Judge OKs Police Subway Searches in NYC

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_us/transit_security_lawsuit


By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - A federal judge Friday upheld the police department's practice of randomly searching subway riders' bags, saying the intrusion on people's privacy is minimal while the threat of a terrorist bombing is "real and substantial."

Police tightened security in the nation's largest subway system in July after the deadly terrorist attacks in London's underground.

"The risk of a terrorist bombing of New York City's subway system is real and substantial," U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman said.

The New York Civil Liberties Union had challenged the searches, arguing that riders were being subjected to a pointless and unprecedented invasion of their privacy.

The judge cited the testimony of police officials who said the search policy might cause terrorists to choose a different target.

"Because the threat of terrorism is great and the consequences of unpreparedness may be catastrophic, it would seem foolish not to rely upon those qualified persons in the best position to know," Berman said.

Gail Donoghue, a city lawyer, called the searches a "life-and-death" necessity and said the city should not wait for a specific threat or an attack to crack down.

"That kind of complacency is a very dangerous thing," she said. "The threat is immediate. It is real and of extreme concern to those who run the counterterrorism in this city."

During the trial, Deputy Police Commissioner David Cohen said the searches keep terrorists guessing.

"Unpredictability is the enemy of terrorists and the ally of those trying to prevent an attack," said Cohen, who joined the police department after a three-decade career at the CIA analyzing the threat of terrorism.
 
I will put up with terrorists thank you.

Freedom is worth much more than a subway, a skyscraper or even thousands
of lives.

Attack the perpetrators and remain vigilant without taking abusing the rights of our citizens.
 
"Unpredictability is the enemy of terrorists and the ally of those trying to prevent an attack," said Cohen, who joined the police department after a three-decade career at the CIA analyzing the threat of terrorism.

And what a bang up job the CIA did.
 
Because the threat of terrorism is great and the consequences of unpreparedness may be catastrophic, it would seem foolish not to rely upon those qualified persons in the best position to know," Berman said.
Yeah, but, what about the Constitution? :confused: :confused: Has it been repealed?
 
i live upstate, but used to like to go into the city occasionally to go to the museums or a show or whatever, but these days its like an occupied land, and I no longer go. I wish we could officially separate them from upstate, as gets proposed from time to time.
 
There are 12-million people in NYC. I'm guessing, what, thirty terrorists are there (gotta say somethin')?

Odds are they'll have to search 500,000 bags before they find one ka-blooey. And if that one-in-a-million/2 sees he is about to be searched, he detonates on the spot. Still gets the bang, still kills, still shuts down the subway, just not on a moving train.

They are rearranging the deck chairs because they can't think of real preventions measures. This expenditure of man-power should tell you how little these folks are doing.

Rick
 
Odds are they'll have to search 500,000 bags before they find one ka-blooey.

Fear not, they WILL find something. They have to, it's part of the script.
 
Not all of them deserve to be treated like cattle.:(

Truly an outrage. The complete nullification of reasonable suspicion, probable cause and, no doubt, lays the foundation for an exception to the warrant requirement--the exigent circumstance of "terrorism" somewhere out there.:(
 
What if everyone refuses to comply?

Will they put all the subway riders in gitmo?

It seems like civil disobedience might be a viable option.
 
jsalcedo said:
What if everyone refuses to comply?

Will they put all the subway riders in gitmo?

It seems like civil disobedience might be a viable option.
Not according to their present policy, which is to simply turn people back who refuse to comply, i.e., not arrest them. If you refuse, they will just block your path and not let you through. Now, if the policy is changed, as a result of this court case emboldening them, then you might have a point.
 
The Real Hawkeye said:
Not according to their present policy, which is to simply turn people back who refuse to comply, i.e., not arrest them. If you refuse, they will just block your path and not let you through. Now, if the policy is changed, as a result of this court case emboldening them, then you might have a point.
It will. If you take this to the logical absurdity, you get -
Because of the clear and present danger of terrorists, LEO can and will stop you on the street for random searches. After all, we must be safe.
:banghead: :cuss:
 
Face it since 911 everything in the world has been done to kill what is left of the Republic. Anyone want to tell me how the Republicans stand for the Constitution? No better if not worse then the Democrats. For now on if I vote it will be the Constitution Party!
 
lostone1413 said:
Face it since 911 everything in the world has been done to kill what is left of the Republic. Anyone want to tell me how the Republicans stand for the Constitution? No better if not worse then the Democrats. For now on if I vote it will be the Constitution Party!
Me too.
 
NEW YORK - A federal judge Friday upheld the police department's practice of randomly searching subway riders' bags, saying the intrusion on people's privacy is minimal while the threat of a terrorist bombing is "real and substantial."
Just what in :cuss: has that got to do with the 4th Amendment?

Makes one wonder if that judge even knows what it says. Probably not based on his ruling. Typical sheople ruling. Give up basic liberty in the name of security. :(

Too bad that once it's gone we'll never get it back. :mad:
 
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Inch by inch, my country is dying and nobody cares.

Ah well. At least the trains will run on time.

pax

This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector. -– Plato circa 400 B.C.
 
Dear Osama,

Alas! The jig is up!

We can no longer carry out jihad in NYC. They are searching all the bags going into the subway.

Sincererly,

Ischmash Raheed.
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Dear Raheed,

Take a cab, you dumbass.

Sincerely,

Osama.
 
Dear Ischmash Raheed,
Thanks for the update. Good work. Our plan is working.

Allah Akbaar,
O. B. Laden
 
geekWithA.45 said:
Dear Osama,

Alas! The jig is up!

We can no longer carry out jihad in NYC. They are searching all the bags going into the subway.

Sincererly,

Ischmash Raheed.
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Dear Raheed,

Take a cab, you dumbass.

Sincerely,

Osama.



LOL. That made me laugh. thanks
 
You gotta be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!

"The risk of a terrorist bombing of New York City's subway system is real and substantial," U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman said.

Apparently the logic is, international terrorists blow up foreign subways; therefore, police in the U.S. have the right to search anyone riding a subway.

By the same logic, international terrorists are using vehicles as car bombs, so in the U.S. police could pull over anyone for any reason just to search them for explosives since there must be a real and substantial risk of car bombs in the U.S. Same thing for pedestrian bombs.

This ruling is disgusting. It simply has to be overturned. There is just no way it can be constitional to search people in such an everyday activity as riding the subway based on no suspicion whatsoever. I mean, this is huge, why isn't there a huge uproar over this?! This is a 4th Amendment version of what happened to the 2nd Amendment in New Orleans, except here the courts ruled FOR the police state!
 
Creeping Incrementalism said:
Apparently the logic is, international terrorists blow up foreign subways; therefore, police in the U.S. have the right to search anyone riding a subway.

By the same logic, international terrorists are using vehicles as car bombs, so in the U.S. police could pull over anyone for any reason just to search them for explosives since there must be a real and substantial risk of car bombs in the U.S. Same thing for pedestrian bombs.

This ruling is disgusting. It simply has to be overturned. There is just no way it can be constitional to search people in such an everyday activity as riding the subway based on no suspicion whatsoever. I mean, this is huge, why isn't there a huge uproar over this?! This is a 4th Amendment version of what happened to the 2nd Amendment in New Orleans, except here the courts ruled FOR the police state!
It is amazing, isn't it? I guess those who said that we'd go out with a whimper instead of a bang were correct. I, for one, am outraged, but don't know what to do about it. I guess the Constitution is little more than a piece of paper these days. Liberty under law was a wonderful experiment while it lasted, though. Wasn't it? :confused:
 
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