Our brothers over at DU...

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The people at DU spew the type of crap that the democrtaic party actually represents, but don't want you to know about. Voters are gradually catching on to this as seen by the waves of losses in pretty much every election in the last 10 years. :)
 
frankly, i never see that kind of degrading of other people on gun websights...ok, maybe on glock talk, but not here is my analysis of Democrats versus republicans when it comes to being whiny, arrogant, bullheaded ********.

Note: this post contains humor. if you lack a sence of it, do not read.

Personally, i consider myself a libertarian

I have no problems with Democrats that support my rights and the rights of others, but they are few and far between. Same goes for republicans. My best friend is fairly left wing (often spouting marxist views), but libertarian in the issues where it counts. He is more pro gun than the vast majority of rupublicans. The large majority of my friends are left of center, however none of them are anti-gun (some may have started that way, but i fixed them).

Anyway, a good story about partisans, maturity and gun control. On election day i voted for Michael Badnarik, and in positions there wasn't a libertarian, i voted for an equal number of Democrats and republicans. I had a long time to think about who i would vote for because i was serving as a PA state deputy constable (a volunteer position, though the county constable was so impressed by my work i might be able to weasel a job out of it) and was tasked with guarding the polling place from 7am until the vote was counted. My main tasks were enforcing rules such as those pertaining to keeping partisan postings, and pundits out of the polling place as well as people with cameras. Sidenote: Guns are ok though. I was asked by the judge because someone used a CWP as his second form of ID. Fortunately i'm very knoledgable on PA gun laws (the judge was not) so this responsible gun owner went unmolested.

Of course there was some friction as PA law forbids the wearing of campaign buttons or stickers inside a polling place. Seriously, you can't do it just like you can't hang a banner that says VOTE BUSH. The ruling from the state elections comittee was that no partisan political messages can be posted inside a polling place, whether on the wall or on a person, whether 40 feet wide or 4 inches around. Don't care if no one stopped you at your polling place, that constable wasn't doing his job, but, dammit, i was doing mine.

On average, more Democrats gave me trouble than republicans, who, for the most part, complied politely without a fight. A good amount of Democrats didn't put up a fight but gave me lip and started with speaches about how they were being oppressed. That's before i politely told them that a reasonable person would see the need to remove campaign material from a place where people are supposed to vote free of intimidation, even if that was not their intent, and that, frankly, they could save save their speach for someone that give a rats ass. Probably someone on DU that will claim i'm part of a vast right wing conspiracy, despite the fact that i enforced the ruling completely free of bias. How could i be biased? I hated the major party candidates and no one came in with a badnarik sticker (which i would have asked them to remove anyway). One democratic woman sent a lawyer to yell at me, who, despite the fact that i'm a NURSING STUDENT, i schooled hardcore on election law. I showed him the law, he told me that i was interpreting it wrong, so i got the state election board on the phone and they told him that his ass just got schooled by a 20 year old nursing student, and that he sould probably repeat his 100 level criminal justice course (ok, not those exact words.)

The worst trouble, although far less frequent, came from republicans. The first occured when moveon.org set up a table the leagal distance outside the polling place. This woman calls the RNC comes up to me and starts to complain then puts me on the phone with the RNC. The RNC person, who happens to know the law, listens to me for a minute then asks to speak to the woman. Her smile turns to a frown, then i tell her to hit the breeze. problem solved. The second was a towering man wearing a Bush hat. I got as far as "Sir, could you please remove...." before he pushed by me. I followed him continuing my sentence. He got right up in my face and barked that he heared on talk radio that he didn't have to. Ah, talk radio, the bastion of truth. I informed him of the earlier situation with the democratic lady's lawyer and even had the republican representative tell him. Meanwhile, holding on to his "voter approved" card (little slip of paper the clerk gives you after you sign in, to hand to the machine operator before you can cast your ballot) until he complied. He through the hat on the table and yelled "this is bull****" I handed him his voter approved card and wished him a pleasant evening. Sorry, i enforced the rules for everyone else, i just can't let this guy slide because he's stubborn. Before anyone gives me crap about it just being a hat, think about a cop fining someone for 5mph over. Will he just let you go if you give him crap about it just being 5 over or will he then cite you for that, then cite you for 16 other things he was just going to ignore if you were pleasant?

What can we learn from this? Democrats are probably more arrogant, immature and bullheaded on average, but republicans can be the worst. I have found this true. More polite right wingers, but the impolite ones are really, really bad. For instance, people who shoot abortion doctors. Really impolite right-wingers. Timothy McVeigh, really impolite right-winger. Conversely, the rioters at the RNC. A lot more of them, but at least no one got killed. I think the Democrats were just trying way to hard to proove that they were somehow being oppressed by the vast right wing conspiracy. They'll probably go home and post on DU that some giant guy, who was probably some gun-owning, right-wing-nutcase, hired by the state: grabbed me at the polls, ripped off my kerry sticker, kicked my dog, and spit on me.

I'll further prove my point

The night went on and i chatted it up with some of the republicans. They were well dressed, well mannered. On points where they disagreed with my libertarian philosophy, they were gentlemanly and gave my point just consideration before disagreeing with well thought out arguments. Fortunately, the really impolite right-wingers were not among this group, so, to make sure my hypothesis still held true, i posted on of the statements they disagreed with on glocktalk and was promptly trounced, called a traitor and had it suggested that i be given a death warranting one.

I later began chatting with a group of Democrats. It consisted of some well dressed and well mannered people. On points where they disagreed with my libertarian philosophy, they were polite and gave my point just consideration before disagreeing with well thought out arguments. The rest of them were shrieking women and this kid with a torn DU hoodie covered with anti bush/anti war buttons, most of which lacked any deeper thought than "F*** BUSH!" and "Lets not elect him again." They were polite enough until they disagreed with me at which point i saw fire in their eyes but they restrained themselves. I purposely held gun control until the end when i said, "so...who else is celebrating the expiration of the assault weapons ban...like, seriously, i just bought a dozen high cap magazines and started building an ar-15. Booyah! flash supressor!" i raised my hand hoping for a high-five...which i did not recieve. I was instead accused of killing children and being the cause of all that is evil, and that was just the begining. Although there are plenty of rational Democrats, even some pro gun ones, nothing sets off the irrational ones moreso than gun control. I shrunk back to the republican side as they threw rotting vegetables at me (slight exaggeration).

"My god man! what did you say!" exclaimed one of the republicans.
"I just wondered if any of them were celebrating the death of the assault wea...."
"Hell yeah! i bought like, a dozen high caps and a collapsable stock for my AR-15! Booyah!" we high fived...i was among the sane again.

I finished off the night going to the Democrats after party. Cheers and applause rang out evey time a state turned blue, sighs as others turned red. I watched the smiles turn to frowns, to bitter sobbing as the night went on. I laughed my ass off as i sipped on my Sam Addams Octoberfest (Which was damn good beer)....uh, did i say i was 20 earlier....i meant 21. It was hilarious knowing that these people were just now realizing that all hope was gone and that america was falling all to hell. As a libertarian, i had figured out ages ago that this was inevitable no matter who won, so i could be content sipping my beer and eating my free food on the democratic party's dime. No the Democrats do not encourage underage drinking, i encourage responsible drinking regardless of puritan drinking laws. After all, i am a libertarian. Personal responsibility ring a bell? Anyway, it was nice to show the Democrats all about the welfare state through example. I, as a libertarian, did nothing to deserve free food at the DNC's after party. But, despite this, i still got a free meal and it was out of their pocketbooks. Thanks for the handouts!
 
Great read. I was enjoying them attack each other like a pack of wild dogs. They seem to do that when someone doesn’t toe the party line. Fascism in action. :D
 
As is my habit every time one of these "DU is teh suXX0rs" threads starts, I must ask "Why do you bother to go there? After you go there, why do you feel the need to come here and complain about them?"
 
Yeah, I thought it was interesting, watching them basically self-destruct when one of the "high post count" members actually came out in favor of RKBA.

The place is definitely filled with hate and anger.

It's a good take on the hard-left in this nation though...you know, the ones pushing tolerance and all.
 
People in "flyover USA" aren't interested in what people in DC think they "need". - posted on DU.

I'd thank them, but I was banned a looong time ago. I think the person I complimented was banned too. ;)

John
 
It makes me wonder if I shouldn't start an account over there and play Democrat (essentially keeping quiet about 60% of my libertarianism and expounding enthusiastically about the other 40% of it) until I get some respect (or at least a high post count) and then unveil my RKBA stance. :evil:

From what everyone has said, though, the signal-to-flame ratio is too low for me to tolerate it long enough to matter.
 
Its interesting that in their "rules" they specifically say that if you are not a Liberal Dem, then you're not welcome.

I looked at that site for all of a couple of hours and the hand wringing and whining just got to be too much.
 
Great read. I was enjoying them attack each other like a pack of wild dogs. They seem to do that when someone doesn’t toe the party line. Fascism in action.
Yeah, and we never do that here. :uhoh:

CoroAllergicToHyperboleNach
 
The only good thing I get from reading DU...

... is the motivation to dig a little deeper into my pockets and buy more ammo.
 
Yes, freerepublic bans people who disagree with them at the drop of a hat. I can assure you of that, having been banned from there more times than I can count. :) Ever notice those "removed" posts? Nearly every one of those is someone getting banned.

This was before I ever heard of DU, though, or I'd probably have been banned from there, too.
 
As a DU member and frequent poster over there, I've found that most of the people over there are nuts, completely and totally nuts. I jumped into that gun thread and tried to stand up for the RKBA, and actually didn't get shouted down that bad.

I like to think of myself as a Jeffersonian Democrat, which I guess, in the current political climate makes me a "liberal". I can live with the label, I've been called much worse.

There are a lot more "liberals" that believe in the RKBA than many realise, its just that we tend to keep our mouths shut. Its not going to be that way anymore, I think this latest thread is the 8th or 9th in the last couple weeks. Those of us over there that 'get it' are going to keep pushing this because it's the right thing to do.

We're going to keep fighting for the Bill of Rights, every single one of them.
 
Yes, freerepublic bans people who disagree with them at the drop of a hat. I can assure you of that, having been banned from there more times than I can count. :) Ever notice those "removed" posts? Nearly every one of those is someone getting banned.

i've never been to freerepublic so i dont know, thanks for the answer.

this was my first glance at DU.

i knew there was a reason to avoid such boards. now i know why.

yeah they're privately owned but that doesnt make it right, i keep saying but some just dont get it. this world would suck if we were all alike, but rather than accepting this and using it ones advantage, they decide to segregate themselves and have chosen to "be with their own kind". for a group of people who call others racist, they have some nerve since their mindset on banning those of a differing view is what racism and bigotry is based on. in fact it IS bigotry. such a sad state of affairs when all you know to do with a person of a differeing view is to bash them or ban them. obviously these people have mental problems.
 
I have not fully subscribed to the label of right wing, preferring to consider myself an independent. That being said, I stopped reading DU shortly after posting a response there to something I just could not let slide and was subsequently banned.

Like the mod said, the DU is not a place that you can do much debate, and when you consider that many of the posters seem so far afield from the norm
and that their comments can often incense, I find it better to spend what little free time I have these days in other ways and at other places.

cheers, js
 
DU members certainly aren't my brothers, and a large portion of them dying off probably wouldn't be a terribly bad thing. I have little sympathy for America-hating liberal elitists that mock the things I and America stand for.

I'm always livid after reading threads on that site.....
 
I've never seen it get that uncivilized here. Or people get foul or offensive if you're outside some established bell curve.
Well, ok, true. We tend to not allow threads to degenerate into that, and, in truth, we have less that get that way in the first place. I was speaking more to the tendency to pile on people who are not quite pure enough in their RKBA thought as others. Look up any lengthy thread about CC permits. Somewhere along the line, someone will take the POV that CC permits are good. Someone else will take the POV that they're bad. And often enough the discussion will turn to the purity of someone's RKBA support. You know, revolutionaries vs. counter-revolutionaries.

Not always, and very rarely as hysterically fun to watch as DU, but it does happen.

Mike
 
I just read their rules (the long version).

I was laughing my ass off. They don't follow their own rules except the one about banning republicans.
 
HAHA my buddies and I have warred with the freepers ever since they tried skewing one of my friends polls that he was using to *GASP* get a somewhat accurate count of people's opinions from a certain demographic. (SHOCK! HORROR!)

They're not too IRC smart, them freepers.
 
Maybe this is a bit of thread drift, if so, I apologize.....but did anybody think to ask the folks at DU about what happened to Kerry's dead goose? Did he take it home and eat it? Doubtful. So what he did was simply wanton killing for a photo op. A fine example for a liberal "leader" to set.

Yeah, OK, maybe his handlers made sure that somebody that wanted it took the goose, but more likely it actually ended up in a dumpster.

Almost all "Responsible" sportsmen/hunters only kill game for a purpose. I know some folks hunt for trophies, which I personally disagree with, but I won't tell them that they are "wrong" for doing it. Conservation/population control are valid reasons for hunting, after all. The person who kills game just to "show off" is not someone I'd ever vote for. Indicates a lack of values IMHO. Keeping a trophy of a successful hunt isn't the same thing as simply posing for a political photo-op. I've never known anyone who would go to the trouble and expense of a taxidermist who wouldn't also have the meat processed.

I've hunted for many years, but have lost interest in killing animals as I grow older. I still strongly support the rights of others to hunt if they choose to.
 
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