. And again. Society has placed its safety into the hands of a justice system that has a proven track record of gross failures. Not only that, but that justice system is reactive in nature. Prosecution of a crime does not prevent it. A murder has still occured. Everybody must be proactive in their own safety. The government has shown that it cannot keep you safe. If anything, by releasing individuals known to be hazardous to its citizens, the government is aiding in the criminal in their endeavors.
Seriously, threat of punishment probably meant nothing to Couey. He had been caught, caught and prosecuted, released early, violated his parole, crossed state lines, and then ran from the law. Gee, it doesn't seem like the law was too competent. If a guy figures he has a 80-90% chance of getting away with things, that sure isn't much of a threat. So where is the deterent? Gone.
If the guy knew he had a 80-90% chance of catching two or three .357 slugs to center of mass, he may think twice. Or, if he knew there was a good chance that someone was going to give him both barrels of 00 buck, he may get a little squirrely.
The legal system is a joke. We have to be ready for this type of predator. We need to be proactive. The government can't save you, you need to do it yourself. You need to look out for yourself and your own kin. No one else will.
While I am certain that no punishment can be enough for this guy, it really isn't the point I want to make.
What we need to realize; what everyone needs to realize is simple: the legal system failed. It will fail again. And again. And again. Society has placed its safety into the hands of a justice system that has a proven track record of gross failures. Not only that, but that justice system is reactive in nature. Prosecution of a crime does not prevent it. A murder has still occured. Everybody must be proactive in their own safety. The government has shown that it cannot keep you safe. If anything, by releasing individuals known to be hazardous to its citizens, the government is aiding in the criminal in their endeavors.
Seriously, threat of punishment probably meant nothing to Couey. He had been caught, caught and prosecuted, released early, violated his parole, crossed state lines, and then ran from the law. Gee, it doesn't seem like the law was too competent. If a guy figures he has a 80-90% chance of getting away with things, that sure isn't much of a threat. So where is the deterent? Gone.
If the guy knew he had a 80-90% chance of catching two or three .357 slugs to center of mass, he may think twice. Or, if he knew there was a good chance that someone was going to give him both barrels of 00 buck, he may get a little squirrely.
The legal system is a joke. We have to be ready for this type of predator. We need to be proactive. The government can't save you, you need to do it yourself. You need to look out for yourself and your own kin. No one else will.
molonlabe
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Sorry
Some people just need killin.
Nietsche was mentally ill.
Found on a bathroom wall in Greenwich village
God is dead (Nietsche)
Nietsche is dead (God)
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Okay, I temporarily closed the thread to clean up some grafitti. I'm reopening it, but hear this:
There will be NO more personal attacks. No name calling, no insults, no personal slurs.
As the rules say, attack the argument, not the arguer.
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Okay, I temporarily closed the thread to clean up some grafitti. I'm reopening it, but hear this:
There will be NO more personal attacks. No name calling, no insults, no personal slurs.
As the rules say, attack the argument, not the arguer.
pax
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Patentnonsense, I can see your comment that some of the posts are rantings....but not really "mindless". Rather, they are due to a highly emotional state over the continued mindless killings of innocent women and children by CONVICTED rapists and pedophiles that are released back into society by our legal system. Most police cars in this country have the slogan "Protection of the innocent" on the sides. Most police departments do their best. The problem is the laws are so restrictive concerning what the police can do in this endeaver, while at the same time granting thugs and criminals more rights than the public or their victims have.....for instance: Free room and board, free legal counsel, free medical - dental services, free physical fitness facilities, free cable TV, and no restitution for their victims. I'm sure that eventually they will get book deals for a million dollars if their crimes are "spectacular" enough. We do NOT need vigilantes in this country. We do however, need to allow the police and the legal system as a whole to do their jobs of protecting the innocent. Too many people feel too much sympathy for criminals that pray on the public for their victims, then rely on these same sympathetic people for protection from the justice they deserve.
jefnvk
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No, he should finish off whatever his sentence was and whatever his new sentence is. He should be tried for the murder, and be sentenced by a jury. If he is sentenced to death, and does not appeal, then I have no problem with taking him out back and letting the victum's family shoot him.
How about this? How about whoever is responsible for releasing inmates takes partial responsibiliy for what they do when released. Now, I am not saying that we throw them in prison for murder if their inmate kills someone, but they will face penalties if someone that they approved to be let go early dos something. Say, lose their job, or be open to civil suits from the victum's family, or whatever seems appropriate. Just so they have to stop and think very carefully about who is getting out.
And sorry for the 18 yr old/17 yr old thing, I was just going off what was taught to us in school, never looked into it with any seriousness.
This would be a good punishment for the scumbag:
PAKDASHT, Iran, March 16, 2005
IRAN HANGS SERIAL KILLER
An Iranian serial killer - dubbed the "vampire of the desert" - has been publicly flogged and hanged.
Thousands of people turned out in Pakdasht, south of Tehran, to watch Mohammed Bijeh die.
The 22-year-old had been convicted of kidnapping and murdering 21 people, most of them little boys.
He was lashed 100 times, stabbed by the brother of one victim before a blue nylon rope was placed around his neck by the mother of another murdered child.
Bijeh was then hoisted into the air by a crane and slowly throttled to death.
Hanging by a crane - a common form of execution in Iran - does not involve a swift death as the neck is not broken.
Bijeh and his accomplice, Ali Baghi, were arrested in September 2004.
Over a period of more than a year, they reportedly lured children into the desert before assaulting and killing them.
The pair reportedly stunned their victims with blows from a stone, sexually abused them and buried the bodies in shallow graves in the desert south of Tehran.
Both were initially sentenced to hang, but in January the Supreme Court ruled that Baghi should instead serve 15 years behind bars. Go to report
PAKDASHT, Iran, March 16, 2005
IRAN HANGS SERIAL KILLER
An Iranian serial killer - dubbed the "vampire of the desert" - has been publicly flogged and hanged.
Thousands of people turned out in Pakdasht, south of Tehran, to watch Mohammed Bijeh die.
The 22-year-old had been convicted of kidnapping and murdering 21 people, most of them little boys.
He was lashed 100 times, stabbed by the brother of one victim before a blue nylon rope was placed around his neck by the mother of another murdered child.
Bijeh was then hoisted into the air by a crane and slowly throttled to death.
Hanging by a crane - a common form of execution in Iran - does not involve a swift death as the neck is not broken.
Bijeh and his accomplice, Ali Baghi, were arrested in September 2004.
Over a period of more than a year, they reportedly lured children into the desert before assaulting and killing them.
The pair reportedly stunned their victims with blows from a stone, sexually abused them and buried the bodies in shallow graves in the desert south of Tehran.
Both were initially sentenced to hang, but in January the Supreme Court ruled that Baghi should instead serve 15 years behind bars. Go to report
I think the sheriff was about right, he is just a piece of trash.
Im sorry folks if what I write here rankels you, but takeing people out and hanging them is a damm poor way of controling prison population. And that is about all it could ever do.
Putting a mans name on a sexual offenders list is fine, but he has to hurt or rape someone first. so that is only a partial stopgap.
If you can think of a cure, or a prevention that will work that is legal and sure, for gods sake lets here it. I will be the greatest thing ever written on this or any other forum.
As for the poor sick SOB that killed that poor little kid, remember, he is just a piece of trash. But why?
Im sorry folks if what I write here rankels you, but takeing people out and hanging them is a damm poor way of controling prison population. And that is about all it could ever do.
Putting a mans name on a sexual offenders list is fine, but he has to hurt or rape someone first. so that is only a partial stopgap.
If you can think of a cure, or a prevention that will work that is legal and sure, for gods sake lets here it. I will be the greatest thing ever written on this or any other forum.
As for the poor sick SOB that killed that poor little kid, remember, he is just a piece of trash. But why?
I can hear the Bleeding Hearts Club of America now....."oh that poor, poor man....imagine the pain he must have felt....how can they do that to someone!!!" Again....no regard for the pain and suffering these criminals perpetrate on their victims.....It's the victims that deserve ALL the sympathy folks.....Strange isn't it. You never hear the ACLU and others that protect criminals showing sympathy to the the victims.
EghtySx
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I have trouble understanding our due process. If a guy confesses to murder, how much process is he due? The guy said he did it. Why then do we have to spend millions on a trial? Just so the lawers and others involved can make money?
Wildalaska
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There is is, darn constituion gettin in the way of Iranian style justice.
Theres a model of civilazation for the world to look up to!
Hogwash....you got stats to back that up???
Another fallacy...criminals, especially sex offenders, dont care about punishment, no matter how draconian, unless it is consistently and universally employed. We as a free scoiety are not gonna do that. The question of repeaters is also not subject to individal prediction although it is statistically demonstrable. Complex issues are not subject to simple slogan/cliche improvements.
WildwhatdidimissAlaska
"criminal, expecially sex offenders, don't care about punishment, no matter how draconian, unless it is consistently and universally applied."
Care to back that up? Or does your statement hold as much credibility as the post that inspired it.........
"We as a free society are not gonna do that."
So, you've decided for us all, or is there supporting evidence???
"Complex issues are not subject to simple slogan/cliche improvements."
Again, thank you for your authoritative and defining ruling; don't know how this country managed 'til you arrived......so many American proverbs now discredited.
(just don't know how to use quotes feature (?))
Care to back that up? Or does your statement hold as much credibility as the post that inspired it.........
"We as a free society are not gonna do that."
So, you've decided for us all, or is there supporting evidence???
"Complex issues are not subject to simple slogan/cliche improvements."
Again, thank you for your authoritative and defining ruling; don't know how this country managed 'til you arrived......so many American proverbs now discredited.
(just don't know how to use quotes feature (?))
EghtySx
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I thought we had due process to make sure we weren't punishing the wrong guy. This guy confessed. Now we have to PROVE he is guilty? I thought he proved that himself already by telling them where to find the body.
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