Worst firearms maker?

[fixyurgun]

RG/rohm

 

[gopguy]

My vote goes to Rohm RG. This long defunct (and deservedly so) gun company was infamous for its cheap revolvers. Banned from import in 1968 they later made barrels and cylinders in germany and they were assembled in the USA in Hialeah Florida. These were what liberals loved to call Saturday Night Specials. I had one when I was 15 years old, that I paid $15 for. This was in 1978. The thing was a RG 23 double action six shot .22lr. It would only fire reliably in single action mode as the main spring was weak. Trigger pull was bad and the front sight was a sleave that fit over the barrel and was held in place by a friction screw. I eventually gave it to a old girlfriend who wanted it.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

ironic name

Does anyone remember Noble?

A gunsmithing book on troubleshooting long guns warns that
the cost of any repair to a Noble .22 rifle or shotgun will
exceed the value of the resulting gun.

(ByTheWay Noble arms had NO connection to Nobel!)

 

[Mizzle187]

I really dont think Taurus as a whole should be anywhere in this list. Im not a Taurus fan either. I own one, a model 66 I bought for $75 that had been fire twice from a friend of mine. Its really nice. I wouldnt but a Taurus revolver over a SW but still. Have they made some bad guns? Sure but almost no one can say they havent. My votes is for Jennings and Cobray. Those are the two worst I have dealt with(Ive never owned either just been around them yeara ago.)

 

[belton-deer-hunter]

{flame suit on} i disagree with the raven replies i am hearing i own a ravoen mp25 and sadly it is nickel plated with rose wood grips but it has not jammed on me at all and i have fired a few rounds through it and never had any problems {flame suit off}

When it comes to American firearms I would have to say Savage, Harrington Richards, and Mossberg.

now when this was posted I almost started laughing first savage they make some of the best rifles i ahve ever fired. H&R need i say single shot shot guns theirs are almost un brekable. and now mossberg god i wish i had a dollar for everyo nethat said they 870 would outshot my mossberg but guess what they never did. many an 870 has fallen to my old mossberg 500c i still kick myself for selling it.

 

[Old Dog]

And yet another useless thread suckers people into responding ...

When I see people stating that Ruger, S&W, Taurus, Savage, H&R and Mossberg are their choices as "worst firearms maker" -- we need a sanity check around here, stat ...

 

[ebd10]

Charter Arms, Charco, or whatever they call themselves now. Made nothing but POS's for years. Had a Bulldog Pug that went out of timing every time I fired a box of .44 Specials. My best friend had an undercover in which the face of the cylinder was cut at an angle, causing it to bind. They had some good ideas, just bad execution.

 

[Smith & Wesson Man]

I have to defend H&R and Mossberg. My family and friends use their firearms and have great results with them. I think in price they are much cheaper, but they are simple and they work. I have a mossberg 695 and 500, and have taken many whitetails here in Michigan. With my 695 I will shoot just as good or better groupings than the Browning bolt 12guage. I think the worst for me would be Taurus in the 80's and early 90's. I think they have improved for being a big gun company. I guess that is why I pick them.

 

[Manedwolf]

or me it would be a toss up between century and taurus..........

Does your calendar, perchance, still say "1983"?

I suggest you look at the Taurus 24/7 that won NRA Gun of the Year last year. Or the Millenium Pro line. Or the Raging Bull hunting revolvers. Or the Gaucho SA's. Or...

 

[1 old 0311]

Seecamp. Junk pistols, NO customer service.

Kevin

 

[kennyboy]

High Point. They couldn't make them any cheaper and less attractive. People like the carbines, but they do not look nice at all. I know that looks account for little in the gun world. However, one can spend a few hundred dollars more and get a nicer looking Ruger, Beretta, or even a Bushmaster carbine that shoots just the same as a High Point, if not better. As for their pistols, I would be rich if I bottled up all the negative comments in a bottle and sold them on Ebay.

 

[MatthewVanitas]

However, one can spend a few hundred dollars more and get a nicer looking Ruger, Beretta, or even a Bushmaster carbine that shoots just the same as a High Point, if not better

Considering that a Hi-Point carbine costs less than a few hundred in the first place...

Tossing a "few hundred dollars more" on top of your $175 pricetag had _better_ get you a superior product. However, there are plenty of of shooters on this board (and the review in Gun Test) that argue that the Beretta and Ruger have little or nothing over the HP besides looks.

Bushmaster carbine? Now we're looking around $800. I will grant you there: for five times the price, you're probably getting a superior carbine.

-MV

 

[VirgilCaine]

High Point. They couldn't make them any cheaper and less attractive. People like the carbines, but they do not look nice at all. I know that looks account for little in the gun world. However, one can spend a few hundred dollars more and get a nicer looking Ruger, Beretta, or even a Bushmaster carbine that shoots just the same as a High Point, if not better. As for their pistols, I would be rich if I bottled up all the negative comments in a bottle and sold them on Ebay.

See, to me, this is a silly reason to say they are the worst gun maker.

If the product is of good quality, I don't particularly care how it looks (There are limits, but let's say I don't mind Hi-Points).
I care how it shoots. The only thing the person I may shoot will see is the muzzle, those all look the same.

Nominate a gun that doesn't work well. Nominate a gun that will endanger the user by jamming when they need to shoot a bad guy. Don't nominate a gun that looks bad, that the worst thing that will happen is people will snigger about one having an ugly gun. That seems petty.

 

[Husker1911]

"Does your calendar, perchance, still say "1983"?

I suggest you look at the Taurus 24/7 that won NRA Gun of the Year last year. Or the Millenium Pro line. Or the Raging Bull hunting revolvers. Or the Gaucho SA's. Or..."
---------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry my friend, but "guns of the year" mean squat. Marketing, plain and simple. I recall Outdoor Life (I think) deeming the Raptor rifle such a gun of the year. What an absolute piece of caca that was! Have you ever read anything critical of a Taurus in Guns & Ammo?

As far as Taurus goes, if you're a consumer, you're probably OK with one of their products. If it's actually for sale somewhere, it's passed the final (retailer) inspection. As a retailer, I detested the fact every 4th or 5th Taurus I'd try to put into the display counter had some obvious defect, and that I'd have to (once again) return the problem to Taurus. I hated the fact that I'd become their de facto final inspector. It was a variety of problems, with their entire product line. Our shop had a 24/7 (Gun of the Year!) that would drop the empty magazine when the slide was released into battery. With the costs of returning them to Taurus, and then waiting for their repairs department, it became frustrating extolling the virtues of Taurus to a prospective customer.

 

[The Jackal]

And yet another useless thread suckers people into responding ...

When I see people stating that Ruger, S&W, Taurus, Savage, H&R and Mossberg are their choices as "worst firearms maker" -- we need a sanity check around here, stat ...

+1 here, except for the useless thread part. Personally it shows how many folks here are not very experienced with a variety of firearms. Jennings gets my vote as worst. I have fired several and every one had feed and fire issues.

 

[Dionysusigma]

It seems that it's not the companies that are bad, just some of their guns.

Taurus's .22 compact autos.
Walther's G22 rifle.
Smith and Wesson's Sigma (or SW9VE).
Colt (anything made lately).
Century... could be any of their guns. Seemingly no QC control.

However, all of the aforementioned have made some pretty good weaponry. It's merely a matter of prior experience.

 

[White Horseradish]

Jennings/Raven/Stallard (Now Hi-Point Arms)

Hi-Point has no relation to Jennings/Bryco and never did.

However, one can spend a few hundred dollars more and get a nicer looking Ruger, Beretta, or even a Bushmaster carbine that shoots just the same as a High Point, if not better.

Would you like my address so that you can send me the few hundred dollars in question? I solemnly swear to use the money for the purchase of the firearm of your choice.

 

[Ala Dan]

by Kevin Quinlan:

Seecamp. Junk pistols. NO customer service.

I find this quite contrary too popular opinion. I find that the Seecamp
LWS-32 is as fine a pocket pistol, as any made, here or abroad. And
where else can one find the owner/CEO of the company responding
on his very own website? My little LWS-32 has functioned flawless,
with all types of JHP ammo; although Larry now recommends the use
of Federal Hydra-Shok's~!

 

[evan price]

Quote:
Originally Posted by evan price
Jennings/Raven/Stallard (Now Hi-Point Arms)

Hi-Point has no relation to Jennings/Bryco and never did.

Horseradish: Yes, I know, that was a list... then I decided to modify my list in a later post to break down the variants of the Jennings bastard children. IMHO Stallard/Hi-Point builds cheap guns for gang bangers in the same category as the Jennings "Ring Of Fire" crap... just slightly better.


I just have to know- anyone-
"Are you professional enough to carry this Hi-Point Forty?"

 

[billcavazos]

worse guns

I didnt mean to step on brand loyalists. The guns mentioned are really not bad at all, but the thread starter asked what were the worse guns we had. Yes there is definately much worse than I stated. Jennings, Raven, Bryco..etc are just plain junk and I would never buy junk. The reason I placed Savage,H&R, and Mossberg is because I was comparing them to the rest of my gun inventory. When you compare a Savage 110 to a Browning Safari Grade rifle or a Weatherby well sure the Savage was junk when compared. When I compared my H&R and Mossberg pump it was junk to my auto 5 and Rem 1100.

 

[Seven High]

Rossi. Older models of their revolvers had poor quality control.

 

[Crosscut]

Fisi I Didn't mean to twist your short arm, I was just asking.

 

[1911 guy]

I must protest, Hitman.

My carry peice is a Charles Daly 1911. It ain't pretty and it will look bad next to my Springer or Para, but I just completed TDI Handgun I-III with it. Over 1,300 rounds with ZERO weapon related malfunctions. Had one bad mag, it went to the trash can. Good accuracy, too.

I will, however, completely agree with those who are saying Jennings. A friend had a Jennings .22 that was essentially a single shot. Pull the trigger, clear the malf.

 

[qajaq59]

None other then

Jennings. I wonder if anyone has ever gotten one of those to NOT jam after 2 shots? I love the safety lever made out of plastic too.

 

[John-Melb]

I remember reading an article years ago about testing these small automatics.

The best thing they could say about on particular brand was something like "This piece, as a defensive firearm is useless, however the magazine lips are sharp enough to use as a knife for last ditch efforts"