HeavenlySword
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Hey, taliv, I checked their site. They do not appear to sell ACOGs, or Trijicon products
4Freedom, I own a bunch of Leupold Mark 4 scopes including one FFP in 3.5-10X. I have 1.5-5X scopes with the SPR reticle, 3.5-10X scopes with the TMR reticle, one illuminated, one not, a 6.5-20X with an illuminated TMR reticle and an 8.5-25X also with an illuminated TMR reticle. Are Leupolds the best scopes available ... no, but If you buy a Leupold Mark 4 you will like it and you'll probably find little to complain about for many years to come. If you can afford it, definitely look at Nightforce as well. As for magnification, I would recommend the 8.5-25X and the FFP version called the Mark 4 8.5-25x50mm ER/T M1 Front Focal. Bear in mind that you won't find an illuminated reticle version in this model but that may not be a problem or issue for you. The TMR reticle is outstanding in my opinion.
keep in mind that mildots in a scope are not meant to be sight points. they are there to determine range and then you are suppose to adust your elevation and windage. For most shooter a rangefinder is much easier to use. So dont bail on a good scope just because it doesnt have all those busy dots and lines in it. Unless your a real crawling through the crap sniper you dont need them.
1858, what makes a Nightforce better than a Leupold? They are definately more expensive, but what justifies the cost? Also, what is the warranty of a Nightforce like compared to a Leupold? I didn't hear you mention Zeiss, like others. Anyone think Zeiss is inferior, equal or better than Leupolds and/or Nightforces?
I suppose illumination can come in handy if I am shooting in a dark area
But whats the use of training if I train with a crappy scope? And also, what if my $400 scope breaks? I am out $400, because I hear scopes in this price range usually are not warrantied. Maybe Leupold is different in this regard, I don't know. As for my credit card, I know its not free money. I am one of the most tight pocketed people on the earth. I mean I don't spend money on anything. However, after the election I started getting into guns and have been buying what I think wont be around. However, I just want a couple more optics and couple handguns, thats all. As for ammo, I am stocking up on that too..Buy a 400$ or less scope
strongly urge you to reconsider going into debt for a scope. building up credit card debt is a galactically bad idea.
before you buy, make sure you talk to Alex at www.eurooptic.com
i'd encourage you to make a list of what's most important to you and prioritize it.
Terrorbl H2O Man:
Who makes the mount your scope is on? - the rail on top of the rail
But whats the use of training if I train with a crappy scope? And also, what if my $400 scope breaks? I am out $400, because I hear scopes in this price range usually are not warrantied. Maybe Leupold is different in this regard, I don't know. As for my credit card, I know its not free money. I am one of the most tight pocketed people on the earth. I mean I don't spend money on anything. However, after the election I started getting into guns and have been buying what I think wont be around. However, I just want a couple more optics and couple handguns, thats all. As for ammo, I am stocking up on that too..
Maybe you are right though, why buy a $1500 scope being a new shooter. Perhaps buying a lower priced Leupold would be the way to go. However, I would like a long-range scope that has tactical abilties. If I am going to train, I like to train also with a good scope. I was reading Zak Smith's article and he said it is a must to get a good scope if you want to make the most of your training.
Extra skill is real important to make accurate shots over 150 yards.I was always told having extra magnification is real important for hitting targets over 500 yards or so, but I am not really sure
I mean, if I am shooting closer I can always zoom the mag down to the lower magnification. I know many scopes are fixed at 10 mag, but I rather not be limited. As for what I am doing, I will be doing a little bit of everything.
Watch out for those cheap scopes! They are every bit as good as the person behind them. The one my friend uses was $50 and he has it on a $250 rifle. I used Swifts and loved them and recently Konus has impressed me.The Swifts ran about $300 and I would go to them again for another long range only rig. For my all around I have gone to the Konus Shotgun scope 1.5-5 and it has been abused (dropped, kicked, rolled over by a dying deer, bled on, and thrown into a truck bed) for 6 months and no change in zero yet.But whats the use of training if I train with a crappy scope? And also, what if my $400 scope breaks? I am out $400, because I hear scopes in this price range usually are not warrantied.
I could give you a barret 50 cal and a 2K dollar scope, yet you couldn't hit a pie plate at 700 yards easily. With your level of training, and the firearm your wanting to tackle long ranges, there really isn't a point to buy a 1,600 dollar scope. A 300 to 400$ scope will do everything you want.
GregGry
Extra skill is real important to make accurate shots over 150 yards.
but it can be VERY frustrating for you when you start with an unknown gun, a cheap scope, no idea what your zero is, no idea how to estimate the wind, no idea how fast your ammo is going or what its drop is at range... so the new shooter has no idea how to diagnose the problem because it could be anything.
my advice is to reduce as many variables as possible
i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one like this. I know that LongRangeInternational, which offers long range training and some of their guys post here regularly, have repeatedly stated that every one of their students gets on steel at 1000 yrds pretty quickly.
Speaking of them and budget/quality optics, you mentioned a few months ago that you were thinking about laying hands on one of the Pride-Fowler scopes that those guys speak so highly of. Did you ever get a chance to try one out? One of those might be of interest to the OP as well.