P10c fatal flaw?

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If something can happen, it will. This is not a problem that should be left up to the end user to fix. I'm sure CZ will address the problem and make it right. As much as I like CZs this is not one I'll be carrying until they fix this potential problem.
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jjones45 said:
...and the gen 2 that I plan on buying in the future...
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So, I would just like to double check for posterity... So far TomJ and I are the only ones to actually pick up a P-10C to see what the issue was, and I'm the only one to actually diagnose it to the point of failure

My guess is that there won't be a Gen 2 any time soon. The fix for this, will most likely be CZ making the rear plate slightly over sized so that it can't slide down if it is inadvertently unlocked. You know, just like S&W did.

To recap:

This can only happen if you displace the striker to the left, which takes actual conscious force from the shooter. You can't wobble the gun hard enough for it to displace on it's own. But again, displacing the striker is not itself what is causing the failure.

This can only happen if after displacing the striker to the left, the slide is allowed to slow travel forward. Normal speed slide travel realigns the striker and allows the slide to close before the cover plate can displace.

I tested this dozens of times last night, even going so far as to dissemble the striker assembly as alluded to in my prior post. The only time I could make the rear plate come lose and induce this failure is if I intentionally displaced the striker and intentionally slow closed the slide. Just like he does in the video. The fact that no one else seems to notice him baby closing the slide makes me wonder if there is any intent at honesty here or just another "OMG, THIS GUN SUCK" circle jerk. Seriously, does no one else see his left hand?

For anyone else out there that actually has a P-10C, lock the slide to the rear. Displace the striker to the left so that it clicks into place. Release the slide with the slide lock. I guarantee that the slide goes into battery and the rear plate is locked in place as it should be.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
My guess is that there won't be a Gen 2 any time soon.
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That’s fine with me, I’m in no need for another striker fired polymer 9mm any time soon anyways. I can wait however long it takes for Cz to introduce a gen2. In the meantime I will be buying at least 2 maybe 3 hammer fired Cz’s (p01, sp01 phantom)
 
PabloJ said:
Well, it looks like fine tradition of gun making has been bested by plastic parts maker from Austria.:eek:
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It's not easy to out Glock a Glock. But I guess the Gen Vs are not without their own problems. The Gen IVs had some bugs to work out as well. Give CZ a moment to respond and make it right. In the meantime, their hammer-fired pistols are, as near as I can tell, adored.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
So, I would just like to double check for posterity... So far TomJ and I are the only ones to actually pick up a P-10C to see what the issue was, and I'm the only one to actually diagnose it to the point of failure

My guess is that there won't be a Gen 2 any time soon. The fix for this, will most likely be CZ making the rear plate slightly over sized so that it can't slide down if it is inadvertently unlocked. You know, just like S&W did.

To recap:

This can only happen if you displace the striker to the left, which takes actual conscious force from the shooter. You can't wobble the gun hard enough for it to displace on it's own. But again, displacing the striker is not itself what is causing the failure.

This can only happen if after displacing the striker to the left, the slide is allowed to slow travel forward. Normal speed slide travel realigns the striker and allows the slide to close before the cover plate can displace.

I tested this dozens of times last night, even going so far as to dissemble the striker assembly as alluded to in my prior post. The only time I could make the rear plate come lose and induce this failure is if I intentionally displaced the striker and intentionally slow closed the slide. Just like he does in the video. The fact that no one else seems to notice him baby closing the slide makes me wonder if there is any intent at honesty here or just another "OMG, THIS GUN SUCK" circle jerk. Seriously, does no one else see his left hand?

For anyone else out there that actually has a P-10C, lock the slide to the rear. Displace the striker to the left so that it clicks into place. Release the slide with the slide lock. I guarantee that the slide goes into battery and the rear plate is locked in place as it should be.
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Thank you for that post. I haven't had this issue and have been too busy to do it myself, will check as soon as I am able.
 
jjones45 said:

Like I’ve stated elsewhere the Cz p10c has a lot of problems finally surfacing since higher numbers are in circulation, but this seems to be the most concerning. If you have one you might want to check this out as several people are now reporting this failure. I guess Cz was improving on perfection in only some areas of the gun. I’m standing by my original statement of waiting for the gen2 p10c. Omaha outdoors is brutally honest and I can appreciate that because just the other day they were advertising the p10c with the black MC finish for $849 and then made a video saying they can’t recommend the p10c until Cz addresses this issue. Omaha outdoors strikes again, who’s next?
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Harasho, I help you. If I were you I would e-mail Smith & Wesson that terrible mistake was made by me in buying pistol from one their competitors and I would like to try one of their wonderful M&P 2.0 pistols made in USA. I would not be surprised if they don't offer you some kind of a rebate. A win-win situation. You would end up with better handgun that cost you less. Let CZ fix your gun sell it and as condolence to Czechs buy some of their excellent beer. Look Smith & Jones goes together like peas in a pod or as you often say as corn on a cob while Czeska Zbrojovka and Jones just doesn't go together. I hope that helps.
 
PabloJ said:
Harasho, I help you. If I were you I would e-mail Smith & Wesson that terrible mistake was made by me in buying pistol from one their competitors and I would like to try one of their wonderful M&P 2.0 pistols made in USA. I would not be surprised if they don't offer you some kind of a rebate. A win-win situation. You would end up with better handgun that cost you less. Let CZ fix your gun sell it and as condolence to Czechs buy some of their excellent beer. Look Smith & Jones goes together like peas in a pod or as you often say as corn on a cob while Czeska Zbrojovka and Jones just doesn't go together. I hope that helps.
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Sound nice, but I don’t want a M&p m2.0 either. I’d much rather a Cz p01 or sp01 phantom. Ppq has me covered in striker compacts
 
The works "Fatal Flaw" sounds like the P-10 will blow up. Sounds like Hype to me to create and issue, maybe he will offer a repair kit. After all he sells them for over $800. I have shot mine extensively and never had the problem he has

Seems to be the only one that I have seen with this problem
 
I have asked and it appears there are a few people who have experienced the sliding slide cover, but not many. One person at CZF did a quick modification to the slide cover that ensured it would always slide up into battery with no difficulty. I've heard one say it only happened when riding the slide home, and a few, like the video above, who had it happen under recoil. From my experience with CZ, I would say a permanent fix for this is probably already in the works.
I would still rather have my P-10C than any Glock - had three of them fail in my hand or in front of me, but that, like all the posters about this failure, is a sample of only those and only me. Glock is a reliable, well built solid pistol, for 99.99999% of owners. Not like when the Hk USPs came out back 15 or so years ago, ouch.
 
PabloJ said:
Harasho, I help you. If I were you I would e-mail Smith & Wesson that terrible mistake was made by me in buying pistol from one their competitors and I would like to try one of their wonderful M&P 2.0 pistols made in USA.
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Uh, you know that S&W is one of the other striker gun companies that has suffered from a back plate that can slide loose and cause the gun to not go into battery... Right?

I mean, we would hope you knew that before making such a hilariously ironic post....
 
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ClickClickD'oh said:
No reports of it on the 2.0, but Shields were dropping them left and right, the .40 versions being the worst offenders.
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I own a Glock did those come off and fell too? Gosh, I feel so bad now. I'm sorry for assuming CZ was not a good reliable gun.
 
Please take your passive aggressive Glock Fanboism somewhere else. We could spend all day listing the things Glock has screwed up. The Gen 4 rollout alone makes this issue look tiny.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
Please take your passive aggressive Glock Fanboism somewhere else. We could spend all day listing the things Glock has screwed up. The Gen 4 rollout alone makes this issue look tiny.
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What Glock Fanboism?:eek: I own one Glock pistol.:uhoh:
 
jjones45 said:

Like I’ve stated elsewhere the Cz p10c has a lot of problems finally surfacing since higher numbers are in circulation, but this seems to be the most concerning. If you have one you might want to check this out as several people are now reporting this failure. I guess Cz was improving on perfection in only some areas of the gun. I’m standing by my original statement of waiting for the gen2 p10c. Omaha outdoors is brutally honest and I can appreciate that because just the other day they were advertising the p10c with the black MC finish for $849 and then made a video saying they can’t recommend the p10c until Cz addresses this issue. Omaha outdoors strikes again, who’s next?
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I am a big CZ fan . I always had their metal hammer-fired pistols. One day a few years ago I took a chance and bought the new CZ P-07 when it was new. It was the new polymer hammer fired gun in 9mm. The frame was "bowing" , the magazines would not eject properly , and the gun would not go into battery al the time. CZ did send me a new gun but it burned me badly on their polymer department.
 
Seems like most new platforms these days are hurried out the door and arrive to the public with hiccups. it's a "keeping up with the Joneses" situation. Yes, it should not happen but it does . Companies need to put out new crap to keep people happy. Especially these days. Everyone is in a rush and needs the latest and greatest.CZ will fix the issue, as would any reputable arms maker when it happens to them. Don't jump down their throats,let them know and they will take care of you.
 
tercel89 said:
I am a big CZ fan . I always had their metal hammer-fired pistols. One day a few years ago I took a chance and bought the new CZ P-07 when it was new. It was the new polymer hammer fired gun in 9mm. The frame was "bowing" , the magazines would not eject properly , and the gun would not go into battery al the time. CZ did send me a new gun but it burned me badly on their polymer department.
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The 2nd generation of P07's fixed that issue, and CZ did acknowledge the problem. I'm not surprised, most new models have teething issues that emerge once they are produced on a large scale. That's a big reason I don't buy new models from any brand, I don't like being a beta tester if I can avoid it.
 
tercel89 said:
I am a big CZ fan . I always had their metal hammer-fired pistols. One day a few years ago I took a chance and bought the new CZ P-07 when it was new. It was the new polymer hammer fired gun in 9mm. The frame was "bowing" , the magazines would not eject properly , and the gun would not go into battery al the time. CZ did send me a new gun but it burned me badly on their polymer department.
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Yeah I remember those issues. A coworker of mine had the bowing issue but his was still reliable and accurate so he just kept his. Still has it as far as I know. The first p07 duty pistols in 40 s&w were also notoriously bad. They were so bad CZ themselves supposedly told people “get the 9mm, we have no reliability problems with those”. I don’t know anyone who owns a p07 in 40 s&w, the one guy I did know of that had one ditched his fast after it proved to be a lemon and hasn’t bought a Cz since, no matter how well he shoots my Cz 75B. As far as Cz’s polymer guns go, the sp01 phantom and p09 have never had any issues that I know of. The p09 is the gen 2 of the duty pistols so they already had the bugs worked out from the first gen. The phantom may just be my favorite full-size polymer 9mm, maybe
 
JONWILL said:
The works "Fatal Flaw" sounds like the P-10 will blow up. Sounds like Hype to me to create and issue, maybe he will offer a repair kit. After all he sells them for over $800. I have shot mine extensively and never had the problem he has

Seems to be the only one that I have seen with this problem
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A gun blowing up is a catastrophic failure and can happen with any gun, mostly because of faulty ammunition. When I think of a fatal flaw I think of a design flaw in the pistol that can cause it to fail or a safety device that doesn’t work as intended. Slide plates sliding down or strikers rotating and keeping the pistol from going into battery would fit that definition. Also a gun that can fire with the manual safety on or isn’t drop safe when designed to be so would qualify. Yet another example would be slides flying off the frame while firing, like the beretta’s did when they were first adopted. This is just my opinion and I’m sure yours will vary. I have complete confidence Cz will make the p10 right, that’s why I’m waiting on the gen 2 lol
 
jjones45 said:
A gun blowing up is a catastrophic failure and can happen with any gun, mostly because of faulty ammunition. When I think of a fatal flaw I think of a design flaw in the pistol that can cause it to fail or a safety device that doesn’t work as intended. Slide plates sliding down or strikers rotating and keeping the pistol from going into battery would fit that definition. Also a gun that can fire with the manual safety on or isn’t drop safe when designed to be so would qualify. Yet another example would be slides flying off the frame while firing, like the beretta’s did when they were first adopted. This is just my opinion and I’m sure yours will vary. I have complete confidence Cz will make the p10 right, that’s why I’m waiting on the gen 2 lol
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Got my P-10C out. The only way I could duplicate was to push the striker to the left with my finger(as shown in the video) . You literally have to force it over, there is a click when you do it. The only way it would malfunction the same is if I rode the slide home, (and I mean slow) as stated by another poster. When I grabbed and racked the slide(after pushing the striker over to the left)as I normally load it the "problem" never happened(striker centered itself when I pulled and released the slide). He stated it happened in the first 25 rounds(Didn't happen when he was shooting it.) and it there are others it is happening to. No sign of the "problem" when he is shooting. There is also no other video of the "problem" from others who are shooting it
Made up problem IMHO.
 
I did the same as Jonwill just now, with the same results. I also tried pushing the slide cover down, but it barely moves, certainly not enough to cause a problem. I've also talked to CZ twice now. They told me to send it in if I have a problem, but given that I've had no issues I'm not ready to do so. I should have a chance to go to the range this weekend. If it doesn't malfunction with a few hundred additional rounds through it I'm not going to concern myself with this, as at that point I'll have had about 1000 trouble free rounds through it. I sow something on the Glocktalk website, where it's been mentioned that there was an issue with early production which has been fixed. The link is below.

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/omaha-outdoors-cz-p10c-review-questions-reliability.1678501/
 
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