"There is a concern that these firearms may get into guns shows and into the hands of the wrong..."

female government official from Seattle

That tells you everything.

Roughly 1/3 of the guns sold in local gun shows are from private sellers who rent a table. There is no background check required for them to sell a gun. No different really than placing an ad in the paper and perfectly legal in most states. There are a few states that require background checks for all sales.

The lady was partially right, but I've still seen no evidence that many guys use the "gun show loophole" in order to purchase guns illegally. Although it is certainly possible.

Wait....aren't they already in the wrong hands? They're stolen!

It's a baited trap for those of us fools on sites like this to provide supporting evidence and allow the Left to close the "gun show loophole," and close up non-FTR private P2P firearms transfers.

If a bunch of people will come into this thread with comments like @jmr40's above and state all of the OTHER looser regulation transfer options a thief would have to "legally transfer" a stolen firearm, the left has more ammunition to work against us. Remember - a portion of the country thinks all firearms sales should be even more highly regulated and possession tightly tracked. So when this left wing fool makes a statement like that, and right wingers throw out comments like this, perceiving her comment as absurd - "because here are X, Y, and Z ways those firearms can be transferred even easier than at a gunshow..." they smile and load their pens to write law to take down all of these "unregulated" transfers.

Well, when you have fastandfurious.gov distributors inc providing them to badguys who cares if a few guns stolen from a gun store gets sold at a gun show?

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This is your tax dollars at work in government.

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No, it's the liberal agenda at work.

Standard liberal thinking. Illogical on two count.

One: The main effort is to 'track' guns - which are already off the legal radar - instead of prevent crime or hold criminals reponsible; and

Two: Blaming an inanimate object for human misconduct. Yes, Satan can provoke wrong and immoral behavior, but firearms (or cars or motorcycles) are not possessed by 'evil spirits' who take over the mind of unsuspecting humans.

Archie said:

Two: Blaming an inanimate object for human misconduct. Yes, Satan can provoke wrong and immoral behavior, but firearms (or cars or motorcycles) are not possessed by 'evil spirits' who take over the mind of unsuspecting humans.

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Ha! I'm not sure that's true about all "inanimate" objects, Archie. Years ago, a friend took me golfing for the first and only time in my life. At one point during our hike on the golf course, I saw a young guy fling a golf club way up into a tree after his little white ball didn't go where he wanted it to go. Because that young guy obviously knew a lot more about golfing than I do even now, I've always figured golf clubs must be an exception to the rule about not blaming inanimate objects.

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Ha! I'm not sure that's true about all "inanimate" objects, Archie. Years ago, a friend took me golfing for the first and only time in my life. At one point during our hike on the golf course, I saw a young guy fling a golf club way up into a tree after his little white ball didn't go where he wanted it to go. Because that young guy obviously knew a lot more about golfing than I do even now, I've always figured golf clubs must be an exception to the rule about not blaming inanimate objects.

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I understand what you say, sir.

I regret there is no 'smiley' for "step-mother mouth".

Archie said:

I understand what you say, sir.

I regret there is no 'smiley' for "step-mother mouth".

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I was just joking, man. Just clowning around. Didn't mean to imply anything at all. I humbly apologize if you regret anything about your post, because I liked everything you said. I don't know how to make an "embarrassed" smiley, or I would.

I thought Washington State was already bought and paid for by Bloomberg and his buddies. Don't all firearm transfers in WA require a background check? Even loaning a friend a rifle?

jmr40 said:

Roughly 1/3 of the guns sold in local gun shows are from private sellers who rent a table.

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Really? Even at podunk town shows in VFW halls in Texas it's seldom been as high as 1 in 15.
Now, back in the 90s, the "Jockey Lots"/flea markets always seemed to have some no=questions-asked 25/50¢ on the dollar priced arms, but those got policed up in the 2000s.

I'd have to think that stolen firearms NEVER make it to gun shows. What kind of criminal steals stuff, and the pays for a booth to try to "legally" sell stolen goods publicly like that?

It's the illogical and often materially flawed anti gun think.

If guns are stolen they generally are moved to a location of higher value where then can be sold for good money. Why risk going to a gun show where 1) the BATF is known to prowl - even for their themselves, 2) where theres a chance the owner might be walking around to either purchase or find their firearms 3) where locals who could have knowledge of what was stolen finding them.

Local show is far to close and "hot" an environment to risk. However, traveling to the next metro or out of state does the trick. And the more onerous the gun ownership laws, the more likely hot guns can be sold for a profit.

It's the anti gunners and their laws who create a stolen gun market. They will never admit it, but where you can buy guns legally and carry them, stolen gun sales are seriously affected. Why buy illegal guns when you can buy legally and their is no risk?

Only felons will want them - who can't have guns - goes to anti gun laws create a stolen gun market . . .

Wow, that was about the sparsest Dallas market Hall show I've ever seen.
Not only no crowd to speak of, but, there were bunches of tables that were set up that nobody bothered to set up on. That, and there was an entire section with no tables at all. Yet, they had the North Anne open--for no apparent reason.
Dealers were underwhelmed, too--bunches of them with their tables covered by 1530.

She had a 500$ bet she could work the term "gun show" into her statement to the media.

CapnMac: I'm hoping to visit the Market Hall show for my first time in September. It will be be my first large show, and while enroute to San Antonio.

Comments about low visitor turnout surprised me.
Imagine the publics' concerns about gun ownership just before or after the 2018 Congressional elections: the House and Senate majorities could shift Away from the GOP.

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Wow, that was about the sparsest Dallas market Hall show I've ever seen.
Not only no crowd to speak of, but, there were bunches of tables that were set up that nobody bothered to set up on. That, and there was an entire section with no tables at all. Yet, they had the North Anne open--for no apparent reason.
Dealers were underwhelmed, too--bunches of them with their tables covered by 1530.

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I really wanted to go this weekend. But my back flared up and still having to depend on Depends would have made it difficult. Sounds like I didn't miss much.

acdodd said:

female government official from Seattle

That tells you everything.

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"government official from Seattle" is enough for me.

jmr40 said:

Roughly 1/3 of the guns sold in local gun shows are from private sellers who rent a table. There is no background check required for them to sell a gun. No different really than placing an ad in the paper and perfectly legal in most states. There are a few states that require background checks for all sales.

The lady was partially right, but I've still seen no evidence that many guys use the "gun show loophole" in order to purchase guns illegally. Although it is certainly possible.

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She was 100% WRONG insofar as this state is concerned. Although it's certainly possible stolen guns could eventually end up on the table of a private seller in a state without required UBCs, evidence is pretty clear that most stolen firearms are sold on the street to folks who would not pass an NICS check.

All guns sold in gun shows in the state of Washington require background checks.

At any rate, only those who've lived in Western Washington for at least the past ten years or so can have any kind of real understanding just how dysfunctional are the city of Seattle's and King County's governments ... Ridiculing the Seattle City Council is actually a favorite past-time for many of us up here.

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Still lots of guns, ammo, knives, militaria on display--just not as much as you would have seen last year.

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True--I can't remember any jerky vendors (there was a spicy nut vendor in the back under the overhang).
Not as many blade vendors, though; and only the one knife-making supplier (lingered there, but, I need more knife projects like I need a hole in the head).
I felt bad since I was looking for unicorns.
Saw a Carbine, which was a pig in a poke, even with extra stocks (Korean) and some ammo.
Also saw a decent Inland ($1200), but it was on a table next to a "Genuine Wnichester M1A1 Paratrooper" ($2500)

Wa requires background checks for all sales. Wa gunshows have required background checks for all sales at the show for longer than I can remember, and far longer the the universal check law recently passed.