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sonyhoppes said:
Even if offended, people don't have a "deeply ingrained fear" of a woman wearing pants, but a great many DO have that fear when it comes to guns in the hands of "ordinary joes/janes".

Poppycock. In all my experiences open or concealed carry I have never seen or heard of anyone reacting with a ‘deeply ingrained fear’. I have watched a female friend, who is an experienced and highly respected surgeon, literally leap behind me when she saw a slug in her potted plant. She reacted similarly to a large spider. Despite being a very liberal southern California transplant, who dislikes guns and thinks they should be outlawed, who also happens to dislike my carry of a firearm, she has never reacted in such a manner towards it.

I have never met or heard of any person with a bona fide phobia towards the view of a firearm, and this includes people who have been shot, either accidentally or on purpose. Yes, people can be nervous around many things, but you shouldn’t try to prop up a weak argument with hyperbole, and that’s exactly what the phrase ‘deeply ingrained fear’ is being used for here.

As to being nervous around an armed person, the big answer is, “So what?” People were nervous when MLK exercised his right to free speech. People were nervous enough after September 11th to burn down mosques in an attempt to prevent another’s exercise of their freedom of religion. Others are nervous when Larry Flynt published adult magazines (me included). Every day in America overworked police officers cut corners and violate the privacy rights of citizens. But here’s the quote you can remember: The peaceable exercise of one person’s rights should never be suppressed due to the unreasonable sensibilities of another.
 
Headless said:
It is his right to carry a firearm for the purpose of self defense, and it is protected by our constitution.

Uh, yeah. Tell that to the entire populace of a couple of states...and to the residents of NYC, Chicago, DC... Heck, look at ANY infringement/restriction concerning firearms including even needing a CCW permit in the first place. The Constitution is NOT this "magical" talisman you think it is. JerryM was simply stating that if enough people, right or wrong, get "upset" about OC, it CAN be legislated away if there's enough political pressure behind the movement.
 
It happens


Fullerton, CA (WLTX) - Two people were taken to the hospital in California after they were stabbed during a horror movie, police say.

KCBS-TV reports the stabbing took place at an AMC Theater in Fullerton, California about 7:30 p.m. Monday.

The victims were apparently sitting in different parts of the theater while watching "The Signal," a new horror movie. The movie is about a transmission that causes people to go mad and kill others.

The station says one of the victims was stabbed in the arm, while the other was stabbed in the arm and lung. Both are expected to recover. The victims did not know each other or the suspect.

The suspect is still at-large. Authorities say he may be the same man who was kicked out of the same theater earlier in the day. That person was reportedly drunk and disruptive.
 
SonyHoppes said:
Uh, yeah. Tell that to the entire populace of a couple of states...and to the residents of NYC, Chicago, DC... Heck, look at ANY infringement/restriction concerning firearms including even needing a CCW permit in the first place. The Constitution is NOT this "magical" talisman you think it is. JerryM was simply stating that if enough people, right or wrong, get "upset" about OC, it CAN be legislated away if there's enough political pressure behind the movement.
Nice, Sony - I suppose that any time someone attempts to rob us of our rights we should just give up once they succeed in any particular state :rolleyes: I can't believe i'm reading this. Hey, california makes a standard AR-15 illegal, i guess we should all turn our in for destruction because CA outlawed it. MA requires magazines of 10 round capacity or less...i suppose i should just destroy my 30 round 9mm magazines now! Nevermind that I don't live in either of those places and it's legal for me to own both here. Perhaps you should go and live in the UK - they gave up their guns nice and easy and i'm sure you'd fit in with your current attitude. Your logic is inherently flawed; if we cannot practice OC for fear of it being made illegal, then how exactly is it any different than not being able to practice OC because it IS illegal? OC is not illegal in his state; he should be allowed to do so any time without being harrassed by the police. How anyone who claims to believe in our right to bear arms could argue with this concept of not being harrassed for doing something that is legal is beyond my ability to comprehend. The fact that 'the public' can be so terrified of seeing a holstered weapon on somebody is evidence to the fact that people not O/Cing is a bad thing; if this was a more common sight - as it should be, since it is not illegal - people wouldn't remark on it nor would there be any excuse for police to harrass someone about it. Case in point: Arizona.
 
Where the hell did I ever say to give up? :rolleyes: We may not like it, but it is what it is and I commend any and everyone in those areas working to get their rights restored. All I was saying was that the Constitution can in fact be overridden and we have real proof of this. Not just there, but EVERYWHERE there's unreasonable restrictions on firearm ownership. For example, in my state I HAVE to have the state permit to carry pistols and revolvers to even have a handgun in my car to go to the range. Doesn't matter if it unloaded, detail stripped, etc. If I get caught without a valid permit, it's a class D felony for illegal transportation of a handgun. :fire: I'd like to believe we're all on the same side, but everyone is going to feel/interpret things differently for themselves. That's just the way it works.
 
As far as causing fear and concern and the moral obligation not to offend:

Here are two scenarios:

You are walking in the mall, a well dressed man and his young daughter are walking hand in hand through the place on a Saturday morning. The sunshine coming through the skylights reflects slightly off the handle of the .40 SW on his hip in the grain leather holster.

You are leaving the theater and walking through the parking lot toward your car, there is a group of young males standing around your car and the one next to it that has loud music playing. They are being boisterous and some are quarrelling about what they should do for fun that night.

Now I know which situation scares me more. So do young males have a moral obligation to not hang out together or be noisy?
 
JerryM said:
For liberty to work there must be a balance between rights and responsibilities. Use good judgment and consideration for others instead if "in your face" and in the long term you will be much better off.

Jerry, I couldn't disagree more, all that is good in this nation is built on "in your face".

John Adams said:
"Be not intimidated...
nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties
by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as they are often used, are but three different names
for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
 
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It may be worth it to hire a lawyer- a little money spent now might save you grief later.

Henry Bowman posted

THIS IS AN ENORMOUS UNDERSTATEMENT! (Yes, I intend to be yelling.)

Ten years from now, I guarantee that you will be very glad you spent whatever was necessary to win this case (or will wish you had).

Listen up, do what Henry says. I speak from first hand experience here.
Get the best attorney your money can buy. Do it now!
 
How's that follow? Cops didn't see you carrying at all, and you weren't carrying concealed, but openly, so a charge of false concealment wouldn't hold (as CCW is apparently legal down there - though I say 'apparently', because it's not cut and dry).

Though, the cops might be trying to make certain laws they don't like (citizen open carry) less publicly accepted by arresting people for it, too.

Only guess I have is that it comes down to either something to do with your gun being loaded/in the wrong place in your vehicle, or a trumped up, false charge, and a bunch of cops trying to keep their arrests up for the month/keep busy/justify their existence.

If you're not going to pay for a lawyer, make damn well sure you know your stuff well enough to represent yourself (ie read, read, read!) so you can assist your public lawyer; public defenders are, apparently (no personal experience), not too skilled at things like this.

Sorry to hear the system is gettin' you down.
 
This thread so irritated me last night that I actually discussed it with a friend who is a moderator on another website. He said he sees this all the time and it never ceases to amaze him that we are our own worst enemy. As I continued to read the long and eloquent posts since my own, I saw one that profoundly struck me and it was as simple as this...

Wow, we're in trouble.

Thank you, jakemccoy, for summing it up quite succinctly. If there are those among us, the pro-gun, that think that RKBA means giving up your right of self defense so people aren't nervous, then we are in trouble.
 
Thank you, jakemccoy, for summing it up quite succinctly. If there are those among us, the pro-gun, that think that RKBA means giving up your right of self defense so people aren't nervous, then we are in trouble.
Yep.

Also (OT):
People,
Please don't take Jerry's attitude and beliefs to be a representation of all Christianity. Rather, read the Bible for yourself so that you may have a better understanding. His doctrinal beliefs are not a representation of all. That is why there are different denominations.
 
Plain and simple, if you don't assert your rights, you won't keep them. The OP was just doing something lawful and a bunch of reactionaries did what they do best.
More people should open carry.
 
See my Sig Quote.

All RKBA Groups should adopt such a mindset if we want RKBA to be preserved.

Otherwise, our goose is cooked.
 
I had my first day in court on Monday; I waited for two hours to find out that no one had my file, and I had to speak with five or six people to find it. After all of that I pled not guilty. I guess the DA's office decided not to drop it, which makes no sense to me considering the police report explicitly states that the firearm was perfectly visible to the public. Oh well, I won't go to court again until June; I'll be sure to update everyone then.
 
Sounds like they know that open carry is legal, and that is why they charged you with the concealed charge.
I hope you have a good lawyer, because it doesn't sound like these folks are interested in following the law.
 
Go to court, tell the Judge only what he asks, don't offer any information or story, or what you thought. You should be okay as long as you are telling the truth

They have already demonstrated that they have no interest in doing the right thing. They have apparently falsified charges already.
This to me is not good advice, though I am sure it is well intentioned.
 
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Go to court, tell the Judge only what he asks, don't offer any information or story, or what you thought. You should be okay as long as you are telling the truth.

Yea,right, I know two guys who went to prison for 5 and 7 years who thought the same thing. Heck my brother spent time in jail waiting on a court date for a "carrying a weapon" charge in Ft. Smith, AR. Had no money for bail, no money for a lawyer, and the city would not appoint him one because he "made too much money" the year before, never mind he was unempolyed for six months.

The Prosecuting Attorney wanted to make a name for himself by "getting X amount of guns off the street." However the arresting officer told the truth about the arrest without embelishment and the judge dismissed the carrying a weapon charge saying he met resonable doubt, he even had my brother's pistol retuned within an hour. And that was without a lawyer, since he could not afford one. Sometimes the legal system works like it should
 
Sheesh! Contact Louisiana Carry for Pete's sake! No, not Pete's, YOURS! The man is trying to help you and you seem to be taking a somewhat cavalier attitude whilst standing in deep kimchi.

Jerry & Sony, do not derail this thread. This young man needs our support, not condemnation. If you wish to discuss the merits of open carry feel free to start a new thread. If you're feeling really frisky I look forward to seeing your new thread on www.opencarry.org We can then have a rousing debate on why a pistol on the policeman's hip sooths the milling humans but one on a commoner threatens stampede. Or does it?

Good luck Comfortador!
 
After all of that I pled not guilty. I guess the DA's office decided not to drop it, which makes no sense to me considering the police report explicitly states that the firearm was perfectly visible to the public.

The fact that the DA didn't dismiss the case makes me wonder if we have the whole story. What exactly transpired between you and the manager?

Did you have a lawyer at the arraignment?

Mike
 
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