Please Teach Me About Proper Pistol Break In

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RadishFarmer

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Good morning,

My friends call me Holden and I am a simple farmer from Texas. I've been lurking on the forums for a long time and wanted to ask a few questions with the intent of learning.

I got my pistol permit about a year ago and since then, I have started a small collection. My colleagues indicated that modern pistols and rifles are different from old rifles from the early part of the 20th in that there is little to no need for a break in period or for meticulous cleaning at all; a cleaning every thousand or so rounds and that should suffice. I am up north visiting relatives in New York and was talking with a niece's boyfriend who recently purchased a Les Baer Thunder Ranch. I saw that he was applying Rem Oil to it when I stated what I have been told; he was rather baffled. I suppose it's better to be safe than sorry and to learn from my mistakes.

I've had some of my pistols for a year now and haven't really bothered with a break in or cleaning. What major, irreversable damage have I done? My pistols are as follows in order of oldest to newest:

CZ75 SP01 - bought new (about 500 rounds)
S&W 340PD - new (about 150)
Glock 21 SF (Gen 3) - bought used (~200)
Glock 30 (Gen 2.5) - used (~100)
HK USP .45 Full - used (~150)
Walther PPK/S (Interarms) - used (~100)
Glock 27 (Gen 4) - new (~125)
Chiappa Rhino - new (~50)

Also of concern are my 870 and [piston] AR. The 870 has had maybe 300 various shells through it and the AR has about 125 M193 under its belt. Both were new.

I was hoping I could be steered in the direction of some extensive threads or websites that let me know the effects of not cleaning or lubricating during break in as well as long periods without cleaning. I'm hoping that I haven't done any permanent, severe damage to my firearms. At the very least, now I know and it's better to know now than one, two or three years down the road.

Thanks in advance for your time.
 
I was hoping I could be steered in the direction of some extensive threads or websites that let me know the effects of not cleaning or lubricating during break in as well as long periods without cleaning
Enter "barrel break-in" in the search function above and you will be overwhelmed.
 
Hi and welcome!

First off, rest easy. You have done absolutely no conceivable harm to any of your guns.

Your niece's boyfriend sounds like a lot of new gun owners (and some of the more obsessive of us here) for whom cleaning the gun is just part of the ritual of shooting -- something that needs to be done or the ritual is not complete. And/or one of those who spent a lot of money on that one gun and believe it needs or deserves the greatest possible level of care.

The appropriate break-in for any service-style handgun, like every one on your list (yeah, even the Rhino, too, probably) is to give it a field-strip and wipe down, put a drop of oil wherever the manufacturer says in the owner's manual, and then go shoot the heck out of it.

Now that SP01 may be getting due for a cleaning. 500-750 rds. is what I usually put through my competition guns between cleanings as the accumulated soot and firing residue can start to make cycling sluggish and even cause malfunctions if you go much beyond that.

Now, when I'm going to fire a gun and store it away for a while, I'll often wipe it down to get my hand oils off of it and try to remove any moisture, but that's about it.

Enjoy your guns and don't give "permanent damage" another thought!
 
The only thing to be careful of is not letting the takedown lever ball put a semicircular scratch in the slide. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-289931.html

If it happens to happen, oh well, it is your first mark.

Other than that cosmetic damage, you have done no damage to your guns at all. Anytime I have purchased a new gun, the first thing I did was make sure there is no obstruction in the barrel, then I loaded them up and shot them. Some, just a few rounds, others several hundred rounds, all when the rifle or pistol was brand new and all before I did any cleaning!
 
I was just thinking.

When we buy a brand new motor vehicle, do we change the oil and do we change all fluids (transmission, rear differential, radiator, etc)?
Of course we don't, the same can hold true for a new gun.

The only thing I would be concerned with is a gun that has been stored with so much grease packed into it that the barrel is nearly full of grease or cosmoline!

For a gun like that, I would break it down into all component parts and carefully clean all that gunk off everything before shooting, so that would be my ONLY EXCEPTION!
Even then, I have shot an SKS full of that stuff and the first several shots grease was literally flying everywhere, including in my face and on others with me!
 
Right. A military surplus gun that was mothballed for decades-long storage should absolutely be stripped down to component parts, cleaned thoroughly, and then properly oiled before firing. I've seen Mauser bolts so full of stiff old grease that the firing pin wouldn't drop fully, and Mosins and SKSs that looked only vaguely gun-like until cleaned out.

Also to consider is that high-precision rifle barrel manufacturers may (or may not) have a specific break-in procedure they think you aught to follow for the first 100 rds. or whatever. The verdict is still out (and probably will always remain so) on whether that makes any difference at all, but either way it is irrelevant to a modern service sidearm.

Also, a used firearm probably should be disassembled to check for broken/worn parts, overall internal condition, and proper lubrication before being fired. You just never know what the last owner(s) did or didn't do.

But a new Glock or CZ? Naaah. A little oil and then go shoot. Then clean it when it's actually dirty.
 
:) Good Morning, Holden!

That's funny, you don't write like a simple farmer from Texas. If you hadn't said so, I'd suspect you of being a school teacher from New Jersey. :D

First, I teach this and other gun-related topics as an avocation. Seems to me that, something like, 3 out of every 4 troubled shooters I walk up behind on the line are having some sort of problem with either a dirty or poorly maintained firearm. (Which is why I usually carry all the equipment in my gun bag that nobody else ever seems to have.)

Now do I think you have done any irreversible damage to your guns? The truth is that neither I nor anyone else on this board is able to ascertain that. There are simply too many variables. Powder fouling and primer residue are, by nature, corrosive. (That's why gun shop owners and gunsmiths always shine a light into the bore before they tell you how much your used gun is worth.) A part of the corrosive effect from powder residue has the ability to attract moisture and facilitate rust. So the real question is, 'How likely is this to happen to your guns?'

I'm not able to answer that question because I don't know how you store your guns? Many of my own seldom used guns are all: cleaned, waxed, and stored inside a temperature and humidity controlled gun safe. The pistols that I carry everyday have the bores waxed and coated with Sentry Solutions, 'Smooth-Kote' - every time one of them gets used. If the gun just sits in my holster, then, once a week I'll wipe down the exterior and magazines with either, Ballistol, 'Sportsman's Oil' or my own blend of WalMart Pharmacy mineral oil.

On my revolver cylinders I use cotton patches and, either, Iosso bore paste or Flitz metal polish in order to clean the, 'powder burn' off the cylinder face. I use an old toothbrush to scrub out the area around the forcing cone before rubbing everything up with Flitz. (Which contains Carnauba wax and leaves a protective coating on any metal surface it touches and, also, has the redeeming virtue of not dripping or running while you're working with it.)

I tear down my frequently used semiautomatic frames, about, once a year and the slide internals every 800 to 1,500 rounds. All of my guns run like a, 'Swiss Rolex'; if the ammo is quality made, (Some of my practice ammo isn't.) when I touch a trigger the gun is definitely going to go bang! If you'd like my personal opinion, I don't believe anything serious has happened to your poorly maintained guns, yet. At the same time I wouldn't be carrying any of them to defend myself with either.

The Gen3 G-21 I carry everyday is presently clean enough to fool someone into believing I've never fired it. Other than the worn (silver) metal on the muzzle and the light holster scratches on the slide flats, you wouldn't believe it's had more than 18,000 rounds through it. It, still, feels and fires like a brand new Glock. (Actually better than a brand new Glock!)

The 3O-06 Sako Finnbear rifle I owned and occasionally hunted the back country with was recently purchased from me by a gun dealer who paid 4 times more than I had originally paid for it, and after I'd owned and used it for more than 25 years! Last time I saw it in his shop, there was a ticket on it that read, 'Almost new!' (Maybe, I don't know? I guess I only put about 600 rounds through it.)

Here, I wrote this awhile ago. (Don't remember who for; but, this will tell you all you need to know about cleaning a pistol from someone who's been doing it for more than a half century.) In all this time if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s how to get the job done: quickly, easily, and right. I’d make the following suggestions to you: First, you don’t need to stink the house up with Hoppes #9. Instead, get yourself any (or all) of the following cleaners:

(1) Kleen Bore, ‘Lead Away’ Gun Cleaning Cloth (Not for use on the OUTSIDE of a blued gun!)

OR -

(2) Iosso Bore Cleaning Paste. (Works the same as a, 'Lead Away' cloth; but, comes in paste form.)

(3) Ballistol Gun Cleaning Oil. You can use WalMart Pharmacy mineral oil, too; but it won't do as good a job of cleaning the bore. (Glock polymer frames love this stuff!)

(4) A Hoppe's Tynex Brush in the appropriate caliber(s) for what you're cleaning - Heavy crud requires the use of a bronze metal brush head.

(5) A large bag of Kleen-Bore Cotton Patches in the appropriate size for your pistol(s). I use 45 ACP patches for everything; and cut them to fit smaller calibers as needed.

Use the following procedure to clean a pistol in about 15-20 minutes:

1. For everything except centerfire rifles and 22 LR pistols, lose the slotted cleaning tips and jags - They're worthless. Install the Tynex brush on the end of a cleaning rod. Wrap a cotton patch soaked in any good gun oil or commercial CLP over the brush. Run this cotton-wrapped brush head through the barrel and chamber(s) several times over. Follow with one or two dry patches.

Whenever you clean a chamber or bore, do NOT switch direction in mid-stroke. The pass is always made all the way through, and then all the way back - OK.

2. Wrap a clean patch with a dab of bore cleaner paste or polish - or a cut-to-fit piece of, ‘Lead Away’ cloth - around the brush head and scrub out the barrel and cylinders. Remember: Don't, 'short-stroke' either the chamber(s) or the bore. Make sure to go ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BARREL before reversing direction and coming back again.

Don’t worry if the patch turns black – IT WILL STILL CLEAN! Usually it takes me three or four soaked patches in order to scrub out a bore. If the crud is unusually heavy, instead of using a cotton patch wrapped around the brush, I'll apply the bore cleaner directly to a BRONZE brush head and use the bristles as the scrubbing surface. (When I'm finished I'll wash the brush head in dishwashing liquid by rolling it between my hands while holding them under running water.)

3. Follow with a couple of clean patches soaked in oil. When they stop coming out black, you’re through.

4. If you want to see how well you've done: Run a couple of dry patches through the barrel and check for varying shades of, 'gray' on the white cotton. (Doesn't have to be perfectly white - OK!)

5. Finally, wrap a clean patch soaked in gun oil around the brush; and push it through the barrel and chamber(s). This is your final oiling!

6. As an alternative to #5 above you can, also, coat the barrel (and each chamber) with Sentry Solutions, Smooth-Kote. Just be sure to apply Smooth-Kote over an undercoating of wax because the molybdenum it contains is slightly hygroscopic. (After several treatments with Smooth-Kote your gun barrels will become ridiculously easy to keep clean. Powder residue will just seem to fall out of the bore; AND you'll never need to use moly-coated bullets, either!)

You should always wear Nitrile or Latex gloves when you clean any gun. If you use, ‘Smooth-Kote’ you’ll definitely have to wear gloves and work over a garbage container. I use an eye dropper to slowly drip Smooth-Kote into the gun. You don’t want to get this stuff on your skin or in the household environment. It’s great to use INSIDE a gun, but nowhere else!

(Yes, it’s worth the trouble: The bore and chamber(s) will be waterproof for many months and firing residue will easily brush out of the gun the next time you clean it.)

Any large drug store, or Ace Hardware will sell gloves. I get mine in 250 count boxes from my dentist; they're sold under the name of Microflex, 'Diamond Grip'. (They’re made of powder-free high quality latex.) These gloves are also available on the internet, too. That should do it for ya! Everything I’ve learned from 50 some odd years of cleaning guns. The only other precaution I'd offer you is that a clean gun is a more reliable gun. If you should ever have to point your muzzle at something evil that means you harm, you'll instantly realize what I mean.

After more than 50 years on various firing lines, I'm able to state with confidence that it's seldom a clean gun a shooter ever has a problem with. Instead it's the guys with the filthy guns who usually need help. ;)



PS: I'm going to add one more thing for you. Every polymer frame pistol should be, 'verified' with, at least, 500 rounds before it's carried for self-defense. OK!
 
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That's funny, you don't write like a simple farmer from Texas. If you hadn't said so, I'd suspect you of being a school teacher from New Jersey.

There's no need to be insulting...


With me it's seasonal. In the winter-time I like to take a new gun apart, "tsk tsk" at all the dirt and rough machining, clean, and lube before firing. In the summer, when it's nice out, I do sometimes stop off between the garage and the house and launch a few rounds through a new gun before bringing it inside. (Technically this could also be convenient if the wife were to ask "is that a new gun", but really it's just my need for instant gratification.)

I also don't clean as often as I should. I've found rust on two guns over the past 15 years. The first was a new gun that I brought home and did not fire, or clean/lube for several months. It wasn't rusty in the store, but did rust in my basement safe (w/ goldenrod, but not a dry basement). The second is a cheap single shot that I rusted several years ago in an area where the bluing was thin and the users thumb rests. I removed the rust (very fine steel wool) and if I keep it oiled it doesn't re-rust, but if I forget for a year or so it rusts again.
 
After a "certain" age and the habit of cleaning beat into your brain you automatically strip, clean and lube all before firing the first round. I know I don't need to clean some as often but after use it is automatic for me and I probably won't change.
 
I seriously doubt you hurt anything too bad if at all. Learn how to take down your firearms, put a drop of oil where things slide or rotate and push a few patches down the barrel saturated with hoppes #9. Wipe off any crap that accumulates with an oily patch and you are good to go.

A relatively small amount of care will keep your firearms working fine and looking good for lifetimes.

Most of us would consider your collection of arms as barely shot.

Clutch
 
It depends on where you live. Humidity will cause a more intensive cleaning/oiling program. You might be surprized how much neglect you can do without harm to the piece. I usually spray mine down with a quality gun oil before lengthy storage, but that's just me. My carry piece is attended to as needed, but clean guns are always good guns. Your guns would fall into the barely used catagory.
 
Just my preference... when I acquire a gun, new or used, I basically learn to field strip it (cause I like to know how to do it...) then I clean it if used, lube it up new or used, and we go to the range. That's about it. I am far more likely to lube a gun than to clean one.
 
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