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.. routine in NYC; "indisputable, pressing, ongoing and evolving."

Except it is hard for me to imagine the actual reason and logic behind this. Since any "suicide bomber" could simply detonate his or her device at the point of detection. I am sure that the desired results would be no different in a crowded subway area or checkpoint with hundreds of people around - than in a crowded subway car ......

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/ap/nation/4034635
July 9, 2006, 1:16PM

Bag Searches Become Routine on NYC Subway
By TOM HAYS Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

NEW YORK — It was billed as a necessary counterterrorism tactic after the deadly mass transit bombings in London: Anyone entering the city's sprawling subway system could be subjected to a random search of backpacks, briefcases and shopping bags.

One year and countless searches later, the practice once thought of as a temporary imposition, with the potential to trample civil rights, remains in effect and is barely causing a stir.

"We consider it a valuable tactic to use," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in a recent interview. "It's not a panacea, it's not a cure-all, but it's another tool in our toolbox."

Officials won't say how many bags police have searched in the past year, or specify where and when they do it. Unpredictable deployment keeps would-be bombers off balance, they say.

The program has resulted in five arrests _ not for terrorism, but for drug possession, disorderly conduct and other minor charges.

Still, the nation's largest police department considers the city's 468 subway stations and the average 4.5 million riders who use them daily on average to be ripe targets for terrorism. The subway inspections are just one element of a counterterrorism program that costs the NYPD roughly $200 million a year.

Each day, police set up checkpoints in a handful of stations across the city, often during the afternoon rush. A typical checkpoint has three uniformed officers equipped with a folding table and flashlights used to peer into bags, a far cry from the elaborate screening stations in airports.

At a checkpoint at the Wall Street subway stop last week, about every 10th person was stopped for a search that lasted perhaps 10 seconds. The officers shooed away some commuters who tried to voluntarily open their bags for inspection.

If the chosen were bothered, it didn't show.

"I'm trying to make a train, but it's OK," said Eric Mergenthaler, a 38-year-old stock trader. "I understand why they're doing it."

The New York Civil Liberties Union believed the searches were such violations of privacy that it went to court last year to stop them. A federal judge disagreed, saying that following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks the need for such measures was "indisputable, pressing, ongoing and evolving."

The NYCLU has appealed. Its lawyers argue the searches are too infrequent to be a real deterrent, yet frequent enough to violate constitutional rights.

"We're in favor of making people feel comfortable, but not at the expense of the Constitution," said NYCLU Legal Director Christopher Dunn.

Kelly cited a poll of registered voters last year that found 72 percent favored the program.

"The public seems to be happy with it, and the cops are positive about it," he said of the search program. "I think so far it's worked very, very well."

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So the searches are just of carried bags? Good thing you can't hide a grenade under a coat. :)
 
Looks kind of expensive to me, figure only three officers, per shift, around the clock. One of the three has to be a supervisor, so call their wage at 50 grand a year each. Twelve officers, so they can cover weekends and holidays. So, just figuring wages, no cars or communications, or administration, that is 600,000$..... for five misdemeanor arrests :what:
 
Most people don't mind. Ask them. They will tell you they don't have nothing to hide. Hey, they don't mind giving up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety. I wonder if the same thing works on monitering phone conversations.:uhoh:
 
another fine reason i have not gone to NY or NJ in 10 years and have no plans to go again.

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And yet we are told, by the Left, that mass transit is "the answer?"

The reality is that in an age of terrorism mass ANYTHING is the problem. I wonder when we'll start figuring that out.
 
Well hey at least they are not inspecting whats in those underwire Bras.

And they are not conducting body cavity searches with broom handles yet, but you did say they were folks from the uniformed patrol division, so I guess only the detective squad does those.

But if armed men searching bags at random makes the NYCers FEEEEEEEEEELL
SAFER more power to them.
 
Bag Searches Become Routine on NYC Subway
Wasn't that the point in the first place?
Kelly cited a poll of registered voters last year that found 72 percent favored the program.
Does anyone really find this surprising considering the source and the voters in question. Baaaahhhhh-bahhhhhhh bleat!
"The public seems to be happy with it, and the cops are positive about it," he said of the search program. "I think so far it's worked very, very well."
Police State 1 - Liberty 0

Sad - so sad that most of the rabble just don't get it but then if they got it they wouldn't be rabble now would they.
 
And yet we are told, by the Left, that mass transit is "the answer?"
And now you can see why ... the Left wants us in chains ... take our cars and force us into buses/trains and they have an excuse to search us.

Mass transit is just one more way to make us dependent on government ... and every bit of dependency is another bit of control.


For everything government does FOR you it can do 10 things TO you.
 
Search cars as well?

I seem to remember they're searching cars trying to use ferries as well. Cant remember where. Maybe someone here will.
 
"Most people don't mind. Ask them. They will tell you they don't have nothing to hide. Hey, they don't mind giving up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety ..."

"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither" - Benjamin Franklin
 
"most of the rabble just don't get it but then if they got it they wouldn't be rabble now would they" -- Werewolf

Does anybody else see the wisdom of simple humor? Just an aside.
 
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