Asked movie theater security whether he "carries".

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By the way, you should go see "Seven Days in Entebbe".

Anyway, It surprises me that he is allowed to carry.
He mentioned that it is not allowed by the main local theater chain, which I already knew.

I reminded him that the movie massacre near Denver was done in a theater which also doesn't allow it. We make our own personal decisions.
 
I reminded him that the movie massacre near Denver was done in a theater which also doesn't allow it. We make our own personal decisions.

There was NOTHING that legally prevented a patron from being armed at the Aurora Century Theater. In Colorado, stupid little "no weapons" signs are just policy, and carry no more legal weight than "no bare feet". If James Holmes would have tried the 7:00 pm Saturday showing instead of the premiere midnight Thursday showing, the result would have been likely very different.
 
The Warren Movie Theaters here prohibit OPEN carry but allows CONCEAL carry. Due to the hot summers in Kansas it is cooler to wear a light weight shirt making it necessary to carry a smaller gun than my usual 92FS. I have a SIG P239 with night sights designated as my movie theater gun.
 
I always carry to the theater. (CCW, though OC is legal here) If I worked there, and it weren't expressly forbidden by the company, I certainly would. In WI, "No guns" signs must follow state regs, or they are merely advisory. There is a restaurant chain I frequent that has one of the 'advisory' signs at the door, I CCW there all the time.
 
Why?

Local Theater here took down their "No Guns Allowed" sign. Even before then, all they could do is to ask you to leave if they outted you.

Yeah, but if they ask an employee to leave, it's a little harder on the guy than if they ask a customer to leave.
 
By the way, you should go see "Seven Days in Entebbe".

Anyway, It surprises me that he is allowed to carry.
He mentioned that it is not allowed by the main local theater chain, which I already knew.

I reminded him that the movie massacre near Denver was done in a theater which also doesn't allow it. We make our own personal decisions.
So was he CCW or OC? His state may allow armed security officers but i cant think of any instance when they would allow CC. If the guy is that scared he has to CCW then I would find a different line of work or take the state certification and carry legally through the company.
 
In my state, if there is the universal "no guns" sign on the door, you're breaking the law by carrying in there. However, the law says every entrance must have a visible sign. What I do is look for a door without the sign. A sheriff's deputy gave me that tip.
 
In my state, if there is the universal "no guns" sign on the door, you're breaking the law by carrying in there. However, the law says every entrance must have a visible sign. What I do is look for a door without the sign. A sheriff's deputy gave me that tip.

I try to avoid businesses that have no gun signs. I figure if they don't value my safety they don't need my money.

If I must go to one, I then have to decide if I wish to follow their sign, or not. My understanding is that in Virginia I'm not breaking the law unless it's a place prohibited by law. Simply that a business can use it as cause to ask me to leave. Again, though, my choice is to avoid the business.
 
So many things here...

First off: if I'm on the job and not obviously armed and someone asks me if I have got a gun, you are getting the stink eye and a snarky answer. You are not getting the truth. My usual reply is. "They don't trust me with a gun, but I have a vicious squeaky chicken" Trust me, if you are asking me if I'm strapped, you've gone straight to the top of the suspicious person list.

Second: Yes, many states do allow discretely armed security. There's about a 90% chance that if I'm wearing a blazer, i'm wearing a gun under it. It's under the blazer so that you don't know about it, and I'm not going to tell you about it.

Third: there's no reason to remind a guy on the job that bad juju happened at a similar work site. Trust me, he knows already. I'm pretty sure he's not only heard about it a thousand times from his family, co-workers and customers, but he's probably had a couple of memos and training circulars from the home office too. I'm sure that management came up with a half bake "active shooter" plan which has little more value than as a page stuffer in the operations manual so they can show their insurance company they "have a plan".

Fourth: Some low level security guy gets to do what the boss says, and the boss says to do what the client says. If the client says no guns, then the guards options are don't wear a gun and collect a paycheck, or no job. It turns out that outside of gun forums, most people consider the paycheck to be more important than always having a gun on them.

Fifth: Movie theaters are actually pretty low threat environments outside of the occasional drunk and disorderly. Most of them don't need armed security... and the ones that do, well, you should probably think about frequenting other movie theaters. And yes, yes I know, "But Click, so and so list of theaters that have off duty police" There's a world of difference between off duty police and security. People see police officers and we instinctual associate with law enforcement and authority. People see security, and they associate it with Paul Blart. Right or wrong, that's the way it goes. You get a lot more bang for your buck with off duty police, even if they are just vastly overpaid MPAA enforcers who do nothing all night.

Sixth: Armed security is expensive. Management isn't going to spot for the extra cost of hiring armed security when they can get an unarmed guard for several dollars an hour less. Despite movies being cash cows, movie theaters aren't. The reason why popcorn and a coke costs a billion dollars at a theater is because that's how they make their money. They make almost nothing off the ticket sales. The profit margins are very slim and they aren't going to spend unnecessary money on a guy who stands around.



TLDR version: Most movie theater security won't have guns, yes they know there was a mass shooting at a theater and most guys are just doing it for a paycheck.
 
When I cared enough about going to see movies in theaters, most "security" guards were lucky to have a whistle. Good luck hearing that over movies and gun fire. Last movie I went to see was about a month after Aurora and there was an on duty police officer doing bag checks and pat searches. I was double carrying. A quick look at my carry permit and Vet ID, he let me in with both firearms.
 
It's a theater in west TN.

Security guards at some local businesses can not carry, therefore it surprises me that some can carry in jobs other than inside banks.

** His comment to me about the theater policy gave me the impression that he assumes that No Patrons carry, simply due to the policy.

Even with a Sig P229 (.40) at 8:30 in a Crossbreed/Kydex IWB under a single sport shirt, nobody ever seems to notice, but I try to avoid bending fwd. or to the right near other people.

horsemen61: I won't comment on where I carry. Let your imagine run wild.
 
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It's been years since I've been to any movie theater. Nothing's been made in the last decade that I couldn't wait a few months and watch on Amazon or Netflix in the comfort of my home for a fraction of the price.

I prefer to not put myself in small public confined spaces like that but if I were to venture out to see a movie I'd be carrying my regular get up. As far as I know no theaters around here have legally enforcible signs.
 
I'll admit I really don't look for a "No Weapons" sign, but living in UT and ID and visiting WY, MT and CO quite often for the past, approx. 10 years, I have never seen one and that includes movie theaters (at least in UT/ID), stores, etc. Only state that allows the force of law for a no weapons sign that I visit is WY. And I have never seen one in any place I have stopped.
 
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Asked movie theater security whether he "carries".
That @SUBJ made me realize that I haven't been in a cinema for about 3 decades, since the latter half of the '80s. Whoa.

Must say, 'don't miss it ... obviously. :)

That said, as with every other public business that I enter, I do not carefully scan the entrance areas for No Guns signage, so ... <shrug>

"concealed"
 
My wife and I go to the cinema about three or four times a year. I have noticed that the security in the cinema in the West Valley Plaza (West Valley, UT) are openly carrying. That being said, no one has complained about my Glock 42 (of course, they probably didn't notice it).
 
Security guards at some Memphis businesses can not carry, therefore it surprises me that some can carry in jobs other than inside banks.

You do realize that a guard being armed or not is almost entirely at the discretion of the client, not a matter of law.

Most business that employee security don't actually want security. Their insurance company says that they need it. So, they purchase the cheapest security option they can find, unarmed basic guards. Most of the places that use armed security do so for one of two reasons: 1) Unarmed companies took one look at them and said "NOPE", and only armed companies would touch them. Crack-den apartment complexes, metal scrap yards and the like fit in this category. -or- 2) Status symbol guards. Most of our armed staff wastes away their day in high end housing or corporate offices service as police look-a-likes.

Banks are actually a small and shrinking portion of the industry.
 
My wife and I go to the cinema about three or four times a year. I have noticed that the security in the cinema in the West Valley Plaza (West Valley, UT) are openly carrying. That being said, no one has complained about my Glock 42 (of course, they probably didn't notice it).

You better be packin' anywhere near that mall in WVC.
 
So many things here...

First off: if I'm on the job and not obviously armed and someone asks me if I have got a gun, you are getting the stink eye and a snarky answer. You are not getting the truth. My usual reply is. "They don't trust me with a gun, but I have a vicious squeaky chicken" Trust me, if you are asking me if I'm strapped, you've gone straight to the top of the suspicious person list.

Second: Yes, many states do allow discretely armed security. There's about a 90% chance that if I'm wearing a blazer, i'm wearing a gun under it. It's under the blazer so that you don't know about it, and I'm not going to tell you about it.

Third: there's no reason to remind a guy on the job that bad juju happened at a similar work site. Trust me, he knows already. I'm pretty sure he's not only heard about it a thousand times from his family, co-workers and customers, but he's probably had a couple of memos and training circulars from the home office too. I'm sure that management came up with a half bake "active shooter" plan which has little more value than as a page stuffer in the operations manual so they can show their insurance company they "have a plan".

Fourth: Some low level security guy gets to do what the boss says, and the boss says to do what the client says. If the client says no guns, then the guards options are don't wear a gun and collect a paycheck, or no job. It turns out that outside of gun forums, most people consider the paycheck to be more important than always having a gun on them.

Fifth: Movie theaters are actually pretty low threat environments outside of the occasional drunk and disorderly. Most of them don't need armed security... and the ones that do, well, you should probably think about frequenting other movie theaters. And yes, yes I know, "But Click, so and so list of theaters that have off duty police" There's a world of difference between off duty police and security. People see police officers and we instinctual associate with law enforcement and authority. People see security, and they associate it with Paul Blart. Right or wrong, that's the way it goes. You get a lot more bang for your buck with off duty police, even if they are just vastly overpaid MPAA enforcers who do nothing all night.

Sixth: Armed security is expensive. Management isn't going to spot for the extra cost of hiring armed security when they can get an unarmed guard for several dollars an hour less. Despite movies being cash cows, movie theaters aren't. The reason why popcorn and a coke costs a billion dollars at a theater is because that's how they make their money. They make almost nothing off the ticket sales. The profit margins are very slim and they aren't going to spend unnecessary money on a guy who stands around.



TLDR version: Most movie theater security won't have guns, yes they know there was a mass shooting at a theater and most guys are just doing it for a paycheck.

Amen.
 
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That was very careless of me to mention where it was, just deleted it.

But I doubt that the guard would have admitted 'carrying' to a an unknown customer if the employer didn't allow it. I can't remember whether his holster was visible among his various external gear.
 
Where I live there are only two movie theaters, and both are owned by the same company that bans guns in all of their locations. In my state, such signs have the force of law and you could be arrested if stopped and armed in such a location. However, I know for a fact that licensed concealed carriers do go to these theaters with their concealed firearm, feeling the risk of being in a closed in theater with no means of defense is a bigger risk than being accidentally spotted carrying, the theater calling the police, the police actually responding while you are still in the theater, and then the police arresting you. The old saying of "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6" still applies. Just saying.
 
And while sitting in the movie theater I saw no obvious exits in the front. Maybe becoming a modern 'gourmet theater' to compete against Netflix changed the building's design?

Saw no exit signs, in typical red or any other color. Maybe they were just behind me at 8:00 and 4:00, sitting past half way down and weren't obvious. The only normal access seemed to be the center aisle and the right edge, hidden walkway.
 
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