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That isn't helpful, nor is any other cynicism about RCBS. There is an actual reason, and someone who actually knows might comment.Because RCBS makes it that way.
That isn't helpful, nor is any other cynicism about RCBS. There is an actual reason, and someone who actually knows might comment.Because RCBS makes it that way.
Thanks. Still $130 a pop. I like my Lee Turrets for pocket change or my Hornady which doesn't use plates at all, given a handful of LnL bushings. Assuming there is no mechanical reason for tying a "quick change" powder measure to a die plate, I am betting RCBS will get this right eventually. And that assumes the website represents all of what they offer. For that money, I would just screw the dies in and out, relying on lock nuts.
That isn't helpful, nor is any other cynicism about RCBS. There is an actual reason, and someone who actually knows might comment.
Sure...aftermarket, created by RCBS's sales tactic of including the measure.
and they dumped it
Good post. I Agree that RCBS needs to make some changes and put a little more effort into it's CS. That includes a good "finished" design and not all the new presses.Tell you what.......I think a lot of us in THR just are not crazy about jumping on that band wagon just yet. I think the problem with RCBS isn't RCBS ..... it's who owns them. They do the marketing and they SUCK at it.
However, Tilos, I know you'd like to get some more data about a system that is just plain interesting. The 7 station press just is .... interesting and super promising! Vista Outdoors is probably going to finish this system off unless a lot of people start making noise. And most don't care quite that much. I personally have written RCBS....got a token cookie-cutter reply. The engineer I use to email back and forth to, changed his email address after these Pro Chuckers started causing people heartburn.....I wonder why? Poor guy. Not his fault....he wasn't on the new press's development team. So then I wrote Vista Outdoors......NO REPLY....period. I think they have a gag order in place.
Over at AR15.com there are a couple of threads started by real owners. The same concerns rear their ugly heads there too, and its a crying shame for a product with so much potential! However.....those guys have gotten the Pro Chuckers to work fine....they just had to learn the system, and RCBS had to tweak the plastic parts that break....to make it happen less often. Ultimate Reloader has a video on that new part RCBS send you for free....in triplicate sometimes!
Anyway, here's a link to the latest AR15.com Pro Chucker Thread:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/455537_Pro-Chucker-7.html
In that thread is another link to the first thread with experience of other owners.
None of the owners have any desire to take them back....they work as smooth as a baby's butt until they get a primer in wrong and break the slide. BTW, one of them is the guy who got with the aftermarket company Unitek and talked them into making that billet die head in the post above. They are hoping the presses take off. Obviously they see great potential......and d.....m..t there IS! But I'm not going to buy one and perfect it for them......already did that for the Pro 2000 and they dumped it and APS! Once shame on them....twice shame on me.
Thanks for posting the link and other infoTell you what.......I think a lot of us in THR just are not crazy about jumping on that band wagon just yet. I think the problem with RCBS isn't RCBS ..... it's who owns them. They do the marketing and they SUCK at it.
However, Tilos, I know you'd like to get some more data about a system that is just plain interesting. The 7 station press just is .... interesting and super promising! Vista Outdoors is probably going to finish this system off unless a lot of people start making noise. And most don't care quite that much. I personally have written RCBS....got a token cookie-cutter reply. The engineer I use to email back and forth to, changed his email address after these Pro Chuckers started causing people heartburn.....I wonder why? Poor guy. Not his fault....he wasn't on the new press's development team. So then I wrote Vista Outdoors......NO REPLY....period. I think they have a gag order in place.
Over at AR15.com there are a couple of threads started by real owners. The same concerns rear their ugly heads there too, and its a crying shame for a product with so much potential! However.....those guys have gotten the Pro Chuckers to work fine....they just had to learn the system, and RCBS had to tweak the plastic parts that break....to make it happen less often. Ultimate Reloader has a video on that new part RCBS send you for free....in triplicate sometimes!
Anyway, here's a link to the latest AR15.com Pro Chucker Thread:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/455537_Pro-Chucker-7.html
In that thread is another link to the first thread with experience of other owners.
None of the owners have any desire to take them back....they work as smooth as a baby's butt until they get a primer in wrong and break the slide. BTW, one of them is the guy who got with the aftermarket company Unitek and talked them into making that billet die head in the post above. They are hoping the presses take off. Obviously they see great potential......and d.....m..t there IS! But I'm not going to buy one and perfect it for them......already did that for the Pro 2000 and they dumped it and APS! Once shame on them....twice shame on me.
the engineer claimed they tested and tested for over a year and was dang sure of the product
I was looking into purchasing the RCBS 5 station progressive press lately, but I read about the primer strips breaking. For an expensive press, that just is not acceptable. I haven't heard that the problem has been fixed, is that correct?
It's seems they could re-design the way the "primer transfer bar actuator" attached to the press in such a way to pivot out of the way when the primer slide applied too much pressure on it, like replace the lower bolts with a ball detent and let it pivot on the upper bolt(?).
Sorry, I'm not buying that, since they had a practical safety system on both the Piggyback and Ammomaster Auto, that I own and still use.
If something holds the primer slide from moving back the bottom of the rod pops out of a socket in the frame, and NOTHING BREAKS.
Notice too, that the top of that rod is snapped into a fork, that pivots out of position too when the force is too great, nothing breaks, and only needs to be "reset".
It's seems they could re-design the way the "primer transfer bar actuator" attached to the press in such a way to pivot out of the way when the primer slide applied too much pressure on it, like replace the lower bolts with a ball detent and let it pivot on the upper bolt(?).
How about replace that slide stud that breaks with a tightly coiled spring (a small version of a door stop spring) that would flex/deflect when over burdened.
Lots of things would work rather copping out to it was "designed to break".
Then you've never met a Green Machine owner.I have yet to meet a person who told me they couldn't get parts from RCBS.
Thanks for the updateThe portal is only a few months old.....and I don't know of any others.....sorry.
Interesting news today.....I was emailed!! by my engineer friend.....he said change is coming with the die plate/p.m. ..... all I can say right now is it's going to be a very good change. And finally I know the why for the combo product. The P.C. 7 stations are so close to each other that the p.m. needs to be set and left alone, because moving it means moving 2 other dies. But there's another way......coming...