Sometimes we just don't have good reasons

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Was discussing my affinity for the 7x57 and 7mm-08 as a hunting calibers with a friend the other night and another good friend of mine chimed in the conversation to say he hated the 7mm-08. His reason? He said he saw "too many" deer wounded with one several years ago. So I started asking him the details and it turns out that he took a neck shot on a doe at 50 yards that resulted in an 18-hour tracking job. Said that several others at that same hunt also wounded and lost deer using the 7mm-08.

But (get this) he goes on to tell us that he's a die-hard .243 fan for deer and also likes the .308. :rofl:

I was like, so you are a fan of the caliber on either side of the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 is only good for wounding deer? o_O I told him that shot placement is a lot more important than caliber, especially on a doe at 50 yards, but wasn't hearing any of it.

At that point he started to get a bit upset so I just let it go.

Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?
 
Me!
I got a few calibers i just dislike, had a thread about it a while ago. It dosent mean other people cant like them.

Anyway our experiences with things color our perception, no matter the circumstances. That neck shot was most likely a very poor hit, and or the bullet didnt expand at all (which suggest poor selection). Dosent matter, your buddy only remembers the crappy rest of the day.

Honestly ive found it best to let them express themselves, and not argue beyond saying that my own experience differs.
 
marksman13 said:
Me. I hate any and all com-bloc chamberings and the rifles that fire them. Just seems un-American to own any of them.
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I don't judge, bro, one of the great things about America is you can hate whatever you want. But I will make my argument for Com-bloc cartridges and guns.
1) They are super fun, cheap to shoot, tough and reliable.
2) Leon Nagant (of the Mosin Nagant rifle and Nagant revolver) was actually Belgian. The 7.62x54 cartridge he used for the rifle is based on the French 8mm Level round. Both those guns were developed for the Czar, the commies just co-opted it later.
3)The Makarov is a copy of the Walther PPK.......so kinda pre-Nazi German.
4)You can get AKs chambered for .223 and .308. In fact, there are several AKs that are %100 US made now.
5)Some Mosin Nagant rifles were made by Remington and Westinghouse.
Do what you want, but I think you are missing out on some great guns and cartridges. Just saying.....:)
 
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I'll generally take American calibers given a choice. British and other free/allied country calibers second. Not a huge fan of communist, Japanese, other Asian, or old continental European calibers. I've got a 6.5x55, but that's about it. Never gets shot.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
I don't judge, bro, one of the great things about America is you can hate whatever you want. But I will make my argument for Com-bloc cartridges and guns.
1) They are super fun, cheap to shoot, tough and reliable.
2) Leon Nagant (of the Mosin Nagant rifle and Nagant revolver) was actually Belgian. The 7.62x54 cartridge he used for the rifle is based on the French 8mm Level round. Both those guns were developed for the Czar, the commies just co-opted it later.
3)The Makarov is a copy of the Walther PPK.......so kinda pre-Nazi German.
4)You can get AKs chambered for .223 and .308. In fact, there are several AKs that are %100 US made now.
5)Some Mosin Nagant rifles were made by Remington and Westinghouse.
Do what you want, but I think you missing out on some great guns and cartridges. Just saying.....:)
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See LoonWulf's advice above. LOL I hear what you're saying though. It's hard not to bring up facts when people have these ideas!
 
Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?[/QUOTE] Yeah said:
I have several of my own I just don't like for silly reason such as they are too overbore, the name is stupid, or they look funny.
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I used to work with a guy that had the audacity to call his 25-06 "my aught-six." That's just not right! An "aught-six" is a 30-06 - not one of its illegitimate offspring!:D
Just kidding around someguy2800. I used to give that guy a bad time about not knowing what caliber rifle he had, but the fact is, that old guy used that "aught-six" of his to kill everything from antelope to elk. And he did it very well.:)
 
Over my long life span I've run into a lot of people that don't have a valid reason for not liking many things including firearms calibers. I gave up arguing with them long ago and just use what I want to use, whatever it is, and let them do as they wish. You aren't going to change their mind and life is too short to waste your breath trying to.
 
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Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?
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I believe it’s perfectly ok to not like a cartridge - for the simple fact you just don’t like it. I feel that way about a number of cartridges, 7.62x39, 25-06 and .308 top the list. In the example given, there was no factual basis for not liking the 7mm-08 cuz what happened to him could just as easily have happened if he were using his .243. After selling firearms for a couple of years I’ve heard so many bogus reasons for liking or not liking a cartridge or a rifle brand that nothing surprises me anymore. One of my favorites was a guy I waited on who wanted a Kimber or Tikka in a .338 WinMag. When I asked him why he wanted that cartridge in such a light rifle, his response was that he had a .338 WinMag in a really heavy rifle, a Weatherby Mark V, and he wanted a light rifle because the recoil in the Weatherby kicked the snot out out of him.
 
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his response was that he had a .338 WinMag in a really heavy rifle, a Weatherby Mark V, and he wanted a light rifle because the recoil in the Weatherby kicked the snot out out of him.
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More evidence for my theory that the .338WM is the wrong answer no matter what the question is. Unless the question is 'What caliber takes the same game as a .264WM and beats you to death doing it?" of course :D
 
I don’t hate any cartridges, but there are some I have no interest in.

Those that usually come in steel cases packed in giant sardine cans

And

The .270 Winchester. I realize it’s been a very popular for a long time. Kind of like the Toyota Camry of cartridges. I understand why folks like it, but not for me
 
I don't like .308 because I'm a .30-06 guy. And as a .30-06 guy, I have to look at all these cool-tactical-fancy-neat rifle options in .308 with envy because "short action only".

Besides, the .308 offspring in .243 and 7-08 are vastly superior to their parent cartridge based on two facts: 1. Because reasons 2. Due to the way they are.

It's science.
 
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Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?
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Yes, have run into many folks that will just rip a specific cartridge apart. More times then not it's the heavy bullet/fast twist fans ripping apart a cartridge that doesn't have heavy bullets and a fast twist available.

Saw one the other day in the thread "The .25-06". Someone said the .25-06 has more recoil then the .270 or .30-06. Usually I chuckle and keep reading messages. And sometimes I'll read 3 or 4 more messages and burst out laughing.

Some people just hate a cartridge for no reason. You can't argue with them, it's senseless. Life is to short, I'd rather just enjoy what I have.
 
I carried a .357 in combat back in the day when you could still do that. It worked a heck of a lot better than the M2 Carbine I was issued, but I don't have enough hearing left nowadays to carry a .357 in a situation where I might have to shoot without hearing protection. I carry a .45 Auto these days.
 
doubleh said:
Over my long life span I've run into a lot of people that don't have a valid reason for not liking many things including firearms calibers. I gave up arguing with them long ago and just use what I want to use, whatever it is, and let them do as they wish. You aren't going to change their mind and life is too short to waste your breath trying to.
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I'll admit I don't have any good reasons for hating Fords and Glocks.

Ive got reasons....they just aren't good ones. ;):neener:
 
Everything from 260 to 338 WM will kill anything in the lower 48 and the difference between even those extremes is less than most people think. When someone tries argue that a 7-08 is inferior to 308, or 270 vs 30-06 etc. they simply don't understand how things work.

We choose certain cartridges to be our favorites sometimes for irrational reasons, but mostly for nostalgia. Nothing wrong with that. I tend to be very practical and am not a fan of certain cartridges, Not that they don't work just fine.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
I don't judge, bro, one of the great things about America is you can hate whatever you want. But I will make my argument for Com-bloc cartridges and guns.
1) They are super fun, cheap to shoot, tough and reliable.
2) Leon Nagant (of the Mosin Nagant rifle and Nagant revolver) was actually Belgian. The 7.62x54 cartridge he used for the rifle is based on the French 8mm Level round. Both those guns were developed for the Czar, the commies just co-opted it later.
3)The Makarov is a copy of the Walther PPK.......so kinda pre-Nazi German.
4)You can get AKs chambered for .223 and .308. In fact, there are several AKs that are %100 US made now.
5)Some Mosin Nagant rifles were made by Remington and Westinghouse.
Do what you want, but I think you are missing out on some great guns and cartridges. Just saying.....:)
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Tried em...hate em. LOL
 
Llama Bob said:
Not a huge fan of communist, Japanese, other Asian, or old continental European calibers.
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I love my Ruger Model 77 MKII rifle chambered in an "old continental European" cartridge, the 7x64 Brenneke-a very close cartridge to the .280 Remington in case configuration, caliber, bullet selections and ballistics. Mine has proven to be very accurate with factory ammunition. It continues to be a favorite of the more than a few bolt-action rifles I still own.
 
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