Silver Bullet
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Hopefully that won't happen when you're doing a fast draw on someone who is already preparing to shoot you.
Worst firearms maker?
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BigFatKen
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Parker
I had a S/S Parker in 10mm. ~1993. It jamed one in every mag. The lifetime warrenty was worthless. I traded it to a gunsmith who could fix it but he said he might not make minimum wage with all of the polishing it would need.
I have had a 1973, 1976 and 1997 Ruger M77. Still have the 1976 in .25-06 and it has NEVER had one problem. My 10/22 runs flawlessly. Same for my 1967 .41 Mag. I am afraid however that my .45 Colt ~1972 will need a cleaning as the hammer will not drop without a little push.
That is the only problem I have had in forty years of Ruger ownership. One needs a little cleaning.
I had a S/S Parker in 10mm. ~1993. It jamed one in every mag. The lifetime warrenty was worthless. I traded it to a gunsmith who could fix it but he said he might not make minimum wage with all of the polishing it would need.
I have had a 1973, 1976 and 1997 Ruger M77. Still have the 1976 in .25-06 and it has NEVER had one problem. My 10/22 runs flawlessly. Same for my 1967 .41 Mag. I am afraid however that my .45 Colt ~1972 will need a cleaning as the hammer will not drop without a little push.
That is the only problem I have had in forty years of Ruger ownership. One needs a little cleaning.
Current crap, Kel-Tec. These are little better than the Jennings of years ago.
Past crap, Intratec. Anyone that thinks Jennings, Bryco and Raven are bad has never owned an Intratec wonder. Worse than Jennings, worse than even the old Iver Johnson stuff from the 1920s. Seriously, the Intratec stuff is quite bad.
Past crap, Intratec. Anyone that thinks Jennings, Bryco and Raven are bad has never owned an Intratec wonder. Worse than Jennings, worse than even the old Iver Johnson stuff from the 1920s. Seriously, the Intratec stuff is quite bad.
Rohm RG30
Okay, has anybody really worked on a RG/Rohm revolver? I've got a RG 30, 32 S&W Long, 6 shot, 4" barrel. I know I will garner lightning bolts, but I'm kind of fond of this little plinker (NOT for CCW!!) I've been inside it and it looks Okay. Only problem I have is some previous owner didn't know how to put it back together and now I'm having trouble getting the cylinder assembly (center pin, ejector, ejector rod and springs) apart. There is a slotted rod collar the same diameter as the ejector rod - can not figure out how to get it apart. Someone told me to try a Colt tool from Brownells, but I don't want to spend $45 for a tool that MIGHT work - the gun only cost me $55!
Oh, well - no ejector spring does not stop the hammer fall - so I'll just keep hav'n fun plinkin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, has anybody really worked on a RG/Rohm revolver? I've got a RG 30, 32 S&W Long, 6 shot, 4" barrel. I know I will garner lightning bolts, but I'm kind of fond of this little plinker (NOT for CCW!!) I've been inside it and it looks Okay. Only problem I have is some previous owner didn't know how to put it back together and now I'm having trouble getting the cylinder assembly (center pin, ejector, ejector rod and springs) apart. There is a slotted rod collar the same diameter as the ejector rod - can not figure out how to get it apart. Someone told me to try a Colt tool from Brownells, but I don't want to spend $45 for a tool that MIGHT work - the gun only cost me $55!Oh, well - no ejector spring does not stop the hammer fall - so I'll just keep hav'n fun plinkin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thereisnospoon
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COLT and Anything by Wilson Combat
Wilson Combat followed closely by COLT
What a bunch of overpriced crap...
at least when you buy a $45.00 Jennings, you KNOW its gonna jam and break, but a $2000.00 .45 should give you a massage as well as function at least 1 out of 8 shots...
Never shot a COLT I liked, EVER
Wilson Combat followed closely by COLT
What a bunch of overpriced crap...
at least when you buy a $45.00 Jennings, you KNOW its gonna jam and break, but a $2000.00 .45 should give you a massage as well as function at least 1 out of 8 shots...
Never shot a COLT I liked, EVER
I had several friends that had Rossi revolvers and they were cheap and ugly. But they swore by their reliability.
I have fired several and while they are not in the class of a tuned SW or Taurus or Colt or Ruger revolver, they get the job done.
Me too, but the couple I have fired went bang every time I pulled the trigger with the right ammo. They did not reliably feed HP ammo, but HPs in a .25 auto are never going to expand anyway so why bother in the first place?
I nominate the NAA mini-revolvers as the most useless of the well made guns.
I feel the need to respond to the High Standard hater. High Standard has made some very fine firearms. They have also made some real duds. They have also managed to take some really good firearms and make them into duds. Most of the later generation of problems are almost entirely magazine related.
I feel any firearm that carrys a premium price ought to perform well above average. My experience is that many fairly expensive firearms do not perform substantially better than much less expensive utility grade firearms that are not as pretty.
Creeping Incrementalism
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I have shot a top-tang M77 in 7mm Mauser, and was very dissatisfied with it. It fails to feed about 50% of the time from the internal magazine, so I always shoot it single-shot. It shoots 4 inches cold, 5 inches warm with factory ammo, and about an inch less with the right handloads. Even my inaccurate Mini-14 is more accurate than that.
The Mini-14s I have short are mediocre, too. They are not very accurate, and sometimes unreliable. One was a jam-a-matic until after digesting about 1500 rounds. I could tell that shooting it had worn off the rough edges--that's just crappy manufacturing. Maybe it is just bad luck, as other people on this board have said before.
On the other hand, a Ruger revolver I've shot is a pure dream. With iron sights at about 30 yards, it is more accurate than the rifles I just mentioned, which are all scoped.
belton-deer-hunter
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well i bought
one of the worst guns on this list a raven mp-25 and it actully is doing rellay well it is built very well and i had no problem useing it with no jams or misfires so i am happy
one of the worst guns on this list a raven mp-25 and it actully is doing rellay well it is built very well and i had no problem useing it with no jams or misfires so i am happy
sturmruger
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In the past I would have agreed with the HI Point bashers, but I have been shooting with a guy that has one and it has really performed well. Oh and everyone that has one of their carbines can't say enough good things about them. I prefer my Ruger carbine, but to each their own.
Got all of you beat...
Worst i ever had was a German made .22 LR / .22 Mag. revolver i had back in the 70's by Arminius. It was a 'cool' looking gun, looked a lot like a Colt python, but that's where any similarity to quality ended, it's looks, because it was the worst piece of junk ever. The thing would misfire as often as not, regardless of ammo manufacturer, but the real kicker was when the top rib & barrel decided to sepearate themselves from the frame & nearly went down range with the last shot!
I got a replacement from my gunshop for only the shipping charges, and the same thing happened to the barrel with the new one within 200 rounds. I don't know if they're still around or not, i haven't seen or heard about them in years, but don't even CONSIDER buying one of these pot-metal-special pieces of crap if you happen to see one somewhere!
Worst i ever had was a German made .22 LR / .22 Mag. revolver i had back in the 70's by Arminius. It was a 'cool' looking gun, looked a lot like a Colt python, but that's where any similarity to quality ended, it's looks, because it was the worst piece of junk ever. The thing would misfire as often as not, regardless of ammo manufacturer, but the real kicker was when the top rib & barrel decided to sepearate themselves from the frame & nearly went down range with the last shot!
I got a replacement from my gunshop for only the shipping charges, and the same thing happened to the barrel with the new one within 200 rounds. I don't know if they're still around or not, i haven't seen or heard about them in years, but don't even CONSIDER buying one of these pot-metal-special pieces of crap if you happen to see one somewhere!
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From everything I've ever seen, the top baddies would be Raven, Jennings, Lorcin, Bryco, and Hesse/Vulcan/etc.
Seecamp. Junk pistols, NO customer service.
I concur, but because I am nice, I will offer to buy your crappy seecamps off you, at the reasonable price of $100 each.
Some people listed H&R, then others jumped to their defence regarding the H&R/NEF handi-rifles and single shot shotguns. I do believe those are all NEF products,and H&R bought the line. Those single shots are pretty decent guns, however, they are relatively recent addition to H&R's line. For a LONG time H&R's bread and butter was cheap revolvers, especially .22 and .32 longs. They did enough small revolver business that they were able to get the .32 mag invented with the idea of having a 38 special power round in a 32sized gun, at H&R cheap prices. Decent round, but a quality 32 mag revolver costs the same as a 38 special or even 357 revolver. Judging just the handirifle H&R is okay, judging there handguns, they are crap.
We are spoiled today, market forces have driven the worst of the junk gun makers off. Some still exist, but if all you can afford is junk, I think it should be legal to own. I hope you never have to use it, or if you do it is one of those 9 times out of 10 showing the gun is all that is needed to send the bad guy runing, but even the dirt poor deserve to have some access to home defense guns. To bad we can't have 'Gun Stamps' like 'Food Stamps'
Jennings, Lorcin, Davis, etc. I really got to agree with you all here. Yes, occasionally you will find a guy who has one that he shot over 50 rounds thorugh without a hiccup. However, that is the exception not the norm. In the same way, you will find name brand guns were someone owned one that is a peice of crap. However, those are both exceptions. Never heard of a jennings handling a few thousand rounds.
Hi point carbine. True, looks don't matter. But then a 9mm rifle isn't much of a concept either. All the bulk of a rifle and all the power of a handgun, that is not a winning combination. Sure, if I had to train a random busload of folks because of some SHTF is just around the corner a 9mm rifle would be a decent comprimise of low recoil and better accuracy ala a .22 but a tad more power. Beyond that, no, the 9mm rifle is just a fun shooter, just like a 32 single action is just a fun shooter, or a cap and ball is a fun shooter (it's days has passed) because of so many better choices. And when we are talking fun shooter, then yea, having it not look ugly is fine criteria.
If you need a longgun and you are looking at a hi point carbine for price reasons, go ask the dealer where he keeps his surplus mosins and enfields instead.
I concur, but because I am nice, I will offer to buy your crappy seecamps off you, at the reasonable price of $100 each.
Some people listed H&R, then others jumped to their defence regarding the H&R/NEF handi-rifles and single shot shotguns. I do believe those are all NEF products,and H&R bought the line. Those single shots are pretty decent guns, however, they are relatively recent addition to H&R's line. For a LONG time H&R's bread and butter was cheap revolvers, especially .22 and .32 longs. They did enough small revolver business that they were able to get the .32 mag invented with the idea of having a 38 special power round in a 32sized gun, at H&R cheap prices. Decent round, but a quality 32 mag revolver costs the same as a 38 special or even 357 revolver. Judging just the handirifle H&R is okay, judging there handguns, they are crap.
We are spoiled today, market forces have driven the worst of the junk gun makers off. Some still exist, but if all you can afford is junk, I think it should be legal to own. I hope you never have to use it, or if you do it is one of those 9 times out of 10 showing the gun is all that is needed to send the bad guy runing, but even the dirt poor deserve to have some access to home defense guns. To bad we can't have 'Gun Stamps' like 'Food Stamps'
Jennings, Lorcin, Davis, etc. I really got to agree with you all here. Yes, occasionally you will find a guy who has one that he shot over 50 rounds thorugh without a hiccup. However, that is the exception not the norm. In the same way, you will find name brand guns were someone owned one that is a peice of crap. However, those are both exceptions. Never heard of a jennings handling a few thousand rounds.
Hi point carbine. True, looks don't matter. But then a 9mm rifle isn't much of a concept either. All the bulk of a rifle and all the power of a handgun, that is not a winning combination. Sure, if I had to train a random busload of folks because of some SHTF is just around the corner a 9mm rifle would be a decent comprimise of low recoil and better accuracy ala a .22 but a tad more power. Beyond that, no, the 9mm rifle is just a fun shooter, just like a 32 single action is just a fun shooter, or a cap and ball is a fun shooter (it's days has passed) because of so many better choices. And when we are talking fun shooter, then yea, having it not look ugly is fine criteria.
If you need a longgun and you are looking at a hi point carbine for price reasons, go ask the dealer where he keeps his surplus mosins and enfields instead.
bg
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I can't really blame Century..After all a local FFL had one of
Century's "surplus" Garand's which was on sale. After
looking at it I pointed out that Century apparently had my best
interests at heart as the afore mentioned rifle's barrel appeared to
allow bullets to go around corners when exiting the muzzle..
Century's "surplus" Garand's which was on sale. After
looking at it I pointed out that Century apparently had my best
interests at heart as the afore mentioned rifle's barrel appeared to
allow bullets to go around corners when exiting the muzzle..
CajunBass
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Wow. I never been called a "gang banger" before.
Actually I thought they built guns for regular folks who couldn't afford anything more expensive. Is it really the company's fault that they are used sometimes by the criminal element among us? Does anyone know of a gun manufacturer whose product has never been used in a crime?
rangerruck
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tossup between Phoenix, and Hipoint.
H&R came first
Akodo,
FYI
H&R (Harrington and Richardson) came first and the Handi rifle is by no means a new addition. I grew up hunting with an H&R Topper 058 20ga with a interchangeable 30-30 Win barrel in the 60's and I currently own a H&R Topper 158 .22 Hornet Handi-Rifle made in the 60's.
RH
Akodo,
FYI
H&R (Harrington and Richardson) came first and the Handi rifle is by no means a new addition. I grew up hunting with an H&R Topper 058 20ga with a interchangeable 30-30 Win barrel in the 60's and I currently own a H&R Topper 158 .22 Hornet Handi-Rifle made in the 60's.
RH
BergaminoCAV
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My expeirience with the M16 in the army was the Colt verision = POS!!!!!!
maybe just because they were older, but I took the FN over colt annyyyy dayyyy haha, just because of my experience with the Colt M16, that is my least favorite rifle! allthough I love the 1911
maybe just because they were older, but I took the FN over colt annyyyy dayyyy haha, just because of my experience with the Colt M16, that is my least favorite rifle! allthough I love the 1911
MSGT9410
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I'm going to say Hesse/Vulcan -- I mean, they made AK-47s suck 
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