Mossberg Shockwave

I don't believe that this gun is better for HD for most people than a standard 18" gun with a stock. I don't view general home defense as the role for these guns. That isn't to say one couldn't use one for such. For those who don't want to spend a lot, a standard pump can be had for about $200 less. You stated that some may not "even shot (sic) it very much." Based on my experience shooting SBSs (which is an approximation of this gun) I don't know that it would be better for folks that don't shoot much. It also certainly is not an egalitarian weapon and unless a person possesses a certain amount of strength to proficiently uses the push pull technique best suited to these guns.

I'll tell you what though. We could debate it on here for weeks and you could take cute little shots at me the whole time but I don't know that would be very interesting or help either of us be more informed. How about this, we each buy one this weekend (they are pretty dang cheap), shoot a couple hundred rounds to acquaint ourselves with them, we decide on a number of drills that we believe would be representative of things relevant to HD. We shoot those drills on shot timer with the shock wave. We then shoot them with some other shotguns (I have at least 5 that might be interesting to compare). That should give some actual interesting data and then we both could actually have something to base what we are saying on.

My hypothesis is that splits will be universally shorter with the stocked weapons and prove easier to use for most people.

Oh wait, your state overlords will not let you own one so I guess your experience will continue to remain non existent. Although, I suppose you could get a stamp and we could do it in 9 months (that's how long my last stamp took) In the alternative, you could buy an 18" gun and run a bird heads grip and it would give you an idea.

What do you say? It would be fun and would only cost $600 or so for the gun and ammo to do it.

Here is something I recently posted on another forum:

Well, folks, I think that Clint Smith is smoother with his than me. I shot 13 2-3/4" rounds, 5 low brass bird shot, 5-00 buck, and 3 slugs (lost the other 2 somewhere at the range). Not confident enough to go straight to Clint's shooting position, I started from waist level with each type of round, then went to chest height with arms extended, then to eye level with arms extended.

At waist level, the tang safety does not play nice with the web between the thumb and the index finger. It got worse from bird shot to slug. I left some blood on the safety. Watch out for that and maybe hold the gun farther out. From chest and eye levels, no real problems. No recoil to the face/chest or anything.

Generally, I don't think this gun does much for me at 20 yards. I did not find the accuracy to be what I like, and splits (not using a timer) were pretty slow for me. It is not like running a pump gun with a shoulder stock, not that this should be a big surprise for anyone. It was consistent in POI given my technique, but not precisely where I wanted the rounds/pattern to go. I probably could fix the accuracy if I wanted to fool with it. I don't know about the split times.

The mini-shells might add another dimension to the gun, but I would treat that like a whole other caliber, and I am not going to fool with them.

The gun should be going down the road shortly. The local store can't keep them in stock at $399.

YMMV, especially if you do stuff like wrestle steers for a living or ride a buffalo.
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The gun is not a good candidate for the occasional shooter, such as a spouse who hates to go to the range. I bought it for the cabin and for dinking around in the mountains when no big game seasons were open. It's gone now.

Girodin said:

How about this, we each buy one this weekend (they are pretty dang cheap), shoot a couple hundred rounds to acquaint ourselves with them, we decide on a number of drills that we believe would be representative of things relevant to HD.

Oh wait, your state overlords will not let you own one so I guess your experience will continue to remain non existent.

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Well I happen to have a 10 inch 20 gauge O/U that I shoot pretty well at those distances. So I do have some experience shooting a small, non-traditional gripped shotgun at HD distances. Not found it to me much of a challenge to do so. I've been looking to buy one, that is when I ran into some issues pointed out by a LGS. The online sellers are out, and I am not willing to pay a significant premium for one from those that do have them in stock.


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I note Remington has its own version now ...

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-tac-14

Oh, that is nice.

Finally got to handle one the other day. The Mossberg feels good. Quite a bit of discourse in Texas about it's legality. Got a few places saying absolutely, got a few saying no way.

The new Remington throws me a curve ball as I was just about ready to pick up a shockwave, now I got to think about it.


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Hopefully, TSRA will get a ruling from Ken Paxton sooner rather than later. The current legislative session has a fair number of bad and good Bills to deal with and is a much higher priority at the moment!

Legionnaire said:

I note Remington has its own version now ...

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-tac-14

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I sure do like that Remy!!

Totally understandable that Remington threw their hat into the ring for this. Wonder what else we're going to be seeing.

Still have to get mine out shooting. Local place I shoot is a bit flooded at the moment.

I live in Oregon, and it's legal here, I pick up my
Mossberg Shockwave tomorrow, it's a dang nice gun to say the least, $499.00, this gun holds five plus one in the tube...

I'm really interested in something like this to replace my truck/cabin gun. I've been using an old Milsurp 7.62x54r, but a handy shotgun makes more sense answering a door. I'm going to be doing a bit of mild hiking up north, and either the 870 or Mossie would be pretty handy strapped to my pack in one of those Voodoo scabbards.

Cooldill said:

Mine just shipped from Buds, should have it by Monday!

You guys should check out this new video from Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch where he reviews this gun:



He seems to consider it a serious defensive weapon, but stresses technique and safety to employ it effectively. I think this would make a potent RV/camper gun or for people in small houses or in other small buildings. Can't wait to get mine!!

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I was just watching this video earlier today, as mine is currently on its way to my FFL. Everything in the video is common sense, but since common sense hasn't been in stock on the shelves I was glad to see Thunder Ranch release this video. Can't wait to take mine to the range for a test drive.

freyasman said:

I'm confused; under federal law, would this be considered a handgun, a long gun, or simply a "firearm"? Do you need to be 21 and a state resident to purchase this, or can you be 18 and from across the state line?
The questions regarding how it is not a NFA weapon are one thing, but what about all the rest? Anyone know?

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If you go to the product page on Mossberg's website you can see a copy of the ATF letter classifying it. You must be 21 years old to purchase (and thus likely own) this firearm. Regarding classification, it is, in fact, a "firearm" according to GCA regulations, but is not classified as an NFA firearm. Part of the reason is because it was never manufactured with a shoulder stock, which would classify it as a shotgun and make it subject to the NFA regulations. So for those that might consider changing grips, know that modifying the grip will cause it to lose its status as a "firearm" and will once again subject it to NFA regulations.

Additionally, they said that this firearm being concealed "on a person" would subject it, once again, to review as to whether or not it would be considered an NFA firearm. Mine is currently being shipped to my FFL, and though it is legal in my state, I will be further contacting local law enforcement, and possibly my nearest ATF office to determine if having it concealed within a vehicle will alter its classification. Though I'm sure it's perfectly legal to do so in my state, I can't assume that every LEO is aware of this firearm's existence, and I'm sure most of them haven't passed the State BAR. Better to be cautious until I know for sure.

Mossberg Shockwave
Remington Tac-14
Asylum Weapons 14" Gatekeeper.

The only 3 guns that Texans probably can't own that the rest of the free USA can.
(According to numerous lawyers)

Shaking my head in shame at my state...................................



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Acera said:

Mossberg Shockwave
Remington Tac-14
Asylum Weapons 14" Gatekeeper.

The only 3 guns that Texans probably can't own that the rest of the free USA can.
(According to numerous lawyers)

Shaking my head in shame at my state...................................

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I must admit, I was very surprised to see Texas on the list. I thought for sure that Illinois or New York would have made it before Texas...

Dokk said:

I must admit, I was very surprised to see Texas on the list. I thought for sure that Illinois or New York would have made it before Texas...

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Yeah, and I don't consider those places 'free'.

Was ready to plop a bid down on this last week (bidding ended yesterday with no takers), but upon talking to a few more shops and a local LEO friend decided not to.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/644024511

Not shown on Asylum Weapons website, but like the look and the caliber.



Might beat the rap, but would not beat the ride...........................



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double tap......................

Acera said:

Yeah, and I don't consider those places 'free'.

Was ready to plop a bid down on this last week (bidding ended yesterday with no takers), but upon talking to a few more shops and a local LEO friend decided not to.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/644024511

Not shown on Asylum Weapons website, but like the look and the caliber.



Might beat the rap, but would not beat the ride...........................

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Those places definitely aren't free in my book either. Funny story, I was engaged to a lovely lady from Texas for a while and we were considering moving back there. One of the many things that appealed to me about it were some of the attitudes towards guns, and the 2nd amendment in general. So now when I read that this is downright illegal in Texas and Commiforni, I'm still a little perplexed. That relationship ended, luckily, so it's no longer a concern for me. Come to think of it, isn't there a country song about exes in Texas?

The Asylum sure has a nice look. Maybe in a few years Texas will loosen up on that particular policy... If not, you're always welcome to come join us folk in Idaho!

Legionnaire said:

I note Remington has its own version now ...

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-tac-14

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I can't find it on their website, so it may have been a custom NFA I saw somewhere else, but didn't they also have a similar version to this with a shoulder stock on it at some point? I know I saw one with the same barrel length and everything, but I can't remember where.

Dokk, allegedly our AG is getting involved in the issue and will hopefully resolve it favorably soon. The same probably can not be said for California.



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I am kinda interested. A lot of people don't use a shotgun for waterfowl. Home defense is a legitimate market, and a large one. The shotgun is not a weapon for the casual shooter, regardless. Too much recoil, and the added complication compared to a rifle of actually understanding your pattern at a given range. Removing the stock does no favors in this regard, but potentially makes it easier to work around small spaces, and more discreet than a full length stocked shotgun. Pick your poison, but give credit where it is due as well. This weapon would work well in most defensive situations where a shotgun is chosen, and Mossberg found an untapped market in what we can all agree is otherwise often quite congested.

I wouldn't half mind owning one. It wouldn't be the star of my collection or the most used. It's a shotgun, legal classification aside, and that is a pretty small niche itself for me. I don't need a shotgun for much, and what I do need a shotgun for, this could be a dandy.

MTMilitiaman said:

I am kinda interested. A lot of people don't use a shotgun for waterfowl. Home defense is a legitimate market, and a large one. The shotgun is not a weapon for the casual shooter, regardless. Too much recoil, and the added complication compared to a rifle of actually understanding your pattern at a given range. Removing the stock does no favors in this regard, but potentially makes it easier to work around small spaces, and more discreet than a full length stocked shotgun. Pick your poison, but give credit where it is due as well. This weapon would work well in most defensive situations where a shotgun is chosen, and Mossberg found an untapped market in what we can all agree is otherwise often quite congested.

I wouldn't half mind owning one. It wouldn't be the star of my collection or the most used. It's a shotgun, legal classification aside, and that is a pretty small niche itself for me. I don't need a shotgun for much, and what I do need a shotgun for, this could be a dandy.

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I just want to say, and maybe I'm being bit picky, but careful who you call it a shotgun to. We all know it's a shotgun, but for legal purposes, it's a "firearm".

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I just want to say, and maybe I'm being bit picky, but careful who you call it a shotgun to. We all know it's a shotgun, but for legal purposes, it's a "firearm".

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Is what someone calls it ever going to make a difference??? What it legally is, should be the only definition that matters.



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Acera said:

Is what someone calls it ever going to make a difference??? What it legally is, should be the only definition that matters.

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Realistically, probably not, but it helps to avoid the unnecessary attention one might receive by calling it a shotgun since, as a shotgun, it would technically be illegal. Again, we all know it's a shotgun, I'm just extra careful when choosing my words on such matters. Probably a little too careful when it comes down to it.

You seem to be a bit paranoid Dokk, as with most questionable items many of us carry the paperwork with us that proves we are on the correct side of the law.

I see no wrong in calling one a legal shotgun if asked. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best solution. Just because I call something one thing does not make it so.



FYI, if any of you guys want the ability to fire the mini-shells from your Mossberg (Shockwave/Gatekeeper or other), here is a link to the clip that makes it work.
https://www.amazon.com/OPSol-Mini-C...srs=14625334011&ie=UTF8&qid=1494204880&sr=8-1


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Acera said:

You seem to be a bit paranoid Dokk, as with most questionable items many of us carry the paperwork with us that proves we are on the correct side of the law.

I see no wrong in calling one a legal shotgun if asked. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best solution. Just because I call something one thing does not make it so.



FYI, if any of you guys want the ability to fire the mini-shells from your Mossberg (Shockwave/Gatekeeper or other), here is a link to the clip that makes it work.
https://www.amazon.com/OPSol-Mini-C...srs=14625334011&ie=UTF8&qid=1494204880&sr=8-1


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I like the term "careful" haha. You may have a point though.

I'm trying to remember what the capacity is with the clip, it was something like 9 or 10, depending on the mini shells, right?