Subway Searches Go on Quietly, Just How Police Like Them

[pacodelahoya]

Yea, but if you had nothing to hide.........

 

[GTSteve03]

Though it does give me something else to avoid, but I never been searched more before than 8 times (one of which was stripped) in one hour at Atlanta airport, then the interviews, being called a criminal for entering the US three times in a year, being called a scumbag who no better than Osama bin Laden, taped interviewed and followed around by armed guards so obvious that they got cross when you waved at them was by far the worse bs I been through. Luckly they had no real reason to stop me in the end. I am also glad it didn't involve a cavity search.

Wow Limey, that's awful, even for Atlanta!

I want to personally apologize, being a tax-paying citizen of the state of Georgia, for the complete and total idiots we have running things in the "great" city of Atlanta. Apparently our airport security is the worst bunch of jack-booted thugs in the nation, and it appears they're even more bigoted than I thought.

We aren't all like that in Georgia, but it sure doesn't give a good impression to all the international traffic that comes through Hartsfield. :banghead:

 

[gyp_c2]

ha...

Yea, but if you had nothing to hide.........

...you crack me up...

 

[nobody_special]

You mean, drive on the PUBLIC roads? Oh, wait...

Guess you'll have to walk on the PUBLIC sidewalks then...

I sense a problem here. Unless you have the ability to fly, you can't get from point A to point B without traveling on public property. Meaning, if the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to public property, it doesn't apply once you leave your yard.

Quoted for deep truth that bears repeating. benEzra, you just became my hero.

 

[000Buck]

I mainly see them at the PATH trains going from NJ into NYC, not so much on the NYC subways. The scary thing is seeing NJ state police with people pulled over on the freeway....their uniforms look like Nazi SS uniforms.

 

[Wayne]

so you dont have to submit to the search but you cant ride the PUBLIC train that YOU paid for with YOUR tax dollars. ok then

 

[Lucky]

Ratzinger, Somekid it's not quite like that. But it's OT. http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdo...l=L&statuteyear=all&lengthannual=50&length=50


Limey, things are bad all over. Here people support 'security', no matter how inane it may be. They're not bad-intentioned people, just so very trusting, credulous. It's the very same ingredients of Germany in 1935. Those who disagree disagree on points of logic or convenience. It's hard to find those who disagree on principle of freedoms.

 

[benEzra]

Saw this gem just this morning in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/nyregion/09ring.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

New York Plans Surveillance Veil for Downtown

By CARA BUCKLEY
Published: July 9, 2007

By the end of this year, police officials say, more than 100 cameras will have begun monitoring cars moving through Lower Manhattan, the beginning phase of a London-style surveillance system that would be the first in the United States.
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If the program is fully financed, it will include not only license plate readers but also 3,000 public and private security cameras below Canal Street, as well as a center staffed by the police and private security officers, and movable roadblocks.
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But Mr. Kelly said last week that the department had since obtained $25 million toward the estimated $90 million cost of the plan. Fifteen million dollars came from Homeland Security grants, he said, while another $10 million came from the city, more than enough to install 116 license plate readers in fixed and mobile locations, including cars and helicopters, in the coming months.
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But the downtown security plan involves much more than keeping track of license plates. Three thousand surveillance cameras would be installed below Canal Street by the end of 2008, about two-thirds of them owned by downtown companies. Some of those are already in place. Pivoting gates would be installed at critical intersections; they would swing out to block traffic or a suspect car at the push of a button.

Unlike the 250 or so cameras the police have already placed in high-crime areas throughout the city, which capture moving images that have to be downloaded, the security initiative cameras would transmit live information instantly.
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The Police Department is still considering whether to use face-recognition technology, an inexact science that matches images against those in an electronic database, or biohazard detectors in its Lower Manhattan network, Mr. Browne said.
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Would this mean that every Wall Street broker, every tourist munching a hot dog near the United States Court House and every sightseer at ground zero would constantly be under surveillance?

“This program marks a whole new level of police monitoring of New Yorkers and is being done without any public input, outside oversight, or privacy protections for the hundreds of thousands of people who will end up in N.Y.P.D. computers," Christopher Dunn, a lawyer with the New York Civil Liberties Union, wrote in an e-mail message.
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Mr. Browne said that the Police Department would have control over how the material is used. He said that the cameras would be recording in “areas where there’s no expectation of privacy” and that law-abiding citizens had nothing to fear.
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Mr. Browne said software tracking the cameras’ images would be designed to pick up suspicious behavior. If, for example, a bag is left unattended for a certain length of time, or a suspicious car is detected repeatedly circling the same block, the system will send out an alert, he said.

NYC seems to be emulating London...



"Welcome to City 17. It's safer here."

 

[eric.cartman]

I lived in NYC for 3 years. I personally fell victim to the searches...

I, 6'4", white, short black hair, well groomed, was carying a backpack. While I got searched, a muslim with a backpack got let through, and so did a gang banger from Yonkers (this is not a racist comment, bare with me...).

My wife, 5'2", white, blond, for the love of God, get's her purse searched, as well as back pack, on her way to school.

Both incidents at Kew Gardens E,F line subway station (yea, we lived at 119-40 Union Tpke.).

Now here's my question to all those against racial profiling... if KKK was responsible for "terrorist" attacks on busses/subways/etc, would you, in order to make everyone feel better, search a black person???

The fact is, terrorists are of certain origina, race, skin color. I'm not a racist. I'm just being practical.

 

[AJAX22]

there are actually white muslims from the caucausas (the whole serbian/croatian thing displaced alot of them)

so it does make sense to search white guys too and isnt (compleatly) a feel good measure